Canon is just stupid - 5D3s AutoISO still crappy - EMAIL THEM HOW IT SHOULD WORK

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Here's a thought.....set your own ISO. Call me kooky. A lack of auto ISO doesn't make this camera useless, yet it has auto ISO....can't have everything. You may be a useless photographer if you can't figure out what your ISO should be and set it on the fly. I hate these kinds of useless rants....just because YOU can't figure out how to set your ISO for sports/action, doesn't mean other people can't.

There is a case for auto iso - but this I suspect was an operator reading the manual error 8) 8) 8)

 

[JMikePhoto]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Here's a thought.....set your own ISO. Call me kooky. A lack of auto ISO doesn't make this camera useless, yet it has auto ISO....can't have everything. You may be a useless photographer if you can't figure out what your ISO should be and set it on the fly. I hate these kinds of useless rants....just because YOU can't figure out how to set your ISO for sports/action, doesn't mean other people can't.

There is a case for auto iso - but this I suspect was an operator reading the manual error 8) 8) 8)

lol.....sure, auto ISO is great for when you're inside and find yourself going outside and it's sunny and you forget. It helps not to be shooting ISO 1600 when it's wonderfully sunny outside....I've done it. Auto ISO on my 60D is perfect for that. But I don't know anyone who requires auto ISO to shoot motocross. That's bloody ridiculous.

 

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Here's a thought.....set your own ISO. Call me kooky. A lack of auto ISO doesn't make this camera useless, yet it has auto ISO....can't have everything. You may be a useless photographer if you can't figure out what your ISO should be and set it on the fly. I hate these kinds of useless rants....just because YOU can't figure out how to set your ISO for sports/action, doesn't mean other people can't.

There is a case for auto iso - but this I suspect was an operator reading the manual error 8) 8) 8)

lol.....sure, auto ISO is great for when you're inside and find yourself going outside and it's sunny and you forget. It helps not to be shooting ISO 1600 when it's wonderfully sunny outside....I've done it. Auto ISO on my 60D is perfect for that. But I don't know anyone who requires auto ISO to shoot motocross. That's bloody ridiculous.

I use it for chasing birds in and out of the sunlight. Without auto iso there would be a lot more missed shots.

Cant see why motocross would be different - unless of course you just point the lens at one point.

I am going to a BSB test next Wednesday - so the 1D4 will be in M mode with auto iso set as the bikes go in and out of the sun round Brands Hatch. I think it is bloody ridiculous to ignore a really useful feature 8) 8) 8)

 

[nighstar]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Conversely, I can't think of a situation that any type of auto-iso would be useful. It's an unnecessary feature from where I sit 8)

+1

why would i want a camera to tell me what ISO i should be using?

 

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Conversely, I can't think of a situation that any type of auto-iso would be useful. It's an unnecessary feature from where I sit 8)

+1

why would i want a camera to tell me what ISO i should be using?

Because when the action gets going the last thing you want to be doing is fiddling with the ISO and missing the shots

To me Auto ISO is no bigger deal than it telling you what shutter speed or aperture is needed when using AV or TV mode

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

But I don't know anyone who requires auto ISO to shoot motocross. That's bloody ridiculous.

Sorry, have to completely disagree there. There are many situations where you need a fixed aperture for the proper DoF and a fixed shutter speed to stop action, but light levels can vary greatly during shooting. Birds in flight, where the subject flies with open sky vs. dark trees in the background. Motocross where half of the arena is sunlit and half is in shadow. For those situations, a functional Auto ISO in M mode is very, very convenient, especially one where you can set an upper limit for the ISO.

 

[bchernicoff]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Why all the hate for auto ISO? I shot a motocross race with my 7D in manual with auto ISO so I could set the amount of depth of field and motion blur I wanted, but still let the light metering adjust the ISO to keep the exposure right. I shot a lot of panning sequences through the track's corners and also following the riders during big jumps which both involve widely varying lighting conditions. The results really came out pretty good. The camera selected ISO ranges from 100-640 depending...

 

[Seamus]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

But I don't know anyone who requires auto ISO to shoot motocross. That's bloody ridiculous.

