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Canon is just stupid - 5D3s AutoISO still crappy - EMAIL THEM HOW IT SHOULD WORK

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Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

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Stop arguing whether you need it or don't, no one cares, there are a lot of people who find it useful, if you don't you don't have to use it.

Fact is there are fast moving situations you want to shoot that might change from sunlight to shadow. And if you change ISO values you loose important moments. Sure you can just shoot everything with 6400 or higher to be on the save side. But its just damn convenient to have the camera user lower ISOs and faster times wich results in better quality if the light allows it.

And why not be angry about this feature? For me this would have been the main reason to upgrade from II to III. Because i shoot under those conditions a lot. And i thought they finally did it, then i read the manual and found that ridiculous limit for the shutter speed. As they said the II has Auto ISO i thought i can use it, and now 2 camera generations (7D was in between) later they still haven't figured it out

Using TV doesn't help either because you cant shoot everything with 2.8

And M, makes no sense at all Sure you could set your limit time, but in AV you could get faster if the light allows it. And in M, the camera has to use higher ISOs because 1/800 F4 just doesn't work in bright sunlight with ISO 200, and its not allowed to use faster times in M. So no gain in picture quality there.

Fact the camera is rubbish and useless in my opinion as a MII owner. And yes other people might like, want different features. Thats called freedom of thought.

If you also think this is rubbish, fill out a Canon online contact form and tell them, maybe they will do something about, they activated the F8 autofocus for the 1DX didnt they? Maybe there is still hope.
 
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bloodstupid said:
Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Not so useful for weddings, either. It automatically sets the ISO to 400 if a flash is attached and turned on, and maxes out at ISO 1600 if the flash head is set for bounce photography.

I honestly don't know when the Auto-ISO function would actually be useful; the limitations Canon's put on it seem entirely arbitrary.
 
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A couple of problems I find with Auto Iso in general
on other cameras previous nikon and the fuji x10

- If the scene is mostly dark with lit subject you want to expose for auto iso will overexpose the lit subject to try and get the scene to its predefined middle grey exposure setting for example a concert. much better off setting everything manual in this situation i find

- When you have a big shoot and lots of photos to process you really dont want iso changing all over the place because it means editing every shot 1 by 1. crazy workflow. much better to set your iso manually again

- I personally find auto iso on any camera just doesnt quite deliver. it might work in some situations but generally it causes more problems than it solves

thats just my take on it, so i'm not too worried about it
 
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Stephen Melvin said:
bloodstupid said:
Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Not so useful for weddings, either. It automatically sets the ISO to 400 if a flash is attached and turned on, and maxes out at ISO 1600 if the flash head is set for bounce photography.

I honestly don't know when the Auto-ISO function would actually be useful; the limitations Canon's put on it seem entirely arbitrary.

That is if the bounce flash is used in the A+ or P mode... if you use Tv/Av/M modes you wont be limited...
 
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bloodstupid said:
Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

The manual says you can set the minimum shutter speed from 1/250 to 1 second... doesn't say anything about max shutter speed..
 
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I think that is exactly what they mean.

Anyway, I think guys, that is allready a very usefull AutoISO for normal work. If you actually want the whole thing buy a 1DX.
 
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Never use any Auto settings... at this point the only auto setting used, Green box gets used when handing over the camera to a novice to get a picture of the wife and I. Auto ISO could be compltely removed and I could care less.
 
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I use auto iso on the 1D4 (nd on the 7D) in manual mode, setting the shutter speed and the aperture and letting the camera set the ISO

This is great for fast moving subjects that move in varying light conditions
 
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The closest setting to Auto I use is AV (Aperture Priority)... Every other auto setting doesn't seem to deliver. If you're shooting with a DSLR, then you should know how to operate M (Manual). If not then what's the point in using a DSLR? Unless of course you're having some newb use your camera to take a photo, the Auto setting are just there for decoration and to make you feel like you got a bit more technology in the camera for all the money you spent on it lol ;)
 
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I'm confused...is this a complaint about functionality in the non-M/Av/Tv modes? Honestly, I've never used anything but those, and Auto-ISO works perfectly fine if the lighting conditions are changing pretty rapidly (e.g. late sunset). Only thing I could wish for is setting a maximum ISO that the camera will go up to, which I think is included in the 5d3 (not sure).
 
