Keith_Reeder said:
Having issues with banding, and then being satisfied by switching to Canon... now there's something I'm going to have to scratch my head over for a bit.
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Having issues with banding, and then being satisfied by switching to Canon... now there's something I'm going to have to scratch my head over for a bit.
Re: Nikon D810 Product Advisory
it is not only in crop mode, if you have this camera you know it but it is quite serious issue.
I had it for a couple of weeks, and it is really a big issue.
it sometimes even shows up normal exposure mode such as ISO 6400 1/15th, f4.
it is now a big issue here in Japan and many people here returned it 3 or 4 times to get an acceptable copy.
and this is not first time, but 4 times in a row we found this kind of unacceptable QC issues in recent Nikon FF cameras.
the d600 with dust and shutter issues, the D800 with left AF and sudden freeze up issue, the D4 with battery issue, this one with terrible thermal noise and color issue. I think this is not acceptable at all.
I know all manufactures have some sort of issues but not this bad, and most of what this D810 has over the D800E actually done with FW updates, which Nikon seldom does.
I think most of people even extreme die hard Nikon fans lost respect and faith in them.
as a result , Nikon stock hits really hard and keeps dropping every day.
And for high resolution required work, we do not need or want the mirrorslap anyway, and thus the A7R would be much better choice for most of us.
Nikon is seriously doomed.
ahsanford said:
it is not only in crop mode, if you have this camera you know it but it is quite serious issue.
I had it for a couple of weeks, and it is really a big issue.
it sometimes even shows up normal exposure mode such as ISO 6400 1/15th, f4.
it is now a big issue here in Japan and many people here returned it 3 or 4 times to get an acceptable copy.
and this is not first time, but 4 times in a row we found this kind of unacceptable QC issues in recent Nikon FF cameras.
the d600 with dust and shutter issues, the D800 with left AF and sudden freeze up issue, the D4 with battery issue, this one with terrible thermal noise and color issue. I think this is not acceptable at all.
I know all manufactures have some sort of issues but not this bad, and most of what this D810 has over the D800E actually done with FW updates, which Nikon seldom does.
I think most of people even extreme die hard Nikon fans lost respect and faith in them.
as a result , Nikon stock hits really hard and keeps dropping every day.
And for high resolution required work, we do not need or want the mirrorslap anyway, and thus the A7R would be much better choice for most of us.
Nikon is seriously doomed.
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Re: Nikon D810 Product Advisory
Wouldn't be good for any of us if they were.
I can't help wondering if Sony might buy Nikon from Mitsubishi.
MLfan3 said:
Wouldn't be good for any of us if they were.
I can't help wondering if Sony might buy Nikon from Mitsubishi.
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nowadays problem is, that even system and field tests are "optimized". that means cost optimized.privatebydesign said:
You reduce the test protocols to the min and let the bananas mellow and get yellow in the customers hand.
Pitty, but OTOH todays systems are sometimes so complex, that you cannot cover even 20% of test and use cases.
:-\
But I agree with you: these here should have been tested and detected. Maybe the returns from field test came in too late for the scheduled release...
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Sporgon said:
I received on of the first 5D MK II's about November 27, and a week or so later, on December 8, reports of a issue from black spots appearing on bright highlights when people shot Christmas lights. NR normally made them go away, so many did not see them. I had to review my shots to find one that had them.
On December 15, about two weeks after the first Camera deliveries, Canon announced that they were looking at the issue. Canon modified the firmware to eliminate them. On January 9, three weeks later, Canon issues a firmware update to fix them.
So, it took ~ a whole month from initial reports to verify the issue, develop a firmware update, test it and release it.
How many D810 users will have their camera fixed in a month?
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The 5DII problem has been solved via a firmware update (If I recall correctly 1.07). I remember this issue because solving it was a prerequisite for me to get a 5DII...
Now, to defend Nikon, if I had a D810 and I was doing a long exposure I wouldn't even think of using it at crop mode.
If problems can be solved in firmware and companies are willing to do so all is well.
Now, to defend Nikon, if I had a D810 and I was doing a long exposure I wouldn't even think of using it at crop mode.
If problems can be solved in firmware and companies are willing to do so all is well.
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
Indeed. Plus, Canon's fix was a downloadable firmware update. Reports to date indicate the D810 fix is also a firmware update, but users must bring/send the camera to a service center for the update to be applied. I suppose that's better than a 'fix' of having to wait for then buy the D820, but still... :
Keep grasping those straws, dilbert. I hear they come in handy if you want to suck.
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Re: Nikon D810 Product Advisory
Like the redesigned mirror & shutter mechanism, the complete lack of OLPF, faster processor, and true ISO 64 along with the shot noise and DR benefits it can bring?