Sorry, have to completely disagree there. There are many situations where you need a fixed aperture for the proper DoF and a fixed shutter speed to stop action, but light levels can vary greatly during shooting. Birds in flight, where the subject flies with open sky vs. dark trees in the background. Motocross where half of the arena is sunlit and half is in shadow. For those situations, a functional Auto ISO in M mode is very, very convenient, especially one where you can set an upper limit for the ISO.

I couldn't have said it nicer myself (+1)

 

[bchernicoff]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Here, check out Chad Reed and RV2:

 

[JMikePhoto]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

But I don't know anyone who requires auto ISO to shoot motocross. That's bloody ridiculous.

Sorry, have to completely disagree there. There are many situations where you need a fixed aperture for the proper DoF and a fixed shutter speed to stop action, but light levels can vary greatly during shooting. Birds in flight, where the subject flies with open sky vs. dark trees in the background. Motocross where half of the arena is sunlit and half is in shadow. For those situations, a functional Auto ISO in M mode is very, very convenient, especially one where you can set an upper limit for the ISO.

Convenient, but not required, which was my point. Disagree if you must, completely if necessary, but the second a camera manufacturer comes out with a feature or function that does not meet the expectations of everyone, suddenly the camera is useless? Um...no. Switch to nikon if you want that kind of auto ISO functionality. Canon hasn't had it, hasn't needed it, and people still shoot motocross with canon bodies without it. It isn't a deal-breaker for 99% of people considering this camera for that kind of photography. Well, the people that matter anyway. I don't shoot that kind of photography, but I have shot nature, extensively, without the convenience. I just push the button with the pip on it and spin the dial on the back when I need more shutter speed. It's not that big a deal.

 

[nighstar]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Because when the action gets going the last thing you want to be doing is fiddling with the ISO and missing the shots

To me Auto ISO is no bigger deal than it telling you what shutter speed or aperture is needed when using AV or TV mode

personal preference, i guess. i would much rather the camera adjust the aperture or shutter speed (depending on the situation) than to let it change the ISO.

i suppose if a camera's high ISO performance is really great the auto change of ISO wouldn't be a big deal, but i am used to shooting film where you stick with an ISO for the entire roll and to using digital cameras where anything beyond 800 is only good for b&w grain.

for low light, the 5D Mark III will certainly be liberating for me either way...

 

[nighstar]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Sorry, have to completely disagree there. There are many situations where you need a fixed aperture for the proper DoF and a fixed shutter speed to stop action, but light levels can vary greatly during shooting. Birds in flight, where the subject flies with open sky vs. dark trees in the background. Motocross where half of the arena is sunlit and half is in shadow. For those situations, a functional Auto ISO in M mode is very, very convenient, especially one where you can set an upper limit for the ISO.

good point. this never even occurred to me.... :-X

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

I just posted the same in the main forum.

We already knew no EC in M AutoISO mode. Dumb.

But we figured the new shutter limit would more or less rescue it since we can use it in Av mode then but then WTH???

They make the max minimum shutter speeds limited to the very speeds where AutoISO isn't even used. I mean 1 second exposures? If you have time for those you have time to do everything manually.

What does 1/250th do for sports of action wildlife?

It's the most absurd limit I've ever come across (well second to the 5D2 and older bodies' locking AutoISO M into the range 400 to 400!?!).

AutoISO is soooo trivial, how the heck can it not work after 15 years!?! I mean we went from Earth bound to man on the moon in less time! Sad but true.

This is the sort of thing that truly makes me believe that nobody in Canon marketing or engineering actually uses cameras. Nikon gives you a feeling that some people there may have actually used a camera before. FOr a few years the historgram top end was dark gray edging to black so you couldn't even see where it ended. How does that get out of the factory if anyone there uses cameras? Thankfully they did finally listen to us and finally fixed that! But it is so bizarre they make such basic mistakes and are so slow to fix them. At least they show they eventually will, which is one step up.

Absurd.

Unbelievable.

And you just know they only firmware update that might fix it would be the next 5D4 for $4000.

Ridiculous.

And just as I was about to post all over praising them for finally fixing the histogram I read this horror.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

The manual says you can set the minimum shutter speed from 1/250 to 1 second... doesn't say anything about max shutter speed..

