Canon EOS R1. Canon’s Flagship Re-Invented.

[P-visie]

Feel free to keep believing. Some of the specs are reasonable, but the R1 is clearly not going to have an APS-C sensor or a 0.8 µs readout speed....and Petapixel also apparently believes the latter. They seem to have missed the fact that Adorama's spec list is a copy-paste from a CR rumor post.

PetaPixel have a new post “I Don’t Believe The ‘Leaked’ Adorama Canon R1 Specs.”. Link.

and they have amended the original post and included this text from Adorama: Update 5/16: Adorama has removed the list as expected. “It turns out that none of the specs for the R1 are real right now. Due to an unfortunate technical error, the Canon EOS R1 page briefly displayed unrelated specifications,” Adorama claims. “We apologize for any confusion and the inconvenience.”


Edit: on Twitter they say that the “specs” are not Canon’s specifications:

 

[Loswr]

Being deliberately naive here: the CR article could be accurate because the source(s) had correct and real info. Which would make the Adorama copy/paste job accurate by association

That's possible, but it assumes that 1) Canon doesn't know the difference between milli- and micro-, 2) the feature list sent from Canon to Adorama was leaked 3.5 months ago to CR and has not been edited since, 3) a Canon feature list would tout DR 'Better than EOS R3 and EOS R5' instead of the usual more general statements, e.g., improved/enhanced DR, and 4) Canon released a feature list without a single asterisk or footnote.

Here's the R3 feature list on Adorama for comparison, the tone of the purported list for the R1 is very different.

• High Image Quality with a Back-illuminated Stacked 24.1 Megapixel Full-frame CMOS Sensor.
• DIGIC X Image Processor with an ISO range of 100-102400; Expandable to 204800.*
• High-speed continuous shooting of up to approx. 30 fps with electronic (silent) shutter and up to 12fps with Mechanical Shutter.
• Improved Dual Pixel CMOS AF with 1,053 AF Points featuring Vehicle Detection as well as Eye, Face, Head, and Animal Detection.**
• The First EOS Digital camera to feature Eye Control AF.
• 5.76-million-dot & 120fps blackout free EVF with quick response***, as well as a Vari-Angle Touchscreen.
• Capable of recording 6K 60P RAW or 4K 120p 10-bit (uncropped) with Canon Log 3.
• Dual Card Slots for CFexpress and UHS-II SD Memory Cards.
• Next Generation Multi-Function Shoe plus Speedlite EL-1 synchronization.
• Enhanced Connectivity.
• Enhanced Operating Controls and Accessories.
• Dust and drip resistance equal to the EOS-1D X Series.

 

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Neuro, it's all kookie. The one thing we know is from Canon is the "video" that my 11-year-old thought looked janky. Don't know what to think.

Tempts me to throw out the spec lists and hope again for my own personal wishes, like any other human. 60 mp, here we come.

 

[kaihp]

Exactly. Typically, the MP count is released only at the formal launch. Probably September or later.

Or when Jeff Cables posts jpegs from the Paris Olympics with full exif data.

Edit: bloody autocorrect.

 

[David - Sydney]

Doubtful. Probably $7K, $8K tops. IMO.

I'm sure that there will be a good guessing game for the release price. That said, the R5ii is likely to be around USD4k based on previous release price and the perceived competition - even if there are a small number of switchers. It would be fascinating to see the sales numbers for the discounted R5 at the moment.

It would (IMHO) be hard to justify the R1's release price to be that much more expensive than the A1 (and everything else).
It would need be a high resolution/DR beast and action demon (extra processor for downsampling with noise reduction on the fly??) to incorporate all the recent innovations.
Of course, there will be some that will upgrade from their 1 series and the extra couple of grand is a minor inconvenience.

A1 USD6.5k
A9iii USD6k
R3 USD6k
R5c USD4.5k
R5 USD4k
Z9 USD5.5k
Z8 USD4k

 

[Jethro]

Due to an unfortunate technical error, the Canon EOS R1 page briefly displayed unrelated specifications,” Adorama claims

Well, they are absolutely right that it was unfortunate ...

 

[David - Sydney]

PetaPixel have a new post “I Don’t Believe The ‘Leaked’ Adorama Canon R1 Specs.”. Link.

and they have amended the original post and included this text from Adorama: Update 5/16: Adorama has removed the list as expected. “It turns out that none of the specs for the R1 are real right now. Due to an unfortunate technical error, the Canon EOS R1 page briefly displayed unrelated specifications,” Adorama claims. “We apologize for any confusion and the inconvenience.”

Fascinating how many people jumped on the information though... a lot of hype for the R1!

 

[Nathan Phillips]

With the body being wider, it looks like they may have got the internal ND to fit in the body. Their patent shows the body wider just like the R1.

