Canon's bad marketing - big mistake

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I live in Belgium and am an amateur photographer, but have been shooting Canon cameras for many many years now. My current camera is still an EOS 40D, yes. Didn't want to upgrade to a pro model until I knew a bit more about the beautiful art of photography. Didn't want to upgrade to 50D, 60D or even 7D, because the difference in final image quality was too small for me. Been seriously upgrading on lenses though the past few years. 2012 promised to be the year of taking things to a higher level. I had very high hopes for the 5D Mk 3.

After reading a lot and looking at many pictures I think Canon is making exactly the same mistake as Nikon did a few years ago with the introduction of their D700. I think that was a far better and far more sophisticated tool than the 5D 2 in allmost every respect. Except for resolution (and video). The 5D 2 had allmost twice the resolution of the D700 and that was what people wanted at that moment. Being the lesser camera than the D700 they still sold truckloads more than Nikon with their D700.

Now we see the same thing happening with the D800 and the 5D 3. I am absolutely convinced that the 5D 3 for the majority of people will be a far better and more versatile camera than the D800. Except for resolution (and maybe sharpness). But, just like a few years ago, that is exactly what people want at this moment. My guess is that Nikon will be selling truckloads and truckloads more of the D800 than Canon of the 5D 3. Let's not forget that the whole media landscape currently is about high, higher and highest resolution.

Nikon and Sony, 2 of the biggest multinationals in photography equipment, have picked the card of high resolution. That alone should say enough. If you want to sell a lot of your product, than give the people what the people wants. As the Romans already knew. That's the most basic rule in marketing. Canon doesn't seem to be willing to accept that as a fact. If and when the market dictates the need for high resolution cameras, than it's very foolish and dangerous to neglect that. The 5D 3 may be as good as it gets, but taking a look at photos from the D800 makes my stomach turn with envy. Never seen anything like this from a DSLR. The amount of detail is simply from another planet and makes the 5D 3 look rather pale.

I am convinced of the fact that a good photographer needs to study the composition of his photo before taking it. But I can assure you that many of these so called very good photographers will be cropping on the D800 photos like never before, applying the rule of thirds, etc. in post processing and presenting stunning photographs. Of course they will never admit this, but nonetheless Nikon gives them the perfect tool to do this, without being noticed by the majority of people.

I, for myself, will not be turning to Nikon, because I have too much invested in Canon glass and I'm not making any money out of my photography. So I won't buy the D800. Guess I will be sticking with my 40D for another while. I have the money, but I won't buy the 5D 3 either, because next to each other the photos of the 5D 3 aren't worth looking at when compared to those of the D800. We're not even talking about the price difference here. I am a faithfull Canon customer, but very disapointed in Canon's marketing strategy. Sticking to 22 Mp will cost them a lot of money. But that's only my opinion.
I saw the 5Dmark iii for real and the real raw files in front of me on the computer screen for the first time today and I was extremely impressed (it belonged to a veteran pro friend and he was using it for product photography) any doubts I had about purchasing it myself vanished when I saw how tack sharp those unprocessed raw files were.
I recommend you stop passing judgement on the camera based purely on what you've read/seen on the internet, instead ask one of your local pros if they mind showing you firsthand what the camera can do!
 
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I remember years ago when the megapixel craze really started. I had an XTi and a photographer friend asked me to explain to him why megapixels were important. They were tons of cameras that had more megapixels and his question was 'why is your camera that has less megapixels better than this point and shoot that has more?' He told me I would be asked that a lot. And he's right, over the years, I was. And every time it was by some one who really didn't understand what it meant. More has never meant better in the photography industry. But people still chase that dragon like it's the only thing that matters. I cannot wrap it around my head why you (and many others) are jumping up and down over this. After years of following the 5D2, I can honestly say that the majority of people never asked for more megapixels. They asked for better resolution, better autofocus and better low light performance. What they asked for is what Canon delivered.
 
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The real reason why Nikon put a 36 megapickle sensor in the D800, is because Canon are selling so many more cameras than Nikon, and Nikon was depserate to have some extraordinary headline in order to try and get sales, even if that meant that the camera is lacking in the features that TURE PHOTOGRAPHERS really want and need.
No decent photographer needs even 22mp, but 36 is just asking for trouble as high ISO shooting is affected, and the FPS of the D800 is sorely lacking.
The 5D3 is a very well rounded camera and very useful for anyone from pros down.
It's a camera you do almost anything with from landscapes, to action - even in the dark, to portraits and the most demanding of all, weddings.

We'll see what sells more in a few months from now, the Nikon D800 or the 5D3.
I bet the 5D3 outsells it by a large margin just as every Canon outsells the equivalent Nikon model now.

From many of the photos I've seen, especially ones taken using high ISO settings, I think the Canon is superior.

And no, I Don't have a 5D3, or even have one on order.

Anyway, by the time you have to buy the Nikon software, which you get for free with the Canon, there isn't much of a price difference.
 
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Bennymiata said:
No decent photographer needs even 22mp, but 36 is just asking for trouble as high ISO shooting is affected, and the FPS of the D800 is sorely lacking.

There are photographers that use 180MP digital backs, and the are pretty 'true'.
Some need high MP, some do not, it all depends on what they are doing. Believe it or not there is more then one type of photographer out there.
 
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Let me ask you some questions. How many people will actually buy a $3499.99 body only camera? And how many of those will actually understand MP does not mean everything. It is how those pixels perform, instead of how many you have packed inside.

Unfortunately, I don't think you should buy 5D3, because you don't even understand the basics. Even your 40D seems too much for you. Just buy Sony Cybershot WX7, 16MP! 6 Million more pixels than your 40D for a lot cheaper. Happy?
 
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weber said:
Let me ask you some questions. How many people will actually buy a $3499.99 body only camera? And how many of those will actually understand MP does not mean everything. It is how those pixels perform, instead of how many you have packed inside.

Me - I have done it twice

weber said:
Unfortunately, I don't think you should buy 5D3, because you don't even understand the basics. Even your 40D seems too much for you. Just buy Sony Cybershot WX7, 16MP! 6 Million more pixels than your 40D for a lot cheaper. Happy?

I find that rather rude talking down to someone like that >:( >:( >:(
 
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