Canon EOS Rebel SL2 This Fall? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

The Canon EOS Rebel SL1 may be the forgotten Rebel, except for those people that own one. It’s small size and good feature set has made it a sales success for Canon. When it was launched, it was the smallest DSLR on the market.</p>
<p>We’re told that an SL2 is definitely on the way and may be shrunk even further. While the thickness of the camera can’t change all that much because of the EF mount, the length, height and weight could be further reduced. One of the ways to reduce the size is implementing an EVF instead of an optical viewfinder. Sony has done this with the A77 DSLR, and Canon has said when the technology is good enough, they may also introduce it into the EOS lineup.</p>
<p>We’d expect an SL2 to share the same 24mp sensor as the recently released EOS Rebel T6i and EOS Rebel T6s.</p>

 

[Sporgon]

The Canon EOS Rebel SL1 may be the forgotten Rebel, except for those people that own one. It’s small size and good feature set has made it a sales success for Canon. When it was launched, it was the smallest DSLR on the market.</p>
<p>We’re told that an SL2 is definitely on the way and may be shrunk even further. While the thickness of the camera can’t change all that much because of the EF mount, the length, height and weight could be further reduced. One of the ways to reduce the size is implementing an EVF instead of an optical viewfinder. Sony has done this with the A77 DSLR, and Canon has said when the technology is good enough, they may also introduce it into the EOS lineup.</p>
<p>We’d expect an SL2 to share the same 24mp sensor as the recently released EOS Rebel T6i and EOS Rebel T6s.</p>

Don't buy this on the OVF effecting the size. It's a tiny pentamirror anyway, and if they keep the EF mount, mirror or no mirror makes no difference. Whilst you could argue that with present tech a good EVF is better than poor OVF, where would this leave the M ?

I think a tiny dslr is a good thing but it needs a decent pentaprism to compete against the up coming EVF, not the dark, low quality pentamirror.

 

[9VIII]

This is the camera I'm really waiting for. Pixel density better than the 5Ds and a very compact size.
And reviews of the T6s are still positive about high ISO, it would definitely be a massive improvement over my current T3 (1100D) in both resolution and low light, while being one of the few cameras that is smaller as well.

One thing I've been thinking about that would be neat is if they use the mirror like an SLT and give live view with the use of a full phase detect autofocus chip, but still make it an SLR so that you don't lose any light in the photo. It would be a much simpler mirror too, and you would be able to combine on-sensor AF for 100% accuracy.
Of course if on sensor AF gets good enough then the dedicated chip is just redundant, but I doubt Canon is there quite yet.

 

[slclick]

With a brighter VF I might be tempted to get another.

 

[unfocused]

I think this is one of Canon's more interesting innovations. I hope they don't muck it up with a electronic viewfinder. I'd take one of these over a mirror less body any day.

 

[Etienne]

Use DPAF and I might be interested

 

[slclick]

Use DPAF and I might be interested

Yes!

 

[Marsu42]

We’d expect an SL2 to share the same 24mp sensor as the recently released EOS Rebel T6i and EOS Rebel T6s.

Didn't some Canon exec promise to stop flooding the market with Rebel and sub-Rebel models?

And really, except for the super-small size (which still has no chance against pure mirrorless) and being able to mount the famed Canon lenses like the 200-400L, what place exactly is there below the very competitive t6i? I'd wager to say the sl1 is forgotten for a reason.

 

[Sporgon]

We’d expect an SL2 to share the same 24mp sensor as the recently released EOS Rebel T6i and EOS Rebel T6s.

Didn't some Canon exec promise to stop flooding the market with Rebel and sub-Rebel models?

And really, except for the super-small size (which still has no chance against pure mirrorless) and being able to mount the famed Canon lenses like the 200-400L, what place exactly is there below the very competitive t6i? I'd wager to say the sl1 is forgotten for a reason.

Don't make it an 'entry level camera' then; make it better quality than the rebel with a higher price tag. Give it an alloy body ( like G16, M3 - hardly top end cameras), and a decent pentaprism with as big a viewfinder as possible. Use the good 20.2 DPAF sensor..In other words a real OVF camera to compete with the likes of the Fuji X-T1, and charge a slightly cheaper price. ( than the Fuji).

 

[Proscribo]

Don't make it an 'entry level camera' then; make it better quality than the rebel with a higher price tag. Give it an alloy body ( like G16, M3 - hardly top end cameras), and a decent pentaprism with as big a viewfinder as possible. Use the good 20.2 DPAF sensor..In other words a real OVF camera to compete with the likes of the Fuji X-T1, and charge a slightly cheaper price. ( than the Fuji).

I really do like that idea. Obvious next step would be really small FF camera wouldn't it?

 

[wsmith96]

I really do like that idea. Obvious next step would be really small FF camera wouldn't it?

Isn't that the 6D? It's already pretty small.

 

[LukasS]

Noooo!! I'm days away from buying 100D , now it will haunt me "to wait or not to wait"...

 

[Moulyneau]

We’d expect an SL2 to share the same 24mp sensor as the recently released EOS Rebel T6i and EOS Rebel T6s.

Didn't some Canon exec promise to stop flooding the market with Rebel and sub-Rebel models?

And really, except for the super-small size (which still has no chance against pure mirrorless) and being able to mount the famed Canon lenses like the 200-400L, what place exactly is there below the very competitive t6i? I'd wager to say the sl1 is forgotten for a reason.

Don't make it an 'entry level camera' then; make it better quality than the rebel with a higher price tag. Give it an alloy body ( like G16, M3 - hardly top end cameras), and a decent pentaprism with as big a viewfinder as possible. Use the good 20.2 DPAF sensor..In other words a real OVF camera to compete with the likes of the Fuji X-T1, and charge a slightly cheaper price. ( than the Fuji).

