Describe the 6D in one word...
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I think its a upgrade path from Rebel users and those who want FF at the lowest price point. Like all products, some will find it fits their needs, and others will prefer something different.
Canon is good at having a wide range of products - something for everyone.
I ordered one of the $2750 5D MK III's, I'd not try to save 500 for the 6D, if it turns out as expected. However, I'd certainly consider it if I was moving up from a Rebel.
Canon is good at having a wide range of products - something for everyone.
I ordered one of the $2750 5D MK III's, I'd not try to save 500 for the 6D, if it turns out as expected. However, I'd certainly consider it if I was moving up from a Rebel.
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I want to know why they are including GPS when I have to spend extra $$$$ to get that on my 1Dx. It's a crock of smelly horse ****. Sorry, more than one word, but I think Canon has their head firmly planed up their a$$es sometimes.
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Yeah, the more I think about it, it's a FF Rebel more than anything, with the SD card and Scene Modes.
But then i think about my friends with Rebels (well, mostly xxxD and one Kiss because he got it from Japan). Almost all of them have EFs lenses, barring a few with a 50/1.8 II (I even know someone with a 17-55/2.8 on an 1100D).
So if they upgrade to the 6D, yes, for them it's a genuine upgrade. But they'll have to get a whole new lens kit anyway.
With this release, Canon's banking on the fact that most of them won't bother changing systems out of 'subconscious loyalty' (or whatever you want to call it), ignorance that the D600 exists and is way better, or that they really like DPP being free (if they use it at all, i know most of my friends don't), or they're like my mother and have a genuine phobia of second-hand and won't get a 5D2.
But then i think about my friends with Rebels (well, mostly xxxD and one Kiss because he got it from Japan). Almost all of them have EFs lenses, barring a few with a 50/1.8 II (I even know someone with a 17-55/2.8 on an 1100D).
So if they upgrade to the 6D, yes, for them it's a genuine upgrade. But they'll have to get a whole new lens kit anyway.
With this release, Canon's banking on the fact that most of them won't bother changing systems out of 'subconscious loyalty' (or whatever you want to call it), ignorance that the D600 exists and is way better, or that they really like DPP being free (if they use it at all, i know most of my friends don't), or they're like my mother and have a genuine phobia of second-hand and won't get a 5D2.
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Although I abstained so as to not taint the vote, I have to say "I'm excited! No, really!".
Because I didn't get around to listing my 5D2 for sale yet! ;D
EDIT: although now i'm worried it might be 11 cross, 1 super precision and hidden assits, in which case i may have just taken a soaking on my used 5D2, damn new i needed to get it sold last week.... but so busy shooting stuff
Because I didn't get around to listing my 5D2 for sale yet! ;D
EDIT: although now i'm worried it might be 11 cross, 1 super precision and hidden assits, in which case i may have just taken a soaking on my used 5D2, damn new i needed to get it sold last week.... but so busy shooting stuff
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One sentence: Death knell of APS-C DSLRs above the Rebel line.
Woops, it is still $2000, not $1400, tsk.
Woops, it is still $2000, not $1400, tsk.
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Several words come to mind.
However, I'm biting my tongue until I read a Canon press release.
Let them have their say; then I'll have mine.
Several words come to mind.
However, I'm biting my tongue until I read a Canon press release.
Let them have their say; then I'll have mine.
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It's a video-DSLR for former Rebel users who have acquired a few prime lenses and they want to study film in college, so will sell their $700-1000 crop body and buy the 6D instead.
Who's to say that Canon won't discontinue the 5D2 before end-2012 (the 6D will be available from October) and then all of those aspiring Indie-filmmakers will have no option, but to get a 6D. They care more about ISO and low light + 60fps than they do about DR or AFMA (never mind AI Servo), plus for video an SDXC card is perfectly adequate as long as it can write at 5MB or 10MB/sec.
Also if this sensor (like the T4i) has continuous AF in video and is compatible with the new STM lenses, it will be a huge incentive to get this body and not a used 5D2
Who's to say that Canon won't discontinue the 5D2 before end-2012 (the 6D will be available from October) and then all of those aspiring Indie-filmmakers will have no option, but to get a 6D. They care more about ISO and low light + 60fps than they do about DR or AFMA (never mind AI Servo), plus for video an SDXC card is perfectly adequate as long as it can write at 5MB or 10MB/sec.
