Canon smarter than we think
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In my experience that is just normal. Your first investment for a new office ritually goes into a coffee machine ;D
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All this back and forth about canon/prices/market makes me think of a line from the mothman prophesies.. "a window-washer on skyscraper could probably predict a traffic accident below him before it happens. Does it make him smarter than the ones down below? No, it's just from a different perspective.".
Canon, their PR, their market researchers, their engineers are probably taking a good hard look at what is happening.. sales.. general feedback.. response... Taking everything into account before releasing their 1dx, their 4K video cam, and maybe a 5dx? There is a rhyme and reason to their madness and dont think they haven't considered they haven't done their homework on similarities and contrast between the 5d3 and the 1dx... They know their target audiences, they know who they are going after, and all those who have in some way an issue with this camera, you just may not be in their "target audience". Perhaps they have another camera they have you as being a target audience, perhaps not... But let them do their thing and we'll see what this year brings.
Canon, their PR, their market researchers, their engineers are probably taking a good hard look at what is happening.. sales.. general feedback.. response... Taking everything into account before releasing their 1dx, their 4K video cam, and maybe a 5dx? There is a rhyme and reason to their madness and dont think they haven't considered they haven't done their homework on similarities and contrast between the 5d3 and the 1dx... They know their target audiences, they know who they are going after, and all those who have in some way an issue with this camera, you just may not be in their "target audience". Perhaps they have another camera they have you as being a target audience, perhaps not... But let them do their thing and we'll see what this year brings.
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Agreed. As a professional wedding photographer, all I ever wanted that my 5D2 didn't have was, better ISO performance above 1600, better AF, Dual Card slot, and slightly faster frame rate, and better video features.
Canon did EXACTLY that in the 5d3. Cant wait to use it at a wedding next week.
Canon did EXACTLY that in the 5d3. Cant wait to use it at a wedding next week.
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SomeGuyInNewJersey said:
Actually, for coffee what is considered most important (aside from fresh beans) is the quality of the grinder. This isn't the same grinder I have but I have a similar: http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/grinders/mazzer_super_jolly_electronic
Some of the better home espresso machines will also easily cost more than the MD3.
Those are my two hobbies. I'm a coffeegeek and I like photography. Some day I hope to be good at both (I'm good at neither at the time).
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Their best move was to make the 5D3 available to the hungry crowd before a possible entry-level FF announcement.
I still can't get it how many people did complain about the hight price of the 5D3 and how many people pre-ordered the 5D3 at the same without having seen any decent review.
Well, hooray... That's the way we show Canon what we think of their prices!
I also got the feeling that there is also a huge number of people who picked the 5D3 as their first DSLR.
This forum is about to collapse in case Canon really announces a nice FF DSLR (possibly even a MP beast) in the range of 2000-2500 bucks. ;D
I still can't get it how many people did complain about the hight price of the 5D3 and how many people pre-ordered the 5D3 at the same without having seen any decent review.
Well, hooray... That's the way we show Canon what we think of their prices!
I also got the feeling that there is also a huge number of people who picked the 5D3 as their first DSLR.
This forum is about to collapse in case Canon really announces a nice FF DSLR (possibly even a MP beast) in the range of 2000-2500 bucks. ;D
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Raddy said:Their best move was to make the 5D3 available to the hungry crowd before a possible entry-level FF announcement.
I still can't get it how many people did complain about the hight price of the 5D3 and how many people pre-ordered the 5D3 at the same without having seen any decent review.
Well, hooray... That's the way we show Canon what we think of their prices!
I also got the feeling that there is also a huge number of people who picked the 5D3 as their first DSLR.
This forum is about to collapse in case Canon really announces a nice FF DSLR (possibly even a MP beast) in the range of 2000-2500 bucks. ;D
Well hooray indeed +100 haha
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Perhaps if you drank less coffee you'd have steadier hands for your photographynehemiah said:
Can't say I've ever heard someone refer to themselves as a coffeegeek before... Start the brand! Combine your two loves and start shooting shots for CoffeeGeek you could get them made into T-Shirts and iPhone cases on RedBubble!
Ah... just burst my own bubble and googled it... http://coffeegeek.com/ brand is already taken I'm afraid... Ah well... the good ones usually are taken...
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Sure id like to spend $500 or more less than i did for the 5dm3, who wouldn't. Thing is this camera is the do all camera and doing it at a pro level. The shortcomings don't exist. I could have paid $500 more just to have that focus system of the flagship 1Dx but i got way way more. My brides will love me. Isn't that what its about?
Those complaining about price want the camera like an itch they can't scratch but if they needed the features they would find a way and sacrifice to get it. The cost too much argument is invalid with what this camera is capable of. The 5dII was not an upgrade path for me since while excellent in many ways it basically just had a diff sensor and screen and not much more. This camera however does not leave you wanting.
I do believe Canon may have done the Apple thing and piled up supplies before launch so they could have a profit unleashing when people are hot for the product, if that is the case they made a good move because a couple years ago it was hard to get a lot of things from canon without a wait, if they are smart they will have a larger pile than the vacuum of interested buyers can purchase until sales taper and are more measurable.
