Canon EOS 7D Mark II Not Coming? [CR1]

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If Nikon comes up with a successor to the D300(s) a 7D MkII is almost a must. If Nikon doesn’t come up with a successor, a 7D MkII could give Canon even more market share. On the other hand, the next generation APS-C might lose the mirror and the ovf if they figured out a way to get the AF on par with this generations AF. If so, a new name seems logical.

 

[jrista]

Back in February of this year I read an interview that was going around and came to the conclusion that as there was to be a 70D from Canon eventually but no 7Dll. The future of the semi pro camera would be FF. I believe that is still so.

IT might cost more than $1.500.00 but it will still be FF. I don't think Canon would want to sell a camera that would kill 5D mark lll sales.

That was the same Maeda rumor we were discussing earlier. It was the INTERVIEWER who made the conclusion that Canon would stop selling APS-C at the pro level. Maeda himself said that they still saw continued demand for the semi-pro APS-C segment, AS WELL AS increased demand for semi-pro FF. Those two statements are NOT mutually exclusive, and my take from Maeda's own comments was that there was continued demand for both, and that they would continue to supply both.

 

[Don Haines]

Sales of the 70D are slower than expected,

Yes.... if you look at the Amazon Sales ratings....

The 70D with a lens is only number 4 DSLR in sales
The 70D bare body is only #7
The T31 in various packages are #1 and #2 and #19
The 60D in various packages are #9, #10 and #39
The T5i is #18, #22, #23,
The 7D is #38

Obviously APSC is DEAD! and FF will win the sales competition...
< HUGE SARCASM TAG>

The 6D is #11 an #16
The 5D3 is #14 and #21
The 1DX does not show up in the top 100....

It makes perfect sense that Canon will drop a top selling camera to protect one that does not it into the top 100... NOT!!!

So lets look at "digital camera" sales:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Digital-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/281052/

So looking at that, where do you invest in digital camera R&D?

I'm amazed that the T3i is still at the top of the list.... while the 5D3 shows up at #73....

So to answer your question, I'd invest in whatever can turn a profit....

 

[jrista]

Sales of the 70D are slower than expected,

Yes.... if you look at the Amazon Sales ratings....

The 70D with a lens is only number 4 DSLR in sales
The 70D bare body is only #7
The T31 in various packages are #1 and #2 and #19
The 60D in various packages are #9, #10 and #39
The T5i is #18, #22, #23,
The 7D is #38

Obviously APSC is DEAD! and FF will win the sales competition...
< HUGE SARCASM TAG>

The 6D is #11 an #16
The 5D3 is #14 and #21
The 1DX does not show up in the top 100....

It makes perfect sense that Canon will drop a top selling camera to protect one that does not it into the top 100... NOT!!!

So lets look at "digital camera" sales:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Digital-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/281052/

So looking at that, where do you invest in digital camera R&D?

I'm amazed that the T3i is still at the top of the list.... while the 5D3 shows up at #73....

So to answer your question, I'd invest in whatever can turn a profit....

And the 7D shows up at #43. Given the scaling, that indicates the 7D is STILL a powerfully popular camera, even so many years after its release.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

i like the idea of a big mp ff camera with a crop mode just like the nikon d800. problem is with an optical viewfinder you see a red crop square, but your view in the finder doesn't change. i think you need an electronic viewfinder for that to be a really useful feature so that what you see is what you get. now we are talking about mirrorless not dslr's

+1 ... I totally agree

 

[jrista]

i like the idea of a big mp ff camera with a crop mode just like the nikon d800. problem is with an optical viewfinder you see a red crop square, but your view in the finder doesn't change. i think you need an electronic viewfinder for that to be a really useful feature so that what you see is what you get. now we are talking about mirrorless not dslr's

+1 ... I totally agree

You wouldn't need an EVF. Canon has transmissive LCD technology. They could simply black out the outer region of the frame with 100% opaque LCD pixels, leaving the center LCD pixels translucent (or semi-translucent for things like AF points.) We really don't NEED an EVF to achieve really kick-ass things...an OVF with a Transmissive LCD, which is what all current Canon pro-grade cameras use, can do a hell of a lot of cool things.

 

[dgatwood]

You wouldn't need an EVF. Canon has transmissive LCD technology. They could simply black out the outer region of the frame with 100% opaque LCD pixels, leaving the center LCD pixels translucent (or semi-translucent for things like AF points.) We really don't NEED an EVF to achieve really kick-ass things...an OVF with a Transmissive LCD, which is what all current Canon pro-grade cameras use, can do a hell of a lot of cool things.

