Canon EOS M Vanishes from Canon USA Web Site

[zlatko]

40mm pancake is a great lens. I'm sure Canon shooters won't mind adding few more to their kit. UWA pancake - like 19mm would be awesome.

Yes! I would love to see more small primes in the EOS system. For example, I love the tiny size of the SL1, but how about some more small lenses for it? Currently there is only one really small lens (the 40mm pancake) and only one EF-S prime (the 60mm macro). It would be cool to have a few EF-S primes, like a 22/2, 55/2 IS or an 85/2 IS. They could be EF too, but would be even smaller with the EF-S image circle. Making them smaller would make them more viable as alternatives to small mirrorless cameras.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

40mm pancake is a great lens. I'm sure Canon shooters won't mind adding few more to their kit. UWA pancake - like 19mm would be awesome.

Yes! I would love to see more small primes in the EOS system. For example, I love the tiny size of the SL1, but how about some more small lenses for it? Currently there is only one really small lens (the 40mm pancake) and only one EF-S prime (the 60mm macro). It would be cool to have a few EF-S primes, like a 22/2, 55/2 IS or an 85/2 IS. They could be EF too, but would be even smaller with the EF-S image circle. Making them smaller would make them more viable as alternatives to small mirrorless cameras.

Yes, I would buy each of the hypothetical lenses you suggested. I'll imagine beyond:
EF-S 15mm F2.8 STM - $ 400
EF-S 22mm F2 STM - $ 400
EF-S 30mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 350
EF-S 55mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 400
EF-S 90mm F2 IS STM - $ 450

Dreaming does not cost anything.

 

[brad-man]

So now you're telling me that the EF-M35 and the EF-M55 pancakes that I've been waiting for aren't right around the corner? Well that just sucks...
Hopefully Canon USA is just waiting for Canon Global to release some more lenses and a more versatile body before "relaunching". Two similar basic bodies & three lenses do not a system make.

 

[AvTvM]

What's really missing is a kick-ass M3 with truly tracking-capable AF and top notch EVF and 500 shots battery charge. That would very quickly end the Fuji X-games as well as Sony ex-nex alpha stuff. Not to mention dwarf-sensored micro four-thirds. And it would drive a lot of 1 inch nails into the nikon 1 coffin.

Can't be that hard, Canon ... Just do it! ;-)

 

[linus]

Being an EOS M shooter I'd be disappointed to learn that Canon has dropped the line in the US or even worse altogether.

But the fact of the M2 not being sold here (it isn't that different from the first one which famously didn't sell that well) or the disappearance of the M from the US site (it is by now I gather not still actively in production [unless maybe to fulfill any outstanding orders]) don't yet convince me that the system has been dropped let alone should be.

I'm still hoping we'll see an evf version released worldwide over the next year or whatever. By virtue of its image processing and near-native glass (all EOS I mean by adapter) it is still I believe the best mirrorless system out there. Despite lackluster M1 sales and a sluggish mirrorless market right now can you really be the top photo company and not have a mirrorless camera option?

 

[zlatko]

40mm pancake is a great lens. I'm sure Canon shooters won't mind adding few more to their kit. UWA pancake - like 19mm would be awesome.

Yes! I would love to see more small primes in the EOS system. For example, I love the tiny size of the SL1, but how about some more small lenses for it? Currently there is only one really small lens (the 40mm pancake) and only one EF-S prime (the 60mm macro). It would be cool to have a few EF-S primes, like a 22/2, 55/2 IS or an 85/2 IS. They could be EF too, but would be even smaller with the EF-S image circle. Making them smaller would make them more viable as alternatives to small mirrorless cameras.

Yes, I would buy each of the hypothetical lenses you suggested. I'll imagine beyond:
EF-S 15mm F2.8 STM - $ 400
EF-S 22mm F2 STM - $ 400
EF-S 30mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 350
EF-S 55mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 400
EF-S 90mm F2 IS STM - $ 450

Dreaming does not cost anything.

Absolutely! All good stuff.

I'd consider an EOS M if it had an EVF like Olympus or Fuji, great autofocus, and if there were a proper M lens line (like the above). In the absence of an EOS M, I'd love to have such a line up of EF-S lenses for the SL1 and for other APS-C cameras.

 

[zlatko]

What's really missing is a kick-ass M3 with truly tracking-capable AF and top notch EVF and 500 shots battery charge. That would very quickly end the Fuji X-games as well as Sony ex-nex alpha stuff. Not to mention dwarf-sensored micro four-thirds. And it would drive a lot of 1 inch nails into the nikon 1 coffin.

Can't be that hard, Canon ... Just do it! ;-)

Don't underestimate micro 4/3rds or Fuji or Sony. I also use micro 4/3rds and find it quite good and useful. I don't think Canon could "end" any other manufacturer's success just by introducing a good mirrorless camera like the one you describe. However, I do think that Canon could sell quite a lot of mirrorless system cameras if they designed a good one. They have a large base of users that appreciates the EOS system, but sometimes wants something smaller and lighter.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

40mm pancake is a great lens. I'm sure Canon shooters won't mind adding few more to their kit. UWA pancake - like 19mm would be awesome.

