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Canon Looking to add a new Full Frame Kit Zoom?

"As long as they are not Sony 16-50 level of bad" - the RF 24-50 is even worse than the Sony. It's an APS-C lens corrected and stretched to oblivion to cover the full frame sensor.
I was happy with the results on an R8, but after 2 trips it hasn’t been used again. The 28mm pancake does 90% of what I want, for the rest of the situations I bring the 16mm STM and the 24-105L.
A 20-60 F4 would be welcome to me, anything slower or bigger would likely remain in the cupboard while the STM primes go out to play.
The 28-70 f/2.8 comes close, but lacks the wider end I need for family trips.

While I go on and on about size, I brought the 50VCM on the last trip and was happy I did :)
 
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