Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

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DarkKnightNine said:
rpt said:
DarkKnightNine said:
Canon has become so unimpressive with their camera specs lately. Has anyone seen what even a small family owned company like Sigma is doing? They've managed to stuff a 46MP Foveon Sensor into a point-and-shoot, and their lenses have recently been setting benchmarks that put even the best L glass to shame at a fraction of the cost. Canon needs to get off of their lazy asses and start innovating. They clearly have the means, just apparently not much inspiration.


Sigma link:
http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/camera/dp1_merrill/#/specification
The max image dimension is shown as 4704 x 3136 pixels...

The way to get to 46MP is by multiplying by 3. It is on the specs page...

Canon still need to get off their you-know-whats but Sigma's 46MP looks like marketing to me.


Still you have to applaud Sigma's effort for at least trying something new (whether it's just marketing hype or not will have to be reserved for real world testing). Canon hasn't had a wow! feature since putting radio transceivers into their flash units (which I absolutely LOVE!). I'll say it again, what really disappoints me with Canon is that they have the largest marketshare and the technology to do so much better, but they seem to be content with just coasting along. I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could blow the doors off the competition, so why the mediocre upgrades time and time again? There's no excuse for it. I want Canon to do better because they can.

Which is why I wrote "Canon still need to get off their you-know-whats"...
 
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DarkKnightNine said:
rpt said:
DarkKnightNine said:
Canon has become so unimpressive with their camera specs lately. Has anyone seen what even a small family owned company like Sigma is doing? They've managed to stuff a 46MP Foveon Sensor into a point-and-shoot, and their lenses have recently been setting benchmarks that put even the best L glass to shame at a fraction of the cost. Canon needs to get off of their lazy asses and start innovating. They clearly have the means, just apparently not much inspiration.


Sigma link:
http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/camera/dp1_merrill/#/specification
The max image dimension is shown as 4704 x 3136 pixels...

The way to get to 46MP is by multiplying by 3. It is on the specs page...

Canon still need to get off their you-know-whats but Sigma's 46MP looks like marketing to me.


Still you have to applaud Sigma's effort for at least trying something new (whether it's just marketing hype or not will have to be reserved for real world testing). Canon hasn't had a wow! feature since putting radio transceivers into their flash units (which I absolutely LOVE!). I'll say it again, what really disappoints me with Canon is that they have the largest marketshare and the technology to do so much better, but they seem to be content with just coasting along. I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could blow the doors off the competition, so why the mediocre upgrades time and time again? There's no excuse for it. I want Canon to do better because they can.

Agreed! Even the giant corporate slug that is Microsoft is taking risks and trying new things with products like Windows 8 and Surface. Ok so they're not directly comparable companies but the message is the same: you need to keep on your toes, even at the top.
 
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This Canon vs Nikon argument is just silly really.

We have reached a point where all of the recent sensors are good enough for commercial print. I was shooting with a 40D for newspapers until about this time last year.

The D800 and D600 are so far out of this bracket you cannot compare them. It is a shame but bitching isnt going to solve the problem.

The D800 vs 5DMKIII they couldn't be more different in their application, and although the 5DMKIII may fall behind slightly in IQ and DR at least you can use them and have accurate colour, let alone problems with the sensors.

Same with the D600 vs 6D they are both compromises. The D600 may have more points but they are spread in such a small area of the viewfinder that having 39 in that space is overkill same again with oily sensors... The 6D has also proved itself in the IQ and noise department.

When Canon finally release the new sensor tech im sure it will blow away the competition they are biding their time for a reason and for average photographers that 18mp sensor is more than adequate, old and behind admittedly but this crowd isnt really who this camera is for.

Many average people just want to take pics and Canon is a great name.
 
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Freelancer said:
if you want to buy a competitive camera from canon today you have to pay 2800$ for the 5D MK3.

evertyhing below that you better buy a nikon product.. sad but true.
I disagree, Canon EOS 7D is a fantastic camera and it costs less than half the price of 5D MK III ... I use a Nikon D7000 because of the Nikkor 18-300mm lens, if Canon had a 18-300mm lens I'd have continued to use the Canon EOS 7D
5D MKII also costs less than 5D MKIII and it is great all round camera, which was/is much better than the Nikon D700
Canon 6D also costs less than 5D MK III and it does not have an oily sensor and does not produce green tinge images like Nikon D600
On Nikon D5000 & D3000 series of cameras you cannot have AF using many of thier lenses, if one wants to use some of the Nikkor good glass on the lower end models they have to be content with manual focus only ... whereas Canon xxxD & 1000D series bodies can auto focus on ALL of the EF & EF-S glass Canon makes.
 
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stipotle said:
http://digicame-info.com/2013/03/eos-kiss-x7i.html/

Anybody want to get upset?
..or start to despair?
Despair is the right word. No innovation here, no smaller EOS line, no AF improvements, and so on. Typically Canon, ridiculously small "steps" while the contenders move ahead. Lately, I got my hands on a 650D (Regel T4i?): very cheap plastics, just like the 1100D, worse than the predecessors. All other brands offer better quality, better AF and for years now, less noise. Hard to imagine that Canon once was far ahead of the others regarding noise, but they really screwed up in the last years. That happens when you are market leader and get lazy and complacent.
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
Freelancer said:
if you want to buy a competitive camera from canon today you have to pay 2800$ for the 5D MK3.

evertyhing below that you better buy a nikon product.. sad but true.
I disagree, Canon EOS 7D is a fantastic camera and it costs less than half the price of 5D MK III ... I use a Nikon D7000 because of the Nikkor 18-300mm lens, if Canon had a 18-300mm lens I'd have continued to use the Canon EOS 7D
5D MKII also costs less than 5D MKIII and it is great all round camera, which was/is much better than the Nikon D700
Canon 6D also costs less than 5D MK III and it does not have an oily sensor and does not produce green tinge images like Nikon D600
On Nikon D5000 & D3000 series of cameras you cannot have AF using many of thier lenses, if one wants to use some of the Nikkor good glass on the lower end models they have to be content with manual focus only ... whereas Canon xxxD & 1000D series bodies can auto focus on ALL of the EF & EF-S glass Canon makes.