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Auto Iso should technically work if

- the scene is fairly uniformly lit ie the camera will be able to make its programed exposure calc and it will be correct. If there is massive contrast in the scene then it's going to do something crazy same with anything in auto

- rapidly changing light back and forth as brian said shooting birds etc in changable light.

- you dont mind all the images having iso values all over the place maybe its a low volume shoot so processing individal images isnt a problem

Still its better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, I'll definately test it out and see if it could be usefull.
 
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I've never used auto iso for sports. I use my usual presents and then fire off a few test shots. If needed, I adjust accordingly.

I use auto-iso if I'm out and about. I'm against people who think that if you're not shooting in manual, you're doing it wrong. Having a shot is better than none.

I also use auto-iso if I'm feeling rather lazy and don't want to fumble with the settings :P
 
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I wrote a blog entry on how I use auto ISO exclusively to shoot polo. I don't use it full-bore auto. I'm constantly adjusting it. It's probably too novice for this crew, but I get asked a lot where to put the settings when shooting polo, so I just wrote some things up to send people to.
www.pitchblackblog.com.
 
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bloodstupid said:
Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

You don't suppose that Canon might have assumed that someone shooting sports/action and needing fast shutter speeds and tight control over them might, just might, be shooting in Tv or M mode? Or that if you have some experience and have an intuitive feel for light levels that comes with that experience, and assuming for some reason you wanted to use Av mode for sports, you could set the Auto ISO range to a floor of 800, 1600, or whatever would give you the shutter speed needed for the max light level you'd likely encounter? Just sayin'.
 
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What would be good is if you could use the exposure compensation to affect the auto iso
ie you ahve aperture and shutter speed set but know the auto iso is going to under or over expose consistantly by a certain amount, it would be nice if when auto iso was enabled then the exposure compensation would operate on the iso leaving your aperture and shutter speed set.
This would allow you to quickly compensate for more contrasty light and get more keeper with auto iso

ie if the auto iso is over exposing (relative to the subject you want correctly exposed) it will be using an un-necessarily high iso value which you will need to correct in post anyway dropping the exposure so being able to dial in some EC into the iso will force it to keep the iso down.
 
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Seems to me that:

Auto ISO has the full range in all modes

Auto ISO limits can be set

When using Auto ISO shutter speed limits can be set.

Seems to me that Canon has been far from stupid in that the auto iso is better than the 1D4/1Ds3.
 
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bloodstupid said:
Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Here's a thought.....set your own ISO. Call me kooky. A lack of auto ISO doesn't make this camera useless, yet it has auto ISO....can't have everything. You may be a useless photographer if you can't figure out what your ISO should be and set it on the fly. I hate these kinds of useless rants....just because YOU can't figure out how to set your ISO for sports/action, doesn't mean other people can't.
 
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The TO is complaining, that he is only limited to 1/250 as fastest minimum shutter speed, which would make it impossible to shoot sportive activities that require speeds like 1/8000 without turning to manual ISO.

Not that much of a problem to anyone, because those situations are quite rare and if you NEED to use A-ISO in that area, than you are a professional anyway, who goes for a 1DX.
 
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I misread the original post and my thoughts were regarding the use of Auto Shooting modes. My Bad... :-[

So on Auto ISO... I haven't really cared for it... Basically tried it a few times and the results were that I lost dynamic range in the shot and the wasn't able to retain detail in the highlights. The problem being was that Auto ISO would never select down to ISO 100-200 in situations where I would have selected a low ISO. It seemed like the camera did not meter the zone relative to my area of focus properly when using Auto ISO. For this reason, I always manually set ISO and just live with having to do a bit of extra work in post for situations with rapidly changing light.
 
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