How many of you believe that the new 5Ds (R) actually using the Canon 5 Layer UV, IR, RGB Sensor patent.
Could the 5Ds (R) be using the 5 Layer UV, IR, RGB Sensor?
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Traditionally Canon has been conservative, I would not expect them to have this sensor in the 5ds
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I would think they would have flaunted a totally new technology, ground-breaking sensor, if it were the case...
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Diko said:
Can't say.... not soon. First they need to fix the DR many people are asking for... it is a threat to Canon if people defect, they would be interested in fixing this, but it seems they are not able to hence this stop gap 5Ds model...
I would expect new sensor tech in the 5d4 or 1dxii... towards Q4 to address the DR.
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K-amps said:
It looks like the DR could be improved on the 5Ds after all. Here's a quote from Northlight Images:
[quote author="Northlight Images"]
8th An interesting comment (thanks), coming via testing a pre-release 5Dsr with a test version of DPP4. Low ISO DR is put at 1.5-2 stops better than the 1D X, but high ISO performance (6400) falls marginally behind the 7Dmk2.
The sensor is similar to the 7D2 technology, but has apparently been tuned to maximise low ISO performance.
[/quote]
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5ds.html
Plus I've found that the jpegs (ok, not the best starting point) posted by Canon Japan when loaded into LR have a lot of latitude in terms of shadow recovery/exposure boosting before granular/natural looking noise starts to show up.
Regarding the 5 layer sensor, nothing was said about this being a non bayer, foveon style sensor.
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Well,
The new Canon sensor technology is better for ISO, even if it doesn't have a higher ISO. This is comparatively speaking given the pixel density and sensor size. In theory, this technology with a lower pixel density should yield some very high ISO capability.
It isn't unreasonable to think that DR has also improved. Maybe Canon didn't mention it because it isn't a huge increase? Canon tends not to mention something unless it is comparable or better than the competition. That is why they initially ignored the FPS for crop mode. It's not any better.
Some on this forum have said that a sensor cannot be "tuned" to favor higher DR at the expense of ISO. Not sure how true that is. Because there is the sensitivity of the sensor, and then there is the amplification of the information it receives.
If the DR is one EV better, that is a good thing! But it won't be what Nikon/Sony has, and thus not a marketing talking point.
Just have to wait and see the tests....
On the sub-topic of DR in this thread:
Overall, the 5DS will be a success. Pros don't sit there and obsess over DR every day on web-forums. They get out and shoot, because they know that 99.9999% of their shots are within what the camera can do well.
"Dynamic Range Syndrome" is something that afflicts those who have no photographic technique and radically under or over exposes photos because they keep reading that unless they're on manual mode 100% of the time, they're just newbs. Spinning the dial to "M" = Insta Pro.
Yes, having high DR and lifting shadows and other stuff does have a legitimate use by skilled photographers. But I will say this - at least 9/10 users out there are using it as a crutch for their bad technique or lack of technique. That is the cold hard truth whether or not people want to hear it. What these people never understand is, while they can "save" photos - these never have the truly deep, striking, high IQ look that real pros produce. It isn't hard to understand why - sensors do best when fed the proper amount of light. For this reason, they do save photos, but they are mediocre at best. It is these types of users that flood the internet forums with their incessant dynamic range talk.
The new Canon sensor technology is better for ISO, even if it doesn't have a higher ISO. This is comparatively speaking given the pixel density and sensor size. In theory, this technology with a lower pixel density should yield some very high ISO capability.
It isn't unreasonable to think that DR has also improved. Maybe Canon didn't mention it because it isn't a huge increase? Canon tends not to mention something unless it is comparable or better than the competition. That is why they initially ignored the FPS for crop mode. It's not any better.
Some on this forum have said that a sensor cannot be "tuned" to favor higher DR at the expense of ISO. Not sure how true that is. Because there is the sensitivity of the sensor, and then there is the amplification of the information it receives.
If the DR is one EV better, that is a good thing! But it won't be what Nikon/Sony has, and thus not a marketing talking point.
Just have to wait and see the tests....
On the sub-topic of DR in this thread:
Overall, the 5DS will be a success. Pros don't sit there and obsess over DR every day on web-forums. They get out and shoot, because they know that 99.9999% of their shots are within what the camera can do well.
"Dynamic Range Syndrome" is something that afflicts those who have no photographic technique and radically under or over exposes photos because they keep reading that unless they're on manual mode 100% of the time, they're just newbs. Spinning the dial to "M" = Insta Pro.
Yes, having high DR and lifting shadows and other stuff does have a legitimate use by skilled photographers. But I will say this - at least 9/10 users out there are using it as a crutch for their bad technique or lack of technique. That is the cold hard truth whether or not people want to hear it. What these people never understand is, while they can "save" photos - these never have the truly deep, striking, high IQ look that real pros produce. It isn't hard to understand why - sensors do best when fed the proper amount of light. For this reason, they do save photos, but they are mediocre at best. It is these types of users that flood the internet forums with their incessant dynamic range talk.
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IglooEater said:
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There's another thread about the 2 stops. I don't buy it based on what Chuck Westfall said on DPReview. He works for Canon and he was quite direct. I'm really sorry for those that need that 13-14 stops of DR, but Canon decided for whatever reason not to include it.
And personally, i take that to mean their 5D IV and ID x II will not be a significant advance in the DR side as for whatever reason Canon isn't releasing a sensor with that tech. Whether that is because the perceived threat from the D8xx / A7xx has not made a significant impact to Canon's bottom line (ie everyone is losing, and Canon appear relatively in-step % wise), or whether it is because they cant technically or wont invest financially, I have no idea.
Bottom line, no step-changes to Canon sensor design in anything released this year.
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Chuck Westfall says in the interview that it's a scaled up 7DII sensor.
So it's not a 5 layer sensor.
So it's not a 5 layer sensor.
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