 

[Emyr Evans]

With the body being wider, it looks like they may have got the internal ND to fit in the body. Their patent shows the body wider just like the R1.

That would be amazing - electronic ND like the Sonys hopefully.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

That would be amazing - electronic ND like the Sonys hopefully.

I prefer fixed ND to eVND.
The FX9 has a combination of both which would be ideal.

 

[Karm]

Main things I'd want compared to the R3 is pre-capture, increased resolution, and comparably good battery life. Looks like most of that is very likely, so that's nice.
Nice to haves would be improvements to dynamic range, autofocus and eye tracking. Those are also very likely. Yay!

Faster sensor readout speed and higher FPS could be interesting, but probably won't really need it. Hope it doesn't come at the cost of increased image noise levels. Built-in ND filter could be interesting. I do hope the price point isn't too ridiculous.

 

[byjohnburns]

The focus for the past few years among all manufacturers has been on speed and responsiveness (all good things) but I'm still basically still content with the image in my R5 and R3. I've heavily invested into Fujifilm's GFX system because they offer something different in the actual image—something tangible that translates all the way to the final print.

Canon makes the most usable/intuitive/robust cameras hands down, and the R1 looks to continue that tradition, but I can't help but wish there was something more radical about the actual image it will produce (something seriously different, like a curved sensor, for example). But at this point who knows, we still know very little.

 

[john1970]

Canon makes the most usable/intuitive/robust cameras hands down, and the R1 looks to continue that tradition, but I can't help but wish there was something more radical about the actual image it will produce (something seriously different, like a curved sensor, for example). But at this point who knows, we still know very little.

I agree and that is why Canon is my primary system with Nikon Z8s and a few lenses as a secondary system.

 

[Alino]

"... upcoming global sporting events."

I wonder if there's a reason they're not using the 'Olympic' and Paralympic' words? Because I presume that's what they mean. Perhaps Canon is not an official Olympic Partner, in which case the IOC can get very huffy indeed about using the Sacred Name.

There is also the socer European cup in june !

 

[Dreysi]

not really true that they never hold anything back on the 1-series. They never got the eye-control AF of the 3-series (likely because it simply wasn't good enough). Hoping they add an improved version for this one though. It seems to work very well on the R3 and anyone who doesn't want to use it could simply turn it off completely.

Agreed, I tried it and wanted it to work so bad. Alas I'm one of the unlucky ones. Must be my money making long eye lashes.

 

[Hector1970]

I'm sure that there will be a good guessing game for the release price. That said, the R5ii is likely to be around USD4k based on previous release price and the perceived competition - even if there are a small number of switchers. It would be fascinating to see the sales numbers for the discounted R5 at the moment.

It would (IMHO) be hard to justify the R1's release price to be that much more expensive than the A1 (and everything else).
It would need be a high resolution/DR beast and action demon (extra processor for downsampling with noise reduction on the fly??) to incorporate all the recent innovations.
Of course, there will be some that will upgrade from their 1 series and the extra couple of grand is a minor inconvenience.

A1 USD6.5k
A9iii USD6k
R3 USD6k
R5c USD4.5k
R5 USD4k
Z9 USD5.5k
Z8 USD4k

It will be more expensive than it I’d say. 7.5K to 8.5K

 

[Quarkcharmed]

That's possible, but it assumes that 1) Canon doesn't know the difference between milli- and micro-, 2) the feature list sent from Canon to Adorama was leaked 3.5 months ago to CR and has not been edited since,

The spec list on Adorama doesn't have to copy information from Canon 1:1. They might have received a formal spec sheet from Canon and rephrased it to a more user-friendly text. Or used already rephrased text from Canorumors. Because the camera hasn't been officially announced yet, Canon might not have a user-friendly product description yet.

3) a Canon feature list would tout DR 'Better than EOS R3 and EOS R5' instead of the usual more general statements, e.g., improved/enhanced DR

That phrasing definitely couldn't come from Canon, but see above.

Note Adorama never said the specs were wrong. They said "It turns out that none of the specs for the R1 are real right now". What the heck does "right now" mean? And why "It turns out"? They didn't say "the specs we published were wrong".

My interpretation: "We thought the specs were real but Canon told us to remove them because they're not real before the official announcement."

The leaked specs could be all wrong of course but I still suspect they're pretty close to the real ones. Time will tell.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Edit: on Twitter they say that the “specs” are not Canon’s specifications:

Right, that statement is a bit clearer, but they're still avoiding a straightforward rebuttal of the spec in question.

 

[Loswr]

The leaked specs could be all wrong of course but I still suspect they're pretty close to the real ones. Time will tell.

I agree – 30 MP and a blazing frame rate are very reasonable R1 top-line specs.

 

[DhlcadR6]

I agree – 30 MP and a blazing frame rate are very reasonable R1 top-line specs.

just not enough for haters/other manufacturers' fanbois ;p