Yes! I would love to see more small primes in the EOS system. For example, I love the tiny size of the SL1, but how about some more small lenses for it? Currently there is only one really small lens (the 40mm pancake) and only one EF-S prime (the 60mm macro). It would be cool to have a few EF-S primes, like a 22/2, 55/2 IS or an 85/2 IS. They could be EF too, but would be even smaller with the EF-S image circle. Making them smaller would make them more viable as alternatives to small mirrorless cameras.

Yes, I would buy each of the hypothetical lenses you suggested. I'll imagine beyond:
EF-S 15mm F2.8 STM - $ 400
EF-S 22mm F2 STM - $ 400
EF-S 30mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 350
EF-S 55mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 400
EF-S 90mm F2 IS STM - $ 450
Dreaming does not cost anything.

Absolutely! All good stuff.
I'd consider an EOS M if it had an EVF like Olympus or Fuji, great autofocus, and if there were a proper M lens line (like the above). In the absence of an EOS M, I'd love to have such a line up of EF-S lenses for the SL1 and for other APS-C cameras.

What prevents EOS-M to dominate the market is the lack of a line of lenses with size and price proper for it. Sony Nex and Fuji X, has a good range of compact lenses, but EOS-M only have 3 (2 in the USA). It would be very easy for Canon to make a M3 with the same sensor 70D, eletronic viewfinder, and longer battery life, but the size and the price would be much higher than the current M. Canon has to decide whether to build a pretty decent line of EF-M lenses, or will completely abandon the idea of ​​mirrorless cameras pocket.

 

[Busted Knuckles]

Was looking for it this weekend and thought I was just not current

 

[LookingThroughMyLens81]

Just give us a mirrorless EF or EF-S DSLR and the problem is solved. A mirrorless Digital Rebel or even a mirrorless G-series type body with interchangeable lenses would be a big seller in my opinion.

 

[c.d.embrey]

40mm pancake is a great lens. I'm sure Canon shooters won't mind adding few more to their kit. UWA pancake - like 19mm would be awesome.

Yes! I would love to see more small primes in the EOS system. For example, I love the tiny size of the SL1, but how about some more small lenses for it?

For me the main attraction of mirrorless is the lack of an optical viewfinder. When I got my NEX 5n (2011), one of the things that impressed me was the WYSIWYG nature of the screen. Good enough to set exposure. Sometime later, Austin Tx Pro Kirk Tuck, coined the word pre-chimping. There is no way I'll ever buy a camera without an EVF. YMMV.

 

[c.d.embrey]

Don't underestimate micro 4/3rds or Fuji or Sony.

Got that right. For those that think you can't get good bokeh with M4/3, check-out Robin Wong's work with a 75mm f/1.8 http://robinwong.blogspot.com How to Box a Chicken and Portrait of a Stranger, they look good to me.

 

[jdramirez]

Rip. I'm quite fond of my daughter's sl1 and the short 40 combo.

All things considered, I considered the Canon m, but having to pay for the adapter is what swayed me to do otherwise.

 

[Phenix205]

I never really liked the EOS-M until I put the 100 2.8L Macro on it. Both were my least used gear and I had been seriously thinking about selling them. This combo is absolutely fantastic for still or near still subjects. You can shoot pretty much from any distance. The APS-C sensor gives you greater working distance for macro. And the all-time live view is great for manual focus.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

40mm pancake is a great lens. I'm sure Canon shooters won't mind adding few more to their kit. UWA pancake - like 19mm would be awesome.

Yes! I would love to see more small primes in the EOS system. For example, I love the tiny size of the SL1, but how about some more small lenses for it? Currently there is only one really small lens (the 40mm pancake) and only one EF-S prime (the 60mm macro). It would be cool to have a few EF-S primes, like a 22/2, 55/2 IS or an 85/2 IS. They could be EF too, but would be even smaller with the EF-S image circle. Making them smaller would make them more viable as alternatives to small mirrorless cameras.

Yes, I would buy each of the hypothetical lenses you suggested. I'll imagine beyond:
EF-S 15mm F2.8 STM - $ 400
EF-S 22mm F2 STM - $ 400
EF-S 30mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 350
EF-S 55mm F1.8 IS STM - $ 400
EF-S 90mm F2 IS STM - $ 450

Dreaming does not cost anything.

+1, it'll be fantastic

 

[Quackator]

About battery life: For longer tripod based video recordings
I have an AC adapter, and 5x 3rd party batteries to go when
I'm out on the road. I paid 38 dollars for the 5 batteries with
a dedicated charger that can not only charge from mains
power but also charge from USB and car plug adapter.

I prefer carrying a bunch of small spare batteries over lugging
a bigger camera.

Also, the battery dummy of the AC adapter can be hooked to
a professional power supply plate like the Lanparte and be
fueled by either V-mount or Anton/Bauer gold mount batteries.

