Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

[Loswr]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

But…but…the D800 has more DR…and more MP… Why can't these top photographers understand how bloody important those two factors are in making better images?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I'm sure a photographer was using similar sarcasm back in 1977:

"But…but…the Konica C35 has autofocus!… Why can't these top photographers understand how bloody important that is in making better images?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

Or in 1975:

"Darn that Steven Sasson and his Fairchild 100×100 pixel CCD! We have plenty of great cameras now. See how many journalists are using film?"

So an increase in resolution which is severely blunted by many common lenses or a 2-stop increase in already quite good DR are as paradigm-shifting as automatic focus or digital image sensors? Is that really your argument here?? Sad. :

 

[MichaelHodges]

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Improvements are improvements. Each works towards the ultimate imaging device. As long as we're all alive, it always will.

Downplaying improvements because they aren't happening with the brand you've exchanged vows with just doesn't make any sense. It's a reactionary stance, with little footing in logic or science.

 

[zlatko]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

I wonder what the story is from the Olympics? I see a lot of White lenses there it appears to be more than half but there are quite a few black ones as well.

If I were shooting action at the Olympics, the 1DX would be my first choice.

For one brand to get 58% is remarkable considering the diverse styles and subjects represented in the World Press Photo awards.

 

[zlatko]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Improvements are improvements. Each works towards the ultimate imaging device. As long as we're all alive, it always will.

Downplaying improvements because they aren't happening with the brand you've exchanged vows with just doesn't make any sense. It's a reactionary stance, with little footing in logic or science.

Not all improvements help every photographer. Photographers can rationally downplay improvements that don't actually make a difference to their work, while favoring improvements that do. And something that is an improvement for one photographer's work may prove to be a detriment for another photographer's work.

 

[Viggo]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Improvements are improvements. Each works towards the ultimate imaging device. As long as we're all alive, it always will.

Downplaying improvements because they aren't happening with the brand you've exchanged vows with just doesn't make any sense. It's a reactionary stance, with little footing in logic or science.

Not all improvements help every photographer. Photographers can rationally downplay improvements that don't actually make a difference to their work, while favoring improvements that do. And something that is an improvement for one photographer's work may prove to be a detriment for another photographer's work.

Well said.

There is nothing that can improve the 1dx for me. I could be stupid and say a 100% accurate AF that is connected to my brain and ALWAYS focus where I think focus should be, but let's face it, that's a few years off still. I can't imagine not getting great images in any situation with the 1dx, better than any other camera. Tripod mounted or crawling in the mud or jumping a plane or anything else. I only bought the 1d3, 1d4 and 5d3 to upgrade what I didn't felt 100% happy with, not because I wanted the newest. With the 1dx I feel no need to buy anything else. It's some famous last words, I know. But it just works...

 

[Sella174]

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Not all improvements help every photographer. Photographers can rationally downplay improvements that don't actually make a difference to their work, while favoring improvements that do. And something that is an improvement for one photographer's work may prove to be a detriment for another photographer's work.

Yes.

I am further adding that it would make more sense to have more camera models at the top and just one at the bottom.

 

[Woody]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

I'm sure a photographer was using similar sarcasm back in 1977:
"But…but…the Konica C35 has autofocus!… Why can't these top photographers understand how bloody important that is in making better images?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

Autofocus was a disruptive technology and Canon and Nikon responded very QUICKLY to it. From http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/can-you-trust-the-camera.html:

"The disruption came with Minolta and autofocus in the mid-80's. Nikon had been experimenting with a different form of autofocus, but once the Maxxum 7000 was introduced and took off, Canon and Nikon were both fairly quick to respond. Minolta was waylaid by a patent suit on the focus system itself, eventually found guilty, and on the hook for a US$128m settlement (in 1991, that was a large amount of money). Basically, Minolta got distracted by legal issues and Canon and Nikon took advantage. By the mid-90's, Canon and Nikon were a clear duopoly, with both broad, competent camera offerings and a huge array of lenses (apps)."

