Canon EOS R5 Mark II deliveries have already started

I am unsure what is exactly is being presented here. They appear to be the post-processed jpg's, when I download the RAW's on the site I see very different results in Lightroom with a clear advantage to the R5 mk ii with +6ev (more natural tones vs a red / purple hue, significantly less noise in the dark areas, etc):

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In their web preview I would agree that the R5 appears slightly better in areas, however when I look at the raw files the mk ii looks overall way better to me. Was the R5 configured with noise reduction maybe? I am not honestly not sure.

I am curious what others who have downloaded the raw files think.
Keep in mind that the ‘studio test’ has moved buildings and had a lighting overhaul the past years. DPreview themselves have remarked that the lights used have degraded over time, as have the prints. So be cognizant of that when trying to compare colour casts.
 
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I am unsure what is exactly is being presented here.
Same here, although knowing DPR I have a suspicion. People are using the DPR tool to draw major conclusions. Here are the +6 EV RAW files from the R5 and R5II from DPR compared in a loop. Look at the overall exposure difference. Anyone drawing conclusions about image noise is being fooled, inadvertently or intentionally.

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Oh boy, I thought we were past this - sensors these days are so freakin fantastic I honestly can’t think of a setting where you’d be better off by a „better“ (whatever that means - .5 EV DR, „better“ colors, slightly better anything) sensor alone.
 
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Stacking does nothing for image quality, only read out speed. The benefits of BSI are essentially gone at full frame sensor sizes (they really only provide an image quality boost for sensors with pixels smaller than 2 µm).
There is some potential for higher dark current/read noise given the additional stacking circuitry but we are guessing.
Whether that is the reason or not is by the by and Bill will provide some clear answer to cooked raws or not (either is okay of course) and DR etc.

At the end of the day, DPR readers want a decision about which is best - however they want to describe it.
Given their weasel words, that is getting harder to do as they say that there hasn't been been significant improvements on the sensor side for some time now so stacking gives improvements in other areas (readout speed/video/ rolling shutter) and better AF.

As Petapixel (that well regarded pinnacle of journalism!) says, the only way to get higher DR is going medium format now.
Have we reached a plateau now? What would be needed for a incremental improvement?
 
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Do you have any idea if the new grips have better button placement, or did you buy the fan one? I can't find any info on them.
I just need a grip for switching between landscape/portrait and the second battery. For some reason B&H was a little wonky on the correct grip for the MK II appearing as an option initially but I went ahead and ordered both the regular dual battery grip and the cooling one. Actually thinking about canceling the cooling one now.
 
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I should clarify what I actually want, and not use GS as a proxy for that: I want a really fast readout as well as really fast fps in certain modes. The R3 had a special 195fps mode, limited to 50 shots. I would love to see something like that for focus stacking and exposure bracketing, those modes only need AF+AE for the first shot.

And I want Canon to fix the behaviour when the buffer is full, I want a nice even cadence, limited by the card write speed. Not the "pause a few seconds, burst, pause a few seconds, burst". I run into this when I have 'too many' shots in a focus stack, I can get around that with CRAW and lower ISO, but it isn't ideal.

I suspect that the R1 can do 60 fps (45MPx30fps divided by 24MP = 56fps), but is capped at 40fps so it can't out run its buffer. Or maybe they did learn from the R7 and won't let the fps run circles around the lagging AF.

I think, for me, that the readout in the R5 is fast enough, but I would like a few extra fps when stacking/bracketing :)

Fair points. I haven't used an R5 in so long, I don't remember what the buffer was like. I can't hit it with the R3 unless the SD card comes into play. I play on the edge of no in-camera redundancy most of the time.
 
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Just a little update on R52 allocations.

The first one has been delivered, there will be another one the last week of August, and then another one by mid-September. So it feels like Canon may be able to actually do this launch well.

This information is from the US.

Canon did say they're making 3700 R1's a month, and I was able to confirm that the production is underway. So that one looks like it'll go well too.
 
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Just a little update on R52 allocations.

The first one has been delivered, there will be another one the last week of August, and then another one by mid-September. So it feels like Canon may be able to actually do this launch well.

This information is from the US.

Canon did say they're making 3700 R1's a month, and I was able to confirm that the production is underway. So that one looks like it'll go well too.
Have you heard anything for UK?

When I spoke to my retailer at the weekend, they couldn’t confirm the 20th or their allocation - all they could confirm was there were a few hundred in front of me in the queue, and it was likely to be a few weeks after launch based on previous launches before I would get one. I didn’t pre-order till the 30th.

I’m hoping to get one before I go on holiday around the 3rd week of September.
 
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I don’t doubt this at all, but then why did Canon use one? It can’t be cheaper? And if there is no gain?
My guess: the faster readout massively improves AF and we gain support for flash in ES modes.

It looks like Canon prioritized ‘speed’ for this generation followed by ‘detail’, at the expense of noise/DR.

How big that trade off is will be clear when DxO adds support for the R5II and Adobe removes the 3 asterisks.
 
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Just a little update on R52 allocations.

The first one has been delivered, there will be another one the last week of August, and then another one by mid-September. So it feels like Canon may be able to actually do this launch well.

This information is from the US.

Canon did say they're making 3700 R1's a month, and I was able to confirm that the production is underway. So that one looks like it'll go well too.

Waiting for all the people riding on "short supply = marketing game" Blvd to make a sharp u-turn onto "good supply = low demand, terrible updates" Pkwy. :D
 
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I don’t want to buy this and then the r5c mark 2 comes out.. have you heard of any release date or tid bits on that?

Everything I've read is that the R5C was a one-off and the cooling grip for the R52 seems to confirm that. But also the R52's specs are more improved on the video side than the photo side. So is there really a need for anR52c? It seems not, but I'm not a videographer.
 
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My guess: the faster readout massively improves AF and we gain support for flash in ES modes.

It looks like Canon prioritized ‘speed’ for this generation followed by ‘detail’, at the expense of noise/DR.

How big that trade off is will be clear when DxO adds support for the R5II and Adobe removes the 3 asterisks.
I will hold back all judgement on noise and detail until compatible DxO PL is released.
 
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I don’t doubt this at all, but then why did Canon use one? It can’t be cheaper? And if there is no gain?
Don't really understand your question. A stacked sensor must be BSI, that's just the way it works. There is no gain from BSI alone, and Canon does not use a BSI only sensor in any camera (at least, not in any ILC). Sony does that, and IMO it's pure marketing.

There are benefits to using a stacked sensor that are not 'pure' IQ-related, namely a faster readout speed that reduces rolling shutter (less likelihood of a distorted image with moving subjects), allows flash with electronic shutter, and improves AF tracking.
 
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