Or they could just use the low-tech solution: A little plastic square that flips down into the viewfinder's optical path (or for maximum efficiency, a 1.6:1 magnifier).

 

[vscd]

We really don't NEED an EVF to achieve really kick-ass things..

A WISE WORD SPOKEN CALM! Please Canon, don't jump onto the Waggon of EVF... and I know you read forums.

 

[KyleSTL]

The 6D is #11 an #16

That probably reflects the fact that B&H and Adorama tend to sell the higher-end cameras in packages for the same price as Amazon, but with lots of extras, which would skew the low-end purchases towards Amazon and the high-end purchases towards other companies.

If you look at Flickr stats, there are 10 times as many photos taken with the 6D as with the 70D, with almost 5 times as many average daily users. Even adjusting for the 6D having been on the market twice as long, that suggests that the 70D probably isn't doing as well as one would hope.

Could that speak to the demographic of 6D owners, or that it was the first DSLR with built-in WiFi (which the 70D also has now), or the fact it was released many months before the 70D was announced or available? You cannot accurately infer sales data from such an observation.

 

[jrista]

We really don't NEED an EVF to achieve really kick-ass things..

A WISE WORD SPOKEN CALM! Please Canon, don't jump onto the Waggon of EVF... and I know you read forums.

Totally with you. There are SOME things that only an EVF can do, but in general, I think MOST things that EVFs can do Canon could already do with their T-LCD OVF. For example, I would LOVE to have the ability to cycle my OVF between display modes: Clear (no display of anything), AF Points, Monochrome Histogram (just display black lines in a left to right histogram across the same area AF points normally occupy), Stippled Focus Peaking (blink stippled black dots along the edges or areas the AF Unit/Meter think are in focus, and Level (which only works in live view mode, which is great for landscapes, but there are more than a few occasions where I have to contort my body at an odd angle for Birds/BIF/Wildlife, and I sometimes end up with a wacko horizon even though I don't realize it...quickly being able to see the level in the OVF would be AWE-SOME!!!)

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Sales of the 70D are slower than expected,

Yes.... if you look at the Amazon Sales ratings....

The 70D with a lens is only number 4 DSLR in sales
The 70D bare body is only #7
The T31 in various packages are #1 and #2 and #19
The 60D in various packages are #9, #10 and #39
The T5i is #18, #22, #23,
The 7D is #38

Obviously APSC is DEAD! and FF will win the sales competition...
< HUGE SARCASM TAG>

The 6D is #11 an #16
The 5D3 is #14 and #21
The 1DX does not show up in the top 100....

It makes perfect sense that Canon will drop a top selling camera to protect one that does not it into the top 100... NOT!!!

So lets look at "digital camera" sales:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Digital-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/281052/

So looking at that, where do you invest in digital camera R&D?

I'm amazed that the T3i is still at the top of the list.... while the 5D3 shows up at #73....

So to answer your question, I'd invest in whatever can turn a profit....

You can't use all digital cameras for that kind of analysis ---the top seller there is a $68 P&S --- LOL --- at #12 there is a gopro suctioncup mount... $38 --- LOL --- and the 5d3 ranks at 373...well given what else is in this list, it's actually not bad at all --- do you really think a $3000 camera body would outsell anything else on that list?????? There is nothing there in the top 20 over $500 - the 70d pops in there at #36...that's the only thing above $500 within the top 40. The 70D pops up again, this time body only at #45 --- and still...that leaves only 2 items over the $500 mark in the top 60...

invest in what turns a profit? How many $68 P&S cameras must you sell to equal the profit from 1 5d3 sale? Not to mention that there are all those other reports on market trends - that being P&S on the decline, cell phone camera's on the rise...

So this list is like the worst list to use to base any decisions on.

Said it before and will say it again --- what is the targeted market niche for the 7d2? Is that market segment enough to warrant putting the thing into production? who is this market segment? what other options are there for this target audience? I'm not saying I have that answer. But, however this question is answered is going to be a lead factor in any decision to release a 7d2 or not too.

 

[WillT]

What ever Canon releases next they need to address the D800 and A7r.

 

[Marsu42]

We really don't NEED an EVF to achieve really kick-ass things...

Well, you don't strictly "need" 90% of what a dslr does - but looking at how many threads are about thin dof, af and how to focus I'd say focus peaking in an evf is a breakthrough for anything faster than f2.8.

 

[vscd]

focus peaking in an evf is a breakthrough for anything faster than f2.8.

Use your Back-Display and Magic Lantern and let us work with a real Viewfinder.