Current Sony sensor dynamic range and pixel count are FAR FROM being disruptive. It's just a tiny evolutionary step.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Interesting ... people are getting excited over stats from less than 60 camera users and coming to the conclusion that one camera is better than an another?

 

[Azathoth]

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http://kurtklimisch.blogspot.pt/2014/01/examination-for-reuters-fullfocus-2013.html

It's interesting to read data like this, but these "conclusions" are just moronic.

If you want to take a Reuters Best Photo this is what you need: A Full Frame Camera - with a 16-35 lens, shooting at f/2.8 or f/8 set your ISO at 400 with a single person as your subject, the content should be shocking in some way but a funny picture may also work.

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And btw this guy fails at math.

Other than Canon… Nikon, iPhone and GoPro were represented with on picture each.

???

2 (D3s) +2 (D4) + 2 (D300S) + 2 (D3) +1 (D7000) +1(D700) + 1 (D3100) = 11 Nikon photos

 

[Sella174]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

... the content should be shocking in some way but a funny picture may also work.

Would poking a clown with a cattle-prod work?

 

[RomainF]

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These numbers are irrelevant because we don't know the original number of photographers. Not because Canon is one sponsor : they wouldn't give fake numbers anyway…

One thing you have to get is that press photographers doesn't all use a pair of 1Dx, a 24-70 II and a 300mm 2.8 II. Salaried ones, working for the major agencies (AFP ; Reuters ; AP) are the ones who use the best gear because they don'y have to pay for it. For any other press photographer, they are standing alone with their shitty sales report and they have to deal with that money to pay for their living and their cameras.
Their is not that much 1Dx in the everyday press context. The 5D3 is the most used Canon body. There are some 5D2 and a lot of 1D4 and 1D3. Except for the ones who don't pay it, their is a very few 1Dx. The Dx is so much expensive and a lot of works require the silent shutter of the 5D3. That's why it is the most used camera : expensive but not that much ; great AF ; good ISO and silent shutter. These are what a press photog really need.

You know that the news economic model collapses more and more every day that passes. Being a press photog is, nowadays, a mostly precarious situation. You simply don't have enough money to buy the version II of lenses and flagship body if you want to pay your rent and your food. You buy a good camera, keep it for two or three years (minus one if there is a presidential election in the year) and broke it after 250.000 / 300.000 pics. That's why you change it. Not because you want the trendy last camera that has a "better DR". No one ever talks, no one even ever think about DR. DR is only good enough for the forums and "experts" chatting.

I am press/media. What you say is wrong and right. One year ago there is not many 1DX in the field. Now there are. I rarely see Canon 5D as I shoot action.

If I have taken the liberty to write these statements that's because i'm press too. I work about everyday at the presidency and ministries. I stand by my remarks. In the "news" world, 1Dx are a minority. I can see as many Leicas as Dx.

Going on the sports side, yeah, sure, I notice more 1Dx than 5D too.

 

[Viggo]

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These numbers are irrelevant because we don't know the original number of photographers. Not because Canon is one sponsor : they wouldn't give fake numbers anyway…

One thing you have to get is that press photographers doesn't all use a pair of 1Dx, a 24-70 II and a 300mm 2.8 II. Salaried ones, working for the major agencies (AFP ; Reuters ; AP) are the ones who use the best gear because they don'y have to pay for it. For any other press photographer, they are standing alone with their shitty sales report and they have to deal with that money to pay for their living and their cameras.
Their is not that much 1Dx in the everyday press context. The 5D3 is the most used Canon body. There are some 5D2 and a lot of 1D4 and 1D3. Except for the ones who don't pay it, their is a very few 1Dx. The Dx is so much expensive and a lot of works require the silent shutter of the 5D3. That's why it is the most used camera : expensive but not that much ; great AF ; good ISO and silent shutter. These are what a press photog really need.