I'd second that. Agree with Marsu42 that a cheap/light version of the 1200D might, nowadays, have a hard time enticing buyers vs mirrorless stuff. That unless they produce it in white or pink for the Japanese market!

I'd love to have a tiny, capable 1.6 DSLR that would take all my lenses as a second body. Then I can throw a 1Dx2 in my bag. After all, the weight should be same as 5D3+6D! Just speculating...

 

[DennyF]

I have a SL1 and it has been my favorite for air travel. So I'll be interested in an SL2, if and when it appears. Am somewhat surprised as the reports I've read indicated Canon was disappointed in the SL1's sales numbers. Kind of challenging for Canon to bring the rumored SL2 and maybe a M4 to market in the U.S. Wouldn't they cannibalize sales from each other?

 

[Marsu42]

Don't make it an 'entry level camera' then; make it better quality than the rebel with a higher price tag.

Even if this makes sense, I doubt Canon will go this route as it contradicts their whole product policy for the last decades. As demonstrated with the recent t6i (probably replacing a never-to-be 80d) they are anchored in the "bigger is better" dslr setup and leave the "mirrorless magic" or "small & sturdy" to the competition for the time being.

The one exception is the 6d that has a xxd form size, but they were forced at gunpoint by Nikon's d600 to deliver something that wouldn't threaten their 5d3 and saw a niche as a "tourist ff cam".

 

[Maximilian]

Noooo!! I'm days away from buying 100D , now it will haunt me "to wait or not to wait"...

Do NOT wait! The 100D/SL1 is a really nice cute little DSLR and I bought it last fall. Since then the price hasn't changed much and is at a really tempting level and worth buing it. (right now I see it for less then 400 € with STM kit lens in Germany).
This SL2/1x0D talk is yet just rumors. Get it now, enjoy it now and rethink your decission only when the rumor becomes reality and the new price is out, supposedly more than 100 € higher (I guess a MRSP at 650,- at the beginning and for the first few months).

If you ar willing to pay the price for early adaptor, then wait.

Or spend that money on the cool pancake lenses

 

[Sporgon]

The one exception is the 6d... but they were forced at gunpoint by Nikon's d600 to deliver something that wouldn't threaten their 5d3 and saw a niche as a "tourist ff cam".

Well if the 6D was a response to the 600D Canon were pretty damn fast !

"niche as a tourist ff cam". Is that what the original 5D was in 2005 ?

Canon left the prehistoric AF system in the 5DII to no doubt hold back potential 1DsIII professional purchasers. Didn't work so Canon graciously up graded the 5D to a more genuine contemporary pro grade camera. Surely it was logical to offer those who wanted a basic FF camera a cheaper alternative to a 5DIII ?

I think your condescending remarks about the 6D are a little unfair. I know that you really wanted a 5DIII, and I'm sure there are many others like you, but don't underestimate the amount of users who just want a fairly straight forward FF camera with high 'IQ'.

By the way, I agree with you: a high grade SL1 would not fit into the Canon lineup and I'm (regretfully) sure it wont happen.

 

[photonius]

The Canon EOS Rebel SL1 may be the forgotten Rebel, except for those people that own one. It’s small size and good feature set has made it a sales success for Canon. When it was launched, it was the smallest DSLR on the market.</p>
<p>We’re told that an SL2 is definitely on the way and may be shrunk even further. While the thickness of the camera can’t change all that much because of the EF mount, the length, height and weight could be further reduced. One of the ways to reduce the size is implementing an EVF instead of an optical viewfinder. Sony has done this with the A77 DSLR, and Canon has said when the technology is good enough, they may also introduce it into the EOS lineup.</p>
<p>We’d expect an SL2 to share the same 24mp sensor as the recently released EOS Rebel T6i and EOS Rebel T6s.</p>

Don't buy this on the OVF effecting the size. It's a tiny pentamirror anyway, and if they keep the EF mount, mirror or no mirror makes no difference. Whilst you could argue that with present tech a good EVF is better than poor OVF, where would this leave the M ?

I think a tiny dslr is a good thing but it needs a decent pentaprism to compete against the up coming EVF, not the dark, low quality pentamirror.

The camera is supposed to be lighter, so no pentaprism. a pentaprism is a full block of "glass", while mirrors are only thin mirrors at the edges (of an imaginary pentaprism). Ergo a pentaprism is much heavier than mirrors, so no go for a small light camera. actually, not sure why the mirrors can't be made of the same quality as a pentaprism.

 

[gn100]

I really do like that idea. Obvious next step would be really small FF camera wouldn't it?

Isn't that the 6D? It's already pretty small.

Really - here's a comparison with a small full frame camera .. http://camerasize.com/compare/#380,487

I think the 6D is the full frame version of the 60D .... and look at the 60D vs the 100D (SL1) ..http://camerasize.com/compare/#100,448 ...... there is certainly room for a smaller full frame ..... especially if Canon aren't confident of putting forward a EVF, they need something for the users that want a smaller camera. While the US market generally prefers larger cameras, in other parts of the world (Asia in particular), smaller cameras are more sought after.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I see this hypothetical Rebel SL2 as a serious bet on what should be the future of mirrorless. ???

Whereas Canon did not take seriously its line EOS-M, I imagine that there is space for a mirrorless SL2. Imagine a SL2 compatible with EF / EF-S lenses without adapter, OLED viewfinder with very little lag, and the same sensor of 7D Mark II, costing less than $ 1000 ... :