rumorzmonger said:
Judging by your comment above.... I would be surprised if you didn't work for Canon marketing. ;D
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Judging by your comment above.... I would be surprised if you didn't work for Canon marketing. ;D
Does anyone remember the film days, when a new camera model was introduced every five years or more? Now anything over a year and people are freaking out. I started on the fantastic manual Pentax K1000 which had about a 20 year production run (and I am pretty sure is the best selling camera model of all time).
OK, the t5i does seem unnecessary - why not stick with t4i? But the SL1 I think is great and I am glad they offer it body only. Not for use with large lenses, but with a 20mm Voigtlander pancake for the ultimate quality point and shoot. If I can save up, I may go this route.
Funny how people think 18MP is not enough in an entry level crop sensor camera, yet I see very few complaints about the flagship full frame pro camera 1DX being only 18MP. The rebel line is entry level - do you really think its users are making 40x60 inch enlargements? (I work at a pro lab and I am virtually certain the SL1 and t5i will make very nice enlargements up to 24x36 inches - how many people need more?).
As for AFMA, I use a 5D2, I have large aperture lenses, and I have never had a need for AFMA. Plus, no one is using large aperture lenses on these cameras and it would just be another confusing menu item. I teach beginning photo classes at my lab and trust me, there are way too many menu options already - the average person does not want and will never use all those settings.
OK, the t5i does seem unnecessary - why not stick with t4i? But the SL1 I think is great and I am glad they offer it body only. Not for use with large lenses, but with a 20mm Voigtlander pancake for the ultimate quality point and shoot. If I can save up, I may go this route.
Funny how people think 18MP is not enough in an entry level crop sensor camera, yet I see very few complaints about the flagship full frame pro camera 1DX being only 18MP. The rebel line is entry level - do you really think its users are making 40x60 inch enlargements? (I work at a pro lab and I am virtually certain the SL1 and t5i will make very nice enlargements up to 24x36 inches - how many people need more?).
As for AFMA, I use a 5D2, I have large aperture lenses, and I have never had a need for AFMA. Plus, no one is using large aperture lenses on these cameras and it would just be another confusing menu item. I teach beginning photo classes at my lab and trust me, there are way too many menu options already - the average person does not want and will never use all those settings.
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MrFotoFool said:
Well, the $650 body-only price will need to calm down to more reasonable street price before I consider SL1, but stick the Canon 40 mm f/2.8 lens most of us have anyway, and it should be nicely portable and sharp.
Still, if Canon doesn't bring some REAL improvements for next generation of bodies, more customers for Sonikon
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Gear doesn't matter, Just a Matter of Convenience.
Canon failed at a mirrorless camera so they said, "Lets just make the SLR really small. So small the advantage is lost to not having a mirror" Voila! The SL1. Personally, If it was a FF camera that size, We'd all have our minds blown.
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Does anyone remember the film days, when a new camera model was introduced every five years or more? Now anything over a year and people are freaking out. I started on the fantastic manual Pentax K1000 which had about a 20 year production run (and I am pretty sure is the best selling camera model of all time).
I never had a really nice camera until mane my 3mp fuji finepix. And that was a world of difference.
OK, the t5i does seem unnecessary - why not stick with t4i? But the SL1 I think is great and I am glad they offer it body only. Not for use with large lenses, but with a 20mm Voigtlander pancake for the ultimate quality point and shoot. If I can save up, I may go this route.
the t5i is nothing but a marketing name, but I think the other is still to big. there is a reason slrs are big and that is ergonomics and inertia.
Funny how people think 18MP is not enough in an entry level crop sensor camera, yet I see very few complaints about the flagship full frame pro camera 1DX being only 18MP. The rebel line is entry level - do you really think its users are making 40x60 inch enlargements? (I work at a pro lab and I am virtually certain the SL1 and t5i will make very nice enlargements up to 24x36 inches - how many people need more?).
I'm not concerned about megapixels, but I do crop into my images often. if it is a moving target, it is easier to compose in post. that's where I find megapixels come in handy.