You know that the news economic model collapses more and more every day that passes. Being a press photog is, nowadays, a mostly precarious situation. You simply don't have enough money to buy the version II of lenses and flagship body if you want to pay your rent and your food. You buy a good camera, keep it for two or three years (minus one if there is a presidential election in the year) and broke it after 250.000 / 300.000 pics. That's why you change it. Not because you want the trendy last camera that has a "better DR". No one ever talks, no one even ever think about DR. DR is only good enough for the forums and "experts" chatting.

I am press/media. What you say is wrong and right. One year ago there is not many 1DX in the field. Now there are. I rarely see Canon 5D as I shoot action.

If I have taken the liberty to write these statements that's because i'm press too. I work about everyday at the presidency and ministries. I stand by my remarks. In the "news" world, 1Dx are a minority. I can see as many Leicas as Dx.

Going on the sports side, yeah, sure, I notice more 1Dx than 5D too.

Because Leica is the cheap alternative to a 1dx? :

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Improvements are improvements. Each works towards the ultimate imaging device. As long as we're all alive, it always will.

Downplaying improvements because they aren't happening with the brand you've exchanged vows with just doesn't make any sense. It's a reactionary stance, with little footing in logic or science.

Are alll improvememts of equal significance? By your logic the identification of the 13th and 14th genes that subserve a particular cellular function carries the same scientific weight as the discovery of DNA as the primary heritable genetic material or the elucidation of the structure of DNA. Inflating the importance of a particular incremental improvement to the level of a paradigm-shifting technological advance is not rational.

Can you honestly say you believe that going from 11 to 13 stops of DR or adding MP that many lenses cannot fully take advantage of rise to the level of importance to and impact upon the field of photography as autofocus or the shift from film to digital? If not, then your response to my sarcasm was absolutely 'reactionary, with little footing in logic or science.'

 

[RomainF]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

These numbers are irrelevant because we don't know the original number of photographers. Not because Canon is one sponsor : they wouldn't give fake numbers anyway…

One thing you have to get is that press photographers doesn't all use a pair of 1Dx, a 24-70 II and a 300mm 2.8 II. Salaried ones, working for the major agencies (AFP ; Reuters ; AP) are the ones who use the best gear because they don'y have to pay for it. For any other press photographer, they are standing alone with their shitty sales report and they have to deal with that money to pay for their living and their cameras.
Their is not that much 1Dx in the everyday press context. The 5D3 is the most used Canon body. There are some 5D2 and a lot of 1D4 and 1D3. Except for the ones who don't pay it, their is a very few 1Dx. The Dx is so much expensive and a lot of works require the silent shutter of the 5D3. That's why it is the most used camera : expensive but not that much ; great AF ; good ISO and silent shutter. These are what a press photog really need.

You know that the news economic model collapses more and more every day that passes. Being a press photog is, nowadays, a mostly precarious situation. You simply don't have enough money to buy the version II of lenses and flagship body if you want to pay your rent and your food. You buy a good camera, keep it for two or three years (minus one if there is a presidential election in the year) and broke it after 250.000 / 300.000 pics. That's why you change it. Not because you want the trendy last camera that has a "better DR". No one ever talks, no one even ever think about DR. DR is only good enough for the forums and "experts" chatting.

I am press/media. What you say is wrong and right. One year ago there is not many 1DX in the field. Now there are. I rarely see Canon 5D as I shoot action.

If I have taken the liberty to write these statements that's because i'm press too. I work about everyday at the presidency and ministries. I stand by my remarks. In the "news" world, 1Dx are a minority. I can see as many Leicas as Dx.

Going on the sports side, yeah, sure, I notice more 1Dx than 5D too.

Because Leica is the cheap alternative to a 1dx? :

You can keep your sarcastic smiley : it is not an "alternative" at all, but it is a lot cheaper for sure. Try to get out of your Canon DSLR exclusive world to have a look on the Leica side. M8 sell actually for about 1000€ and M9 for 2500€. When the 5D3 is about 3300€ with a grip. Regular lenses are, as Canon primes, about 1000€.
Because of the lack of AF, you'll see a very few Leica. And, the song remains the same : there are as many Leicas above the colleagues than Dx. One is too hard to use every day and the other is way too expensive.

