Comparing my 60d with my new 5d3 not seeing much of a difference.

[KKCFamilyman]

I am having a hard time comparing photos at various iso's between the two in real life around the house shots any suggestions that anyone has would be great on how to test this during my return period. So far it has better color saturation and lower noise but it's still there. Maybe it's the kit lens but if so that's all I can afford right now. Ohh yeah and I do like the auto shutter speed you can set. Those who said it does not work just don't realize if the camera cannot shoot at your max set iso it will lower the shutter speed. That is a good thing. It's like people would want it not to work. Either way any good testing suggestions would be great. Also it seems like the 24-105 is really not that far of a zoom. I think if I keep it I will have to invest in a zoom before a prime.

 

[Marsu42]

I am having a hard time comparing photos at various iso's between the two in real life around the house shots any suggestions that anyone has would be great on how to test this during my return period.

Watch out for flying objects in your direction ... seriously: the 24-105 might be a "kit" lens, but it's a very good one - so that's not your problem. And since the 5d is not an aps-c camera with "built-in" 1.6x teleconverter, it appears much shorter on full frame. And increased iso range does not mean you can shoot with f4 in the dark expecting no noise - wait another 10-20 years for that, but by then Canon will probably be bought by Sony.

If you look at your current photographic ability and your budget, you might want to consider returning the 5d3 and get a some nice lenses to experiment with focal lengths and depth of field ... after all changing lenses is part of what a dslr is about. Did I mention the 60d/5d2 runs the stellar "magic lantern" firmware addon while the 7d/5d3 does not ? You can then buy the 5dx or 5d4 once it's out...

 

[unkbob]

If you can't tell the difference between a 60D and a 5D3, then the simple solution is to return the 5D3 and save yourself 3 grand. A fancy camera doesn't improve your eye or make colours so amazing that unicorns magically appear in a cloud of pixie dust and dance around in exultation - you'll have to wait for the mark iv for that.

FWIW I would much rather have a 5D / 5D2 and some nice lenses than a 5D3 and just the 24-105. Lenses are everything. In good light with the same lens, a $600 5D and a $3000 5D3 produce very similar images. Stick a 50L on a 5D and you'll be able to create images that a 5D3 with a zoom lens would be incapable of.

 

[Radiating]

I am having a hard time comparing photos at various iso's between the two in real life around the house shots any suggestions that anyone has would be great on how to test this during my return period. So far it has better color saturation and lower noise but it's still there. Maybe it's the kit lens but if so that's all I can afford right now. Ohh yeah and I do like the auto shutter speed you can set. Those who said it does not work just don't realize if the camera cannot shoot at your max set iso it will lower the shutter speed. That is a good thing. It's like people would want it not to work. Either way any good testing suggestions would be great. Also it seems like the 24-105 is really not that far of a zoom. I think if I keep it I will have to invest in a zoom before a prime.

If you really can't see the difference between a 5D mark III and a 60D then it's probably too much camera for you. The difference between the two is probably the greatest difference between two DSLRs in any given generation, ever.

The difference is groundbreaking when compared to what you see between any other two cameras. I'm also not sure why you're criticizing the 5D3 for "still having noise" despite it being lower. The 5D3 isn't magically embued with the power to defy the laws of physics. Light has noise on a quantum level because the particles themselves arive randomly on the sensor. The more particles you collect, the lower the noise because the randomness averages out.

The 5D3 collects around 6 (SIX) times as many light particles as the 60D, that's obscenely huge, in the camera world a 30% difference is considered a big improvement. In fact the 5D3 collects around twice as much light as the 5D2 (based on initial comparisons), and the 5D2 collects just under 3 times as much light as the 60D (according to DXO mark).

Your kit lens has nothing to do with noise and color.

Anyways here's what the difference is:

The difference is very obvious, again six times less noise

 

[prestonpalmer]

Yikes. If you cant see the difference between 60D and 5DIII photos, something is very VERY wrong.

 

[thien135]

According to what u said, I would say "return the 5d3" because u are not able to handle it yet. (No offense)

 

[V8Beast]

I can think of two scenarios in which the difference in IQ between a 60D and 5DIII wouldn't be obvious:

1) You've refined you're technique so much, that you're able to get such outstanding results from a 60D that rivals that of a 5DIII.

2) You've never quite pushed the limits of the 60D, in which case better equipment won't do much for your image at all.

If #1 were the case, however, you should be able to apply that same technique set to the 5DIII, and get some truly stunning results. It's like I tell my wannabe wine buddies. If you can't tell the difference between a $5 bottle and a $50 bottle, by all means save your money and drink the $5 bottle.

 

[AKCalixto]

Bump the ISO up to 6400 and let me know if can notice any difference!

 

[KKCFamilyman]

Those are valid comments but either way I know enough to say that the difference is not that noticeable to me so far just shooting around the house. The camera definetly addresses some noise issues I suffered from the 60d and i had a chance to shoot a video of my daughter today with the all-i comp. it was unbelievable and blew away the 60d. I have only used it a day. I guess i was just looking for some benchmark suggestions but i would love to grow with this camera and the 5d2 af system just won't work for me. I also think the raw conversions will get better as the camera has been out a little while so I am still on the fence. I did go out with the family today and came back with great shots aside from a few user errors. I will update again when i have a chance to post tommorrow how its going. How can I post samples here to show you?

 

[KKCFamilyman]

Bump the ISO up to 6400 and let me know if can notice any difference!