 

[bod]

Now that it dropped so dramatically in price,
buying it was a no-brainer.

And wow - I can't remember having had so much
fun with a camera ever before.

Unless Canon really bogs it with a hypothetical M3,
I would be sure to buy it for any price within reason
or at least below 1000 dollars, body only.

+++1

I read the initial EOS M reviews with interest as I had been wanting a camera that dropped in my pocket or bag but delivered high IQ and DSLR functionality with controls that I was familiar with. Sure dubious AF performance in the reviews was not ideal but on the other hand I was not planning to shoot wildlife with it on a long telephoto. The package price in the New Year sales made it a steal with 2 lenses and a flash. So entertained by Surapon's posts on CR I made the purchase (thank you Surapon!) and what fun the EOS M is.

Went on a trip to Nepal on a charity build with Habitat for Humanity and could not take the DSLR and Lenses so gave the EOS M a field trip. Impressed with both the body and the lenses and pleased with the images that I came back with. One reason I purchased the EOS M was to try out the touch screen and I find this really excellent even in bright daylight I rarely encountered issues. I want this functionality in any future body I purchase, loved the ease of positioning AF point with it.

I also experienced that several other keen photographers with me on the trip were really impressed by the small format of the camera and the images from it as regards IQ.

I would a jump at a FF version with EF mount but I will not be parting company with my DSLR and L lenses for many of my photographic activities such as wildlife. What I want out of the EOS M range is small size and portability, IQ and a familiar canon interface. Compatibility with my other Canon Lenses is an obvious plus as regards flexibility.

Curious that so many CR members seem to have the EOS M but it bombed in the US???

 

[Loswr]

Curious that so many CR members seem to have the EOS M but it bombed in the US???

Many (most?) of us bought it after the price dropped to $300. Unfortunately, that sort of "fire sale" also sets a precedent. If Canon brings an M3 to the US, how many people will pay full price at launch, versus how many people will expect the price to drop substantially as it did last time?

 

[AvTvM]

Curious that so many CR members seem to have the EOS M but it bombed in the US???

Quite simple: they all purchased it in the fire sale. I do not know anybody who paid the totally absurd initial price of 899 or so for the kit.

Had Canon come out with body+18-55 [even without the speedlite 90EX] priced at 499,- they would have sold quite a few. Possibly enough to get a good initial share of the mirrorless segment and to sell quite a few additional lenses.

Had Canon come out with a really good, higher end model first ... with EVF + AF performance at or near the top of what was available from competors at launch time ... eg. whatever Panasonic it was in 08/2012 or Nikon 1 or Olympus M5 ... and priced that model at 899 including 18-55 kit lens, they would have sold an even larger number.

However, Canon decided to come up with a low-end model and asked a high-end price. And luckily we taught them a good lesson: "Customers are NOT stupid."

Furthermore, Canon decided not to offer the excellent and very modestly (!) priced EF-M 11-22 in the US. So they don't sell any copies of that one either. And they decided not to offer the EOS M2 outside Japan and some Asian countries. So they don't sell any in "balance of world". And they are dragging their feet on a M3 and rather bring a "new", marginally improved itaration of some Rebel DSLR every 6 to 12 months instead of establishing a amrekt-leading presence in the mirrorless segment with a really strong M3.

Speaking about "shooting oneself in the foot".

 

[Loswr]

And they are dragging their feet on a M3 and rather bring a "new", marginally improved itaration of some Rebel DSLR every 6 to 12 months instead of establishing a amrekt-leading presence in the mirrorless segment with a really strong M3.

Speaking about "shooting oneself in the foot".

Most of the dSLRs sold are at the entry level, those 'marginally improved iterations of Rebels' are Canon's bread and butter. Last year, Canon sold around twice as many dSLRs as all the MILCs sold by all manufacturers combined.

For interchangeable lens cameras, those with reflex mirrors outsell those without mirrors by over 4:1. Considering all digital cameras (P&S, dSLR, and mirrorless), mirrorless cameras account for 10% of the 2013 revenue, dSLRs account for 48% of the 2013 revenue (CIPA stats), with fixed lens cameras making up the balance of 42%. Basically, by pretty much ignoring mirrorless, Canon is concentrating on 90% of the market.

Also worth noting that for Canon, 'ignoring mirrorless' consititues releasing just two models, the EOS M and M2 - and the EOS M (the only one for which we have sales stats) was the #2 selling mirrorless camera in Japan in 2013 (link). The EOS M had 9.2% of the market, putting it just slightly behind the Sony NEX-5R with 11.9% of the market, and ahead of all the individual offerings from Olympus and Panasonic. Japan consitiutes >25% of the worldwide MILC market, so if Canon is going to have a mirrorless line, that's the place for it. The fact that they beat out all the offerings from established MILC brands like Panasonic and Olympus says that Canon delivered what their domestic target market wanted.

I think it's unfortunate that US consumers are far more interested in dSLRs than in MILCs, but that's the reality…and it means anyone who wants an M2, 11-22, and possibly any future M-line releases will have to import them.