You're all talking about "press photogs" like it is an ideal and enviable status. It just ain't what you're thinking it is.

 

[Azathoth]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

And here is the photo taken by the 1100d (T3):
http://www.worldpressphoto.org/awards/2014/contemporary-issues/christopher-vanegas?gallery=1125526

 

[christianronnel]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Improvements are improvements. Each works towards the ultimate imaging device. As long as we're all alive, it always will.

Downplaying improvements because they aren't happening with the brand you've exchanged vows with just doesn't make any sense. It's a reactionary stance, with little footing in logic or science.

Are alll improvememts of equal significance? By your logic the identification of the 13th and 14th genes that subserve a particular cellular function carries the same scientific weight as the discovery of DNA as the primary heritable genetic material or the elucidation of the structure of DNA. Inflating the importance of a particular incremental improvement to the level of a paradigm-shifting technological advance is not rational.

Can you honestly say you believe that going from 11 to 13 stops of DR or adding MP that many lenses cannot fully take advantage of rise to the level of importance to and impact upon the field of photography as autofocus or the shift from film to digital? If not, then your response to my sarcasm was absolutely 'reactionary, with little footing in logic or science.'

I mostly agree with you that some advances in science and technology were paradigm-shifting. However, incremental improvements are what allowed for those revolutionary discoveries. Such that incremental advances in crystallography is what solved the structure of the DNA as Watson and Crick's original model was completely wrong. Same goes for small improvements in enzymology that allowed the development of polymerase chain reaction and cheaper and faster DNA sequencing.

Creating higher density sensors warranted for much better lenses, otherwise we'd still be using Canon glass from the 90s instead of being excited what Sigma will release next. Improving the dynamic range 2 stops helps when you're making large prints since the DR of paper/printers is already limited. Going from 3 FPS on 5D2 to 6 FPS on 5D3 is night and day without factoring the other improvements. Those seem like small improvements on paper but significant in actual use. So yes, all improvements are significant. Compounded knowledge has a snowball effect.

 

[Viggo]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

These numbers are irrelevant because we don't know the original number of photographers. Not because Canon is one sponsor : they wouldn't give fake numbers anyway…

One thing you have to get is that press photographers doesn't all use a pair of 1Dx, a 24-70 II and a 300mm 2.8 II. Salaried ones, working for the major agencies (AFP ; Reuters ; AP) are the ones who use the best gear because they don'y have to pay for it. For any other press photographer, they are standing alone with their shitty sales report and they have to deal with that money to pay for their living and their cameras.
Their is not that much 1Dx in the everyday press context. The 5D3 is the most used Canon body. There are some 5D2 and a lot of 1D4 and 1D3. Except for the ones who don't pay it, their is a very few 1Dx. The Dx is so much expensive and a lot of works require the silent shutter of the 5D3. That's why it is the most used camera : expensive but not that much ; great AF ; good ISO and silent shutter. These are what a press photog really need.

You know that the news economic model collapses more and more every day that passes. Being a press photog is, nowadays, a mostly precarious situation. You simply don't have enough money to buy the version II of lenses and flagship body if you want to pay your rent and your food. You buy a good camera, keep it for two or three years (minus one if there is a presidential election in the year) and broke it after 250.000 / 300.000 pics. That's why you change it. Not because you want the trendy last camera that has a "better DR". No one ever talks, no one even ever think about DR. DR is only good enough for the forums and "experts" chatting.

I am press/media. What you say is wrong and right. One year ago there is not many 1DX in the field. Now there are. I rarely see Canon 5D as I shoot action.

If I have taken the liberty to write these statements that's because i'm press too. I work about everyday at the presidency and ministries. I stand by my remarks. In the "news" world, 1Dx are a minority. I can see as many Leicas as Dx.