That's ironic, b/c the A7R's shutter shock is literally unavoidable (at longer focal lengths), while the D810 at least offers an option for an electronic 1st curtain that - when combined with mirror up+delay - can completely get rid of camera-induced shake. So, despite Nikon's poor implementation of electronic 1st curtain (only available in Mirror Up mode), at least it offers a way to completely eliminate shutter shock. The only way to mitigate it on the A7R is to add a ton of mass to your camera (which kind of defeats the whole point of the little FF wonder), and even then you may or may not completely eliminate it.
MLfan3 said:
Like the redesigned mirror & shutter mechanism, the complete lack of OLPF, faster processor, and true ISO 64 along with the shot noise and DR benefits it can bring?
That's ironic, b/c the A7R's shutter shock is literally unavoidable (at longer focal lengths), while the D810 at least offers an option for an electronic 1st curtain that - when combined with mirror up+delay - can completely get rid of camera-induced shake. So, despite Nikon's poor implementation of electronic 1st curtain (only available in Mirror Up mode), at least it offers a way to completely eliminate shutter shock. The only way to mitigate it on the A7R is to add a ton of mass to your camera (which kind of defeats the whole point of the little FF wonder), and even then you may or may not completely eliminate it.
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neuroanatomist said:Keep grasping those straws, dilbert. I hear they come in handy if you want to suck.
Neuro, you crack me up. ;D
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
I also got my 5DII when it was first released and have never had an issue. Neither have I ever updated the firmware - 'cos I never do
The 5DII must be remembered as one of the best sorted cameras right from its inception; not a good example to use !
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dilbert said:
Except that it's adding features to the 1D C vs. fixing a defect for the D810. Oh, and one is a >$10K camera intended for cinema professionals, and the other is a "versatile camera for versatile shooters."
dilbert said:
A whole month? How tragic. That's assuming they could even get ahold of a copy in December, 2008 since initial availability was pretty limited.
Once again, you've managed to make your comic strip namesake look comparatively brilliant.
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Sporgon said:I also got my 5DII when it was first released and have never had an issue. Neither have I ever updated the firmware - 'cos I never do
The 5DII must be remembered as one of the best sorted cameras right from its inception; not a good example to use !
HEHE.. that makes me chuckle.
dilbert said:
yup, I remember seeing those xmas light black dot examples and I waited until after a FW update before getting one - but no matter what firmware version I ran on mine, it was a bandy bass terd of a camera.
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Aglet said:Sporgon said:I also got my 5DII when it was first released and have never had an issue. Neither have I ever updated the firmware - 'cos I never do
The 5DII must be remembered as one of the best sorted cameras right from its inception; not a good example to use !
HEHE.. that makes me chuckle.
Bet I was chuckling a lot louder when I read your complaints of noise in skies shot on the 5DII.
I stand my my earlier remark; the mkII was ( and still is) a well sorted camera.
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Aglet said:
Weird. You must have had a dud. Couldn't possibly have been user error.
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/inter211/12086336096/
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/inter211/9181846945/in/photostream/
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/flatworldsedge/8113424031/
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/keris-tuah/6115806294/
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3kramd5 said:
Seriously?? How can you possibly conclude the 5DII can deliver good images if you are showing shots that were clearly taken without the lens cap properly covering the lens. As
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3kramd5 said:
I'm sure I did get a dud. Teach me to buy a first run of a new product! (Ooops, i did that again w d800s and XT1, no issues tho except the fuji's light leak)
The 5d2 banding flaw I first noticed in gray midtones and clear blue sky, then discovered I was not the only one complaining about it.
There were 2 sources of vertical banding. One was a FPN read noise with an 8 pixel cycle, like the 7D/60D/etc.
The other was a different issue, and actually the first flaw I'd noticed in the 5D2's smooth midtones. After looking more closely I found the other noise issues. Then I was just seriously annoyed!
But, back to the other banding issue. I've also just discovered it in one of my recently acquired 2nd-hand Fuji XE1s.
About the central third of the sensor is affected. When doing a dust-check at 200mm and f/22, I found this central region was also inhabited by wide bands of slightly lighter-darker areas, but not perfectly regular in alignment. When I shot another test w-o any lens, I could no longer see this issue. So it is some strange sort of interference effect?.. Anyone have a good guess?.. I thot it if was a simple interference it might make radial patterns but it created wider, relatively vertical bands.
When I still had the 5d2 I didn't try a no-lens shot to see if that effect was still there.
If I get some time, I'll post an example from the Fuji, it's very similar.
I suspect it might be minor misalignment of micro-lenses over their pixels producing subtle variations in effective QE.
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Re: Nikon D810 Product Advisory
This is one of the reasons I'm not fond of the idea of adding Nikon to my kit.
Does anyone know if Sony has had any such problems, and if so, how their customer support of the issue/turnaround time on a fix is?
Mt Spokane Photography said:
This is one of the reasons I'm not fond of the idea of adding Nikon to my kit.
Does anyone know if Sony has had any such problems, and if so, how their customer support of the issue/turnaround time on a fix is?
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