Strange, my D600's files are not greenish at all.
 
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I think the sensor will be the same as in the 650D, with some minor improvements. ISO 25'600 could be doable in JPEG with the DIGIC5 processor. And I think this sensor is good enough for the target group. People who buy a rebel (xxxD), are either new to photography, or not really serious about it (the same goes for Nikon 3xxx and 5xxx). These people do not care much about AF-Systems, DR and RAW; so there is no reason to shine with such features. These people like a camera that takes pictures, and one that they think they can handle; not too many buttons, good UI, compact size and a good price. Give them a 7D, and they will be overwhelmed by the amount of buttons, and they will get feeling that the salesperson is speaking in chinese when he explains them the camera.

For these people the old 18MP sensor is good enough, so are 11 AF points.

It also makes sense for Canon to use the old sensor in these cameras. They need to ramp up the production of their new 180nm sensor first, and they won't do that in a high volume model like the rebel. So they can still use their old equipment, which is cheaper then the new ones, and produce very decent sensor there vor the high volume market.
They will most likely introduce the new sensor generation in the 70D and the 7DII. And I will be looking forward to their test on DXOMark. I hope that Canon will catch up with Sony and Nikon, but there is also a chance they will fall a bit short, but also that they will overtake them and stay ahead for some time. We will see.

I hope I will have my 70D before the summer ends.
 
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I guess I'm in the category of the "ignorant masses" that bought a t4i. I paid $550 for the body with the kit zoom brand new. For that price I get a nice big touchscreen that swivels out - great for photos of my new baby when she's sitting on the floor. Af sucks in video but who cares? I just use manual focus when shooting video.

I bought the 50mm 1.8 for $50 from a friend and later sold it to get the sigma 30mm 1.4 for $230 used. I bought a 420ex for about $60.

I've only been into photography for the past 8 months but to me canon has the best bang for your buck. $850 for my whole setup is less than a new nikon d5200.
 
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Woody said:
Albi86 said:
Strange, my D600's files are not greenish at all.

I'm sure they are fine. They just appear greenish on Nikon DSLR LCDs.

But the D600 sensor debris problem is VERY real. :)

Also the lcd thing is overrated - it's mostly a matter of relative perception. I agree, it has a different hue than Canon's LCD and in comparison it looks greenish. The first couple of days it did look green to me too. However, once my eyes got used to it, it just felt normal. Probably by now Canon's LCDs would look insanely reddish to me.

I have taken around 500 pictures so far and I couldn't notice anything strange on them. I'll do a test when I'll reach the famous 3000 shots landmark. It might be that newer batches are not afflicted by the issue.
 
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Yes, I am fully aware of the sensor differences: pixel count, low ISO dynamic range etc. But feature wise? I really don't see any feature advantage the D5200 has over the T5i, nor the D3200 over the EOS-b.

the sensor is a feature ;) it is after all, an imaging device wouldn't you say? 8)

On Nikon D5000 & D3000 series of cameras you cannot have AF using many of thier lenses, if one wants to use some of the Nikkor good glass on the lower end models they have to be content with manual focus only

you need to do your research better. pretty much every great Nikon lens is AF-S electronic focus already. The only stragglers are lenses which are nothing to write home about. At this point in fact, the AF-S based glass so outnumbers the legacy glass and it is so much better, that you'd be nuts not to buy the modern lens!
 
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Woody said:
The 5D3 and 6D sensors have lower pixel count and poorer low ISO dynamic range compared to that on D800 and D600 respectively. So, there is no technical advantage whatsoever in Canon cameras

How is that people continually fail to understand that a "camera" is not a metal/plastic box with a sensor inside, any more than a car is a metal/plastic box with an engine inside? I was car shopping recently, pretty much every vehicle I was looking at, different body styles from 5 different manufacturers, all had a 3.5L 6-cyl engine. Does that mean there's no real difference between them?

Yes, the sensor is important. No, Canon doesn't make the best sensors from an IQ standpoint. But until consumers start buying bare silicon sensors to take pictures, what matters is camera performance, not only sensor performance.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Woody said:
The 5D3 and 6D sensors have lower pixel count and poorer low ISO dynamic range compared to that on D800 and D600 respectively. So, there is no technical advantage whatsoever in Canon cameras

How is that people continually fail to understand that a "camera" is not a metal/plastic box with a sensor inside, any more than a car is a metal/plastic box with an engine inside? I was car shopping recently, pretty much every vehicle I was looking at, different body styles from 5 different manufacturers, all had a 3.5L 6-cyl engine. Does that mean there's no real difference between them?

Yes, the sensor is important. No, Canon doesn't make the best sensors from an IQ standpoint. But until consumers start buying bare silicon sensors to take pictures, what matters is camera performance, not only sensor performance.

So are we beating the dead horse again? ;)
 
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