I did and its noticeable but with jpegs it just retains more detail. I have had mixed results with lr4 and dpp with raw conversions.

 

[Hillsilly]

The 60D is a good camera. While you would be able to see a diferrence in side by side shot comparisons with a 5Diii, for real life use, the differences are largely immaterial unless you are shooting at high ISOs, printing BIG or seeking more background blur.

 

[drjlo]

In good lighting, viewed on usual web size, there really should not be huge difference bet. 60D and 5D III. Heck, even iPhone produces decent photos in good lighting when viewed on the web. I like the sensor on 7D/60D/600D/550D, which is basically the same sensor.

It's when lighting becomes poor or when you need better Al Servo type AF for moving objects, the keeper rate goes up a lot with 5D III IME.

 

[scottkinfw]

Another possibility would be to try to hook up with a photographer who is more advanced and have him put it through its paces for you. Try photography meetups on the web-people love to help in these meetups.

Although there will be an occasional clunker, I went to a camera store today, and they told me they had no returns on all the 5DEIII's they sold.

sek

Those are valid comments but either way I know enough to say that the difference is not that noticeable to me so far just shooting around the house. The camera definetly addresses some noise issues I suffered from the 60d and i had a chance to shoot a video of my daughter today with the all-i comp. it was unbelievable and blew away the 60d. I have only used it a day. I guess i was just looking for some benchmark suggestions but i would love to grow with this camera and the 5d2 af system just won't work for me. I also think the raw conversions will get better as the camera has been out a little while so I am still on the fence. I did go out with the family today and came back with great shots aside from a few user errors. I will update again when i have a chance to post tommorrow how its going. How can I post samples here to show you?

 

[cMojo]

I'd have to agree that if one doesn't see a difference between the two, then it's probably best to just return the camera and use some of the savings to book an appointment with a good opthamologist.

 

[unkbob]

the 5d2 af system just won't work for me.

Because that's what you've read on the internet. I and thousands of others have used the 5d2 professionally without any problems and unless you're a sports photographer it will be more than surplus to your requirements. If you can't even tell the difference between a 60D and a 5D3, you're not going to be creatively stifled by the 5D2.

 

[KKCFamilyman]

Here is a pic from the 5d3.
It is great. I just shot my wife on working on the laptop under a light with a dark background. I do like the shots better than the 60d. I guess my expectations where so high that I would just be able to point an shoot and if the dof, shutter speed, iso, exposure where right then I would have these photos that where like the ones Canon posts when a new camera comes out. I know I still have a lot to go with but there are a lot of little feautures I bought this for:
Better Video
ISO performance
AF points being that there are more to manually select
being able to set the min shutter and iso for p modes (when the wife uses it)
more natural light indoor shots
image comparision during playback
ai servo 3 for when my wife and I run races and people can pass you at that last second
dual card slots
I do feel that when the raw conversions for lightroom finalize the pictures will be better. I also feel that when I add some primes I will know the camera better. I know this has way more than I will ever need but that was the point to get something I will not feel I will outgrow.

I basically outgrew the 60d for the simple fact that the iso is not as clean above 800-3200 and I know that the better I learn this camera then I can have those clean iso's. I also want to be able to shoot a stop above what I do now to retain my chosen dof and double my shutter speed with the active children hoping for less blurr. If the readers still think I should return this then please tell me since that is why I asked.

 

[keithfullermusic]

My 50D handles 400 ISO with ease, so the 60D should be at least as good.

 

[KKCFamilyman]

Here is a pic from the 5d3.
It is great. I just shot my wife on working on the laptop under a light with a dark background. I do like the shots better than the 60d. I guess my expectations where so high that I would just be able to point an shoot and if the dof, shutter speed, iso, exposure where right then I would have these photos that where like the ones Canon posts when a new camera comes out. I know I still have a lot to go with but there are a lot of little feautures I bought this for:
Better Video
ISO performance
AF points being that there are more to manually select
being able to set the min shutter and iso for p modes (when the wife uses it)
more natural light indoor shots
image comparision during playback
ai servo 3 for when my wife and I run races and people can pass you at that last second
dual card slots
I do feel that when the raw conversions for lightroom finalize the pictures will be better. I also feel that when I add some primes I will know the camera better. I know this has way more than I will ever need but that was the point to get something I will not feel I will outgrow.

I basically outgrew the 60d for the simple fact that the iso is not as clean above 800-3200 and I know that the better I learn this camera then I can have those clean iso's. I also want to be able to shoot a stop above what I do now to retain my chosen dof and double my shutter speed with the active children hoping for less blurr. If the readers still think I should return this then please tell me since that is why I asked.

Sorry here is the pic there is a slight bit of vingetting but I know pp can fix that.
f4.5 1/125 iso5000 105mm

 

[D.Sim]

Try shooting at 25600 ISO and see the difference.... the 60D should show quite a bit of noi....... waitamminit




also: if you're shooting flowers at ISO 400 and seeing noise.... just what are you doing? Post more shots?

 

[KKCFamilyman]

Here is my cat in manual 1/100 f4 iso 10000 105mm just converted raw in lr4.1. I mean this room is very low light as in no lights on accept the adjacent room I was in and I think it is pretty clean for such a poor lighting condition so yeah just from that I can guarantee my 60d would not do that unless I had a low f stop and still it would be a challenge. If anyone thinks it is not a good shot feel free to chime in. I'm not insulted. I just love photography.