Also if this sensor (like the T4i) has continuous AF in video and is compatible with the new STM lenses, it will be a huge incentive to get this body and not a used 5D2
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insulting.
if they think i'm going to pay 2100 dollars for that, then i am definitely insulted. As someone who owns a 5DC and a 24-105(with some other stuff too,) I can honestly say that the D600 destroys this camera spec wise. And based on the sensor/DR ratings of the D800 vs 5DIII I don't have much faith that the sensor will be as good as the Nikon's.... much less surpass it.
I don't even consider this as an upgrade to the 5DII, and that camera was $1900 new a year ago, with tons of free stuff from Adorama(and I didn't buy it then.)
This camera is DOA for me.
if they think i'm going to pay 2100 dollars for that, then i am definitely insulted. As someone who owns a 5DC and a 24-105(with some other stuff too,) I can honestly say that the D600 destroys this camera spec wise. And based on the sensor/DR ratings of the D800 vs 5DIII I don't have much faith that the sensor will be as good as the Nikon's.... much less surpass it.
I don't even consider this as an upgrade to the 5DII, and that camera was $1900 new a year ago, with tons of free stuff from Adorama(and I didn't buy it then.)
This camera is DOA for me.
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If the initial price point is 2100... I think it will sink to 1700 after a year. But I still would prefer to get a 5d mk ii refurb from Canon. The problem is that those will go out of stock before I can save up the cash to do so. Crap. I guess a refurb 6D from Canon is on the horizon for me.
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Right with you guys on this one. Not interested. A FF sensor in a Rebel body for a big price jump.... too big for the typical Rebel customer who won't know that sensors come in different sizes. I'd vote "FF Rebel" but I have to vote "Meh" for obvious reasons.
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My one word... "Fail". Basically a 5DMK2 w/ built in GPS/WIFI. Why even waste the time designing a new sensor? Why charge the pro body users for GPS/WIFI?? This is irritating. Why not recycle an existing AF that's popular (like the 7D).
Not sure what Canon was thinking on this one. I guess time will tell. I'll be interested to see how well this sells.
Not sure what Canon was thinking on this one. I guess time will tell. I'll be interested to see how well this sells.
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It's not "a Rebel body".
It appears to be a lighter, smaller version of the 5D2, with an SD card slot instead of CF. It is almost the same size as, and a little lighter than, a 7D. It likely offers much better high ISO than either a 7D or 5D2 (it has the same ISO range as the 5D3).
I'll be interested to learn more about the autofocus: how good overall, how many cross-type AF points and does it offer AFMA?
Keep in mind that the 5D2 was introduced at $2,700 and is now $1,900. That's a 26% price reduction over 4 years. If this new 6D has the same price reduction, it will drop to $1,475 over four years.
It appears to be a lighter, smaller version of the 5D2, with an SD card slot instead of CF. It is almost the same size as, and a little lighter than, a 7D. It likely offers much better high ISO than either a 7D or 5D2 (it has the same ISO range as the 5D3).
I'll be interested to learn more about the autofocus: how good overall, how many cross-type AF points and does it offer AFMA?
Keep in mind that the 5D2 was introduced at $2,700 and is now $1,900. That's a 26% price reduction over 4 years. If this new 6D has the same price reduction, it will drop to $1,475 over four years.
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DB said:
I didn't see 1080p60 on the spec list, but I think it's ridiculous that it (and every other Canon DSLR doesn't have 1080p60 while the $600 Sony A57 and lots of other much cheaper cameras do.
And I don't think indie filmmakers will only have the 6D as an option, the 5D2 was one of the best-selling DSLR's of all time and there are more than I can count on Craigslist right now and I'm sure they'll be around for a while. And there are lots of other alternatives coming around, I think Canon is slipping, I hate to say it but it's true.
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DarkKnightNine
The best camera is the one that's with you.
As an owner of the 5D Mark III and 1DX, this camera with it's shiny new built-in Wifi and GPS just feels like a giant kick it the balls. At the very least Canon should have built-in the wireless radio transmitter for firing the new flashes into the 1D series bodies. That would have proven that they had their customers needs in mind over lining their pockets with huge profit margins. Yes they would have made less profit than selling it as a separate unit but still won out in mind share (which leads to larger profits in the long run). As long as we just keep forking over our hard earned money without complaint, Canon has no reason to ever consider changing. It's time we get pissed off over their ridiculous corporate greed of late and voice it.
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