As far as marketing. This product reveals that they did take the input and apply it, thank you Canon, keep it up! As far as i am concerned this is the D700 alternative not the 5dm2. The D800 is totally diff so i dont believe it should be compared. Kudos to Nikon though, they blew Canon us on Isos and no one saw it coming 5 or so years ago with the d3 now they take canon on the sensors. Nikon had canon with flash and metering but maybe Canon will take that from them now with wireless transmitting flashes and new advanced metering. I wonder what the next leap will be that forces the other to rethink...
Isn't that what its about?Those complaining about price want the camera like an itch they can't scratch but if they needed the features they would find a way and sacrifice to get it. The cost too much argument is invalid with what this camera is capable of. The 5dII was not an upgrade path for me since while excellent in many ways it basically just had a diff sensor and screen and not much more. This camera however does not leave you wanting.
I do believe Canon may have done the Apple thing and piled up supplies before launch so they could have a profit unleashing when people are hot for the product, if that is the case they made a good move because a couple years ago it was hard to get a lot of things from canon without a wait, if they are smart they will have a larger pile than the vacuum of interested buyers can purchase until sales taper and are more measurable.
As far as marketing. This product reveals that they did take the input and apply it, thank you Canon, keep it up! As far as i am concerned this is the D700 alternative not the 5dm2. The D800 is totally diff so i dont believe it should be compared. Kudos to Nikon though, they blew Canon us on Isos and no one saw it coming 5 or so years ago with the d3 now they take canon on the sensors. Nikon had canon with flash and metering but maybe Canon will take that from them now with wireless transmitting flashes and new advanced metering. I wonder what the next leap will be that forces the other to rethink...
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So much complaining about the 5D MKlll price. Well, it's not a MK ll so why should it be priced the same.
And what about value and features ? I have a 300 F4 lens and a 300 f2.8 lens. I spent over $3,000 more for the faster lens to gain on thing, one f stop in speed and that's all. In fact the f4 has IS and the 2.8 doesn't.
For those who think the price of the new camera is too high for what they get, the MK ll is still available and at reduced prices. Everyone gets a choice and both of them are good.
And what about value and features ? I have a 300 F4 lens and a 300 f2.8 lens. I spent over $3,000 more for the faster lens to gain on thing, one f stop in speed and that's all. In fact the f4 has IS and the 2.8 doesn't.
For those who think the price of the new camera is too high for what they get, the MK ll is still available and at reduced prices. Everyone gets a choice and both of them are good.
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JR said:
The only people who appear to have been left out in the cold so far are wildlife shooters, through the loss of f/8 AF. That makes me wonder if Canon has a plan in that segment. - Could the 4K DSLR be coming with an APS-H sensor (cropped to Super-35 for video) and f/8 AF to satisfy the market of (wildlife) documentary makers, working in the field under adverse conditions? - That would allow them to work with a single camera for video and stills. Of course, that is total speculation!
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gmrza said:
I think the key difference here is volume. Even small towns of less than 5,000 or so have at least one or two wedding photographers (not necessarily just weddings of course). In a city of 100,000 there might be 20-30 (maybe more). But, how many wildlife photographers are there in a similar size city? (meaning people who earn their living shooting wildlife) Probably less than one.
My original point was that Canon knew the market and developed a product that would satisfy that market. Read some of the comments on these posts from wedding photographers. They seem to be very pleased with the Mark III.
As for further differentiation...I don't know enough about either the market or the relative cost of development to venture a guess what further differentiation would be worth the investment for Canon.
My original point was just a simple observation. There has been a lot of self-obsessed complaining on the internets from people who didn't get exactly the camera they wanted. But, from a business perspective, it sure looks like Canon figured out a need and focused in on it with laser-like precision. I admire that kind of corporate skill.
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briansquibb said:
Hmmm, is the 5D3 AF as good as the 1D4 Brian? Is AF any better in very low light? The 1D4 isn't that hot in the dark. It's about the only disappointing thing about the Mk4.
I shoot 1D4 and am currently considering a 5D3. High performance AF is essential for my style of shooting.
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pwp said:
I think the 5DII is better than the 1D4 in low light - and in my limited experience the 5DIII is even better. However in good light and flash there is nothing in it - although I feel the 1D4 is better at tracking moving objects.
I am shooting MotoX at the weekend, it will be interesting to compare the output from the 7D (24-105), 1Ds3 (17-40) and 1D4 (70-200). Rule 1 - dont change lens at a MotoX because of the dust.
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pwp said:
I borrowed a 5DIII from a friend - gave it back
I do so much in protrait that I need the grip/series 1. I made a decision in October to get the 1Ds3 instead of the 5DIII to sit alongside the 1D4. Looks like a good decision in hindsight - I have no loss of function and my PW all work perfectly.
I have decided to have my 135 f/2 on the 1d4 rather than the 70-200 as it makes me less conspicuous. So the line up will be
1Ds3 + 17-40 f/4
7D +24-105 f/4
1D4 + 135 f/2
Will be at Canada Heights from 10 till 5
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pwp said:
This may help you decide since this is a thread of 1D4 users talking up the 5d3 as better in focus.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-1163659.html
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Bosman said:
Wow, those are some very impressive images in that link. I have much to learn about the 5DIII's new AF system
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