Going on the sports side, yeah, sure, I notice more 1Dx than 5D too.

Because Leica is the cheap alternative to a 1dx? :

You can keep your sarcastic smiley : it is not an "alternative" at all, but it is a lot cheaper for sure. Try to get out of your Canon DSLR exclusive world to have a look on the Leica side. M8 sell actually for about 1000€ and M9 for 2500€. When the 5D3 is about 3300€ with a grip. Regular lenses are, as Canon primes, about 1000€.
Because of the lack of AF, you'll see a very few Leica. And, the song remains the same : there are as many Leicas above the colleagues than Dx. One is too hard to use every day and the other is way too expensive.

You're all talking about "press photogs" like it is an ideal and enviable status. It just ain't what you're thinking it is.

No, I'll think I'll leave it there, over here an M (240) is the same price as the 1dx and the Summilux lenses are at least twice the price over the L equiv. and if you want a 24 f1.4 Summi it's also the same price as the 1dx, FOUR times the 24 L II , so I stand by my previous statement.

 

[christianronnel]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

And here is the photo taken by the 1100d (T3):
http://www.worldpressphoto.org/awards/2014/contemporary-issues/christopher-vanegas?gallery=1125526

I live near the US/Mexico border. In that part of the world, you wouldn't want to be walking around looking smug with your "pro" gear.

 

[Etienne]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Interesting ... people are getting excited over stats from less than 60 camera users and coming to the conclusion that one camera is better than an another?

These are the winning photographs out of many thousands, perhaps many millions of photographs.
It is revealing what the photographers are using, and what gear was used to get the one in a million shot.
Yes, it is significant, even though not scientific

 

[Etienne]

Re: Canon & the EOS-1D X Dominate The World Press Photo List

Reuters Full Focus best of 2013 was even more lopsided to Canon: A collection of the years's best 93 pictures.

http://blogs.reuters.com/fullfocus/2013/12/01/best-photos-of-the-year-2013/#a=2

80% of the pictures within the collection were taken with Canon cameras. The Canon 5D Mk3 and the Canon 1DX were the most popular each with 27 photos in the top 93. (29% each, 58% together) The Canon 1DMkIV had 11. What totally blew me away was that Nikon as a camera was only used for 11 pictures in the collection of the top 93.

Here is the full list by camera manufacturer and model:

1. Canon 5D Mark III 27 pictures
2. Canon EOS 1DX 27 pictures
3. Canon EOS 1D Mark IV 11 pictures.
4. Canon 5D Mark II 7 pictures
5. Canon EOS 1D Mark IIII 3 pictures

6. Camera with two photos in the collection:
a. Canon 7D
b. Nikon D3s
c. Nikon D4
d. Nikon D300S
e. Nikon D3

7 . Cameras with one photo in the collection:
Canon EOS 1D Mark II.
Canon EOS 1D Mark II N
Canon EOS rebel T3
Nikon D7000
Nikon D700
Nikon D3100
iPhone
GoPro Hero II

http://kurtklimisch.blogspot.com/2014/01/examination-for-reuters-fullfocus-2013.html

Thanks for sharing. The image with the mother giving birth is the one that will stay with me for days.

I don't care much which camera model they are using. What's interesting is the dominant number of images shot with a 70-200 and 16-35. I expected the 70-200 but I was surprised with how many images there are either shot with 16-35 or 24mm prime. If the 16-35 lens is popular with press photographers as well as landscape photographer one would think that a 14-24 lens would be one of Canon's top priorities. Or am I looking at it the wrong way, is it because it's so popular that they don't think it needs a replacement?

I have noticed that the majority of winning journalism photographs are taken with wide angle/ ultra wide lenses.

Wide angle offers a dramatic perspective and lets the photographer capture both subject and context while being up close and personal. The drama and the sense of "being there" is most compelling with an ultrawide lens.

A journalist needs to be up close and personal to get the story in the first place, so a lens like the 16-35 is ideal.