As for AFMA, I use a 5D2, I have large aperture lenses, and I have never had a need for AFMA. Plus, no one is using large aperture lenses on these cameras and it would just be another confusing menu item. I teach beginning photo classes at my lab and trust me, there are way too many menu options already - the average person does not want and will never use all those settings.
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the best value lens for beginners is the 50mm f1.8. One hundred bucks and you get great images and depth of field. afma would havebeenimportant to me then ( when I started) as it is to me today.
I never had a really nice camera until mane my 3mp fuji finepix. And that was a world of difference.
OK, the t5i does seem unnecessary - why not stick with t4i? But the SL1 I think is great and I am glad they offer it body only. Not for use with large lenses, but with a 20mm Voigtlander pancake for the ultimate quality point and shoot. If I can save up, I may go this route.
the t5i is nothing but a marketing name, but I think the other is still to big. there is a reason slrs are big and that is ergonomics and inertia.
Funny how people think 18MP is not enough in an entry level crop sensor camera, yet I see very few complaints about the flagship full frame pro camera 1DX being only 18MP. The rebel line is entry level - do you really think its users are making 40x60 inch enlargements? (I work at a pro lab and I am virtually certain the SL1 and t5i will make very nice enlargements up to 24x36 inches - how many people need more?).
I'm not concerned about megapixels, but I do crop into my images often. if it is a moving target, it is easier to compose in post. that's where I find megapixels come in handy.
As for AFMA, I use a 5D2, I have large aperture lenses, and I have never had a need for AFMA. Plus, no one is using large aperture lenses on these cameras and it would just be another confusing menu item. I teach beginning photo classes at my lab and trust me, there are way too many menu options already - the average person does not want and will never use all those settings.
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the best value lens for beginners is the 50mm f1.8. One hundred bucks and you get great images and depth of field. afma would havebeenimportant to me then ( when I started) as it is to me today.
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interpilot said:
this image was not taken with t5i aka kiss x7i, it was taken with sl1 aka x7. i am not sure as if anyone interest in seeing images taken with t5i? but if you do, i have some (a portrait shot with 1600 iso is the highest iso image i have... pretty clean image).
note: recently found out that they have updated their website with all 8 images from t5i, so i do not need to post them up. here is the link http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos700d/
another thing is that i am not sure why people are complaining about this one. canon did not say that they are majorly upgrading nor minor upgrading this to t4i, but just said that a new version. like someone in this threat has said that you will find a new model of car every year, but the different might be just lights...
canon, pleaseeee release your 7d mark ii....
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
No... if he was working for canon, his response would be along the lines of "and know what you can do with your tax refund, go spend it on the new ground breaking canon T5i and the industry leading 18-135! A camera so good even jackie chan uses it!"
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Good lord, this is why I need to stay away from the Canon forums for a few days after an announcement. If you guys took pictures half as well as you whined about Canon, you'd all be professionals (and ironically, would complain far less about rebel series SLRs).
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Ricku said:
99% is much to much - esp. Canon lenses on Canon cameras are most of the time absolutely usable w/o afma. But Canon's rationale is simple: They want to prevent photogs using expensive lenses on cheap cameras, which otherwise would be a good idea because glass keeps the value longer - so you are forced to upgrade to a €1000+ body which is guaranteed Canon's profit other than 3rd party lenses.
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Here is a nice short review of hands on with a pre-production SL1.
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/03/21/first-impressions-canon-rebel-sl1/
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/03/21/first-impressions-canon-rebel-sl1/
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Canon-F1 said:
Of course I would love a lexus, but if I could only afford a Hyundai, I wouldn't expect to get high end lexus features in the Hyundai. If you can only afford this camera, save up like just about anyone has to do, or if your set on getting this level of camera, send in your camera/lenses to be calibrated together...
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awinphoto said:
well that´s one way to see it.
in my opinion AFMA is there so canon can get away with higher manufacturing tolerances.
it would only be FAIR when canon offers AFMA in all bodys so we can correct canon manufacturing errors ourself.
in the end everyone pays the same for a 85mm f1.2.. not?
a 600D user does not get a lens cheaper then a 1D X user.
the "cheap body customers don´t own expensive glass" argument is no argument and it´s wrong.
when you are clever, you buy the best glass and a cheaper body... not the other way around.
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