Canon Talks 250mp APS-H Image Sensor at ISSCC
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There are a few points that people aren't taking into account here:
- Canon are using 130nm fab tech - awesome. They were using 500nm tech in most current models.
- The more pixels you can throw at an image, given the same quantum efficiency of the silicon base photon collecting surface (esp with gapless colour filter array and pixel architecture), the better dynamic range - esp at lower ISOs because of much greater sampling across the image. It would blast that DXO garbage out of the window.
- No one will ever whine about sensor resolution again - the sensor will out-resolve any lens you can through at it! And that is a good thing! If you have a problem with file size, just downsize to a smaller 16bit raw (*.cr2 can probably already do it). From what I have heard, the ADC can already do it and Canon are doing ADC on sensor for future upcoming products. But, SRAW and MRAW need to be fixed.
All good and moving forward!
- Canon are using 130nm fab tech - awesome. They were using 500nm tech in most current models.
- The more pixels you can throw at an image, given the same quantum efficiency of the silicon base photon collecting surface (esp with gapless colour filter array and pixel architecture), the better dynamic range - esp at lower ISOs because of much greater sampling across the image. It would blast that DXO garbage out of the window.
- No one will ever whine about sensor resolution again - the sensor will out-resolve any lens you can through at it! And that is a good thing! If you have a problem with file size, just downsize to a smaller 16bit raw (*.cr2 can probably already do it). From what I have heard, the ADC can already do it and Canon are doing ADC on sensor for future upcoming products. But, SRAW and MRAW need to be fixed.
All good and moving forward!
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RobPan said:
Sony's lenses aren't out yet and for all we know they could be garbage.
If you want lenses that almost reach 50lp/mm then a good copy of the Sigma Art lenses already do that, as do some of Canon's recent lenses. Sony didn't actually say that they were going to achieve that kind of resolution, their statements in that regard were incredibly vague. I won't believe they have anything more than some weird Bokeh until we see reviews.
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I am very happy with my Canon mount lenses, so I am excited about Canon's sensor development. Remember folks that Canon brought phase detect focus to sensor level with their DPFA or what ever the acronym is - split pixel tech on the 70D. Really looking forward to seeing some RAWs from the upcoming 1Dx II with the assumed on chip ADC. We are moving along quite nicely here on the light side 
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Medium Format?
Or Canon will release a 25MP 1DX Mark III in 3.5 years, a 30MP 1DX Mark IV 4 years after that, a 34 MP 1DX Mark V 3.4 years after that, a 41MP 1DX Mark IV......
A good business plan that will see the light of day in 2064. I hope the camera will be light as I will be 100 years old. The newspaper will run a picture of me with my new 10DX Mark VII and I, beaming with pride (and after putting my teeth in) will remark "I remember when all I had was my 18MP 7D and I liked it!"
Or Canon will release a 25MP 1DX Mark III in 3.5 years, a 30MP 1DX Mark IV 4 years after that, a 34 MP 1DX Mark V 3.4 years after that, a 41MP 1DX Mark IV......
A good business plan that will see the light of day in 2064. I hope the camera will be light as I will be 100 years old. The newspaper will run a picture of me with my new 10DX Mark VII and I, beaming with pride (and after putting my teeth in) will remark "I remember when all I had was my 18MP 7D and I liked it!"
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dilbert said:
no clearly you're not thinking. it's the largest sensor you can make on a traditional stepper lithography machine. which the reason canon always used it for R&D prototypes, it's the largest single pass exposure sensor they could make. (which is why the format came out in the first place).
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gunship01 said:Medium Format?
Or Canon will release a 25MP 1DX Mark III in 3.5 years, a 30MP 1DX Mark IV 4 years after that, a 34 MP 1DX Mark V 3.4 years after that, a 41MP 1DX Mark IV......
A good business plan that will see the light of day in 2064. I hope the camera will be light as I will be 100 years old. The newspaper will run a picture of me with my new 10DX Mark VII and I, beaming with pride (and after putting my teeth in) will remark "I remember when all I had was my 18MP 7D and I liked it!"
Yes, Medium Format will be one thing that will solve the 'airy circle' diffraction limitation - just need larger lenses for the job.
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rrcphoto said:
And that 'stepper lithography machine' uses 130nm tech? I thought it was all running on 500nm tech.
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9VIII said:
Doesn't matter - all lenses still have a diffraction limit and these new sensors will out-resolve them all! A good thing! It will be about sub-sampling pixilation - boosts DR by default at low ISOs.
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This is where I envisage the future:
- A/D conversion will be clean
- Every photon of light will count (a large proportion is absorbed by the colour filters in the Bayer filter array), hence layered sensors will be developed. Different colour absorption at different depths in silicon. It will suck for infrared photography though :/ The current Bayer filter array is what makes good IR shots - unless they sample the very shallow UV and very deep IR layers (I have seen a Canon patent for that) with a five channel readout.
- BSI sensors with a much higher sampling rate than any lens can resolve - ie huge megapixels. If you want to down sample for the purpose of your computer or hard drive space, well make good MRAW and SRAW. What about a 14 bit or 16 bit option? Also, the current problems with down sampling raws will be instantly void with layered sensors.
- Higher QE (black silicon, say - may give and extra 25-45%) - but relates to my second point. Black silicon would affect the colour differentiation of layered sensors :/
Then everyone will be talking lens quality, not sensor quality.
- A/D conversion will be clean
- Every photon of light will count (a large proportion is absorbed by the colour filters in the Bayer filter array), hence layered sensors will be developed. Different colour absorption at different depths in silicon. It will suck for infrared photography though :/ The current Bayer filter array is what makes good IR shots - unless they sample the very shallow UV and very deep IR layers (I have seen a Canon patent for that) with a five channel readout.
- BSI sensors with a much higher sampling rate than any lens can resolve - ie huge megapixels. If you want to down sample for the purpose of your computer or hard drive space, well make good MRAW and SRAW. What about a 14 bit or 16 bit option? Also, the current problems with down sampling raws will be instantly void with layered sensors.
- Higher QE (black silicon, say - may give and extra 25-45%) - but relates to my second point. Black silicon would affect the colour differentiation of layered sensors :/
Then everyone will be talking lens quality, not sensor quality.
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JS5 said:
Dude, I think the upcoming 1Dx II might just be the cam for you! Looking forward to seeing some raws from this beast. If they have weaved some magic with their new on chip A/D converters, we will be singing!
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"When installed in a camera, the newly developed sensor was able to capture images enabling the distinguishing of lettering on the side of an airplane flying at a distance of approximately 18 km from the shooting location".
It's a different animal. Now let's go back to 5D Mk.IV rumors.
It's a different animal. Now let's go back to 5D Mk.IV rumors.
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