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

The manual says you can set the minimum shutter speed from 1/250 to 1 second... doesn't say anything about max shutter speed..

yeah and if you set it to 1/250th and it keep picking 1/250th rather than ISO3200 then you get 500 blurry as heck soccer or bird photos....

and why does the the OP get 6:1 ratio of negative smites for posting this? It's not HIS fault they made some nonsensical limitation. Don't you guys WANT cameras that work better in the field? Or is it more important to defend the honor of Canon at all costs???

 

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

I just posted the same in the main forum.

We already knew no EC in M AutoISO mode. Dumb.

But we figured the new shutter limit would more or less rescue it since we can use it in Av mode then but then WTH???

They make the max minimum shutter speeds limited to the very speeds where AutoISO isn't even used. I mean 1 second exposures? If you have time for those you have time to do everything manually.

What does 1/250th do for sports of action wildlife?

It's the most absurd limit I've ever come across (well second to the 5D2 and older bodies' locking AutoISO M into the range 400 to 400!?!).

AutoISO is soooo trivial, how the heck can it not work after 15 years!?! I mean we went from Earth bound to man on the moon in less time! Sad but true.

This is the sort of thing that truly makes me believe that nobody in Canon marketing or engineering actually uses cameras. Nikon gives you a feeling that some people there may have actually used a camera before. FOr a few years the historgram top end was dark gray edging to black so you couldn't even see where it ended. How does that get out of the factory if anyone there uses cameras? Thankfully they did finally listen to us and finally fixed that! But it is so bizarre they make such basic mistakes and are so slow to fix them. At least they show they eventually will, which is one step up.

Absurd.

Unbelievable.

And you just know they only firmware update that might fix it would be the next 5D4 for $4000.

Ridiculous.

And just as I was about to post all over praising them for finally fixing the histogram I read this horror.

I suggest you learn from more learned photographers such as Neuro rather than having a rant over something you clearly know little about

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

You don't suppose that Canon might have assumed that someone shooting sports/action and needing fast shutter speeds and tight control over them might, just might, be shooting in Tv or M mode? Or that if you have some experience and have an intuitive feel for light levels that comes with that experience, and assuming for some reason you wanted to use Av mode for sports, you could set the Auto ISO range to a floor of 800, 1600, or whatever would give you the shutter speed needed for the max light level you'd likely encounter? Just sayin'.

The latter point won't work. If you set it high enough to allow the min shutter speed you need for the darkest part of the field then what good does using AutoISO do? Since when you shoot near the better lit part of the field it won't be able to drop down lower.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Seems to me that:

Auto ISO has the full range in all modes

Auto ISO limits can be set

When using Auto ISO shutter speed limits can be set.

Seems to me that Canon has been far from stupid in that the auto iso is better than the 1D4/1Ds3.

Did you not read where he said that he KNOWs all of that but that the limits make no sense???

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Just read the manual of the 5D III, 1/250 as fastest time for auto iso is bloody stupid. Still usless for sport and action. Might be of use for weddings but that its. Why are they doing this to us?

Here's a thought.....set your own ISO. Call me kooky. A lack of auto ISO doesn't make this camera useless, yet it has auto ISO....can't have everything. You may be a useless photographer if you can't figure out what your ISO should be and set it on the fly. I hate these kinds of useless rants....just because YOU can't figure out how to set your ISO for sports/action, doesn't mean other people can't.

1. Just because you haven't realized where it can help doesn't mean that other people haven't either.
2. WHY are people defending Canon for a defenseless limit that makes no sense and that would be trivial to fix or to not have set in the first place???

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Conversely, I can't think of a situation that any type of auto-iso would be useful. It's an unnecessary feature from where I sit 8)

+1

why would i want a camera to tell me what ISO i should be using?

Because sometimes action jumps from shade to sun back and forth quickly or from brightly lit spot to poorly lit spot and back and forth and why end up using the worst case ISO for all of it?

And if you don't like the camera ever setting things for you then you may as well have then get rid of Av and everything but M mode.

 

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

2. WHY are people defending Canon for a defenseless limit that makes no sense and that would be trivial to fix or to not have set in the first place???

That is because in M mode there is no limit. Why play in AV mode when M mode makes more sense??