How would I remove the problem of beating wings of insect or birds being faster than the rolling shutter? Cut their wings off?
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Early Canon EOS R6 Mark III Specifications
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It’s now been reduced to the same level as with a mechanical shutter, what’s your point?
They pretty much just did it. Did you notice that the R1 has a higher X-sync speed on ES than on MS? It’s electronic shutter is faster than it’s mechanical.
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Wonder if R6 III will have clog2 like the R5 II and R1. It would only makes sense for them to add that so the cameras work nicely together.
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Nobody gives a crap about this carbon footprint nonsense. Stop sucking up to the climate change cult and just live your life like a normal person. But yes, shooting 8K isn't practical.
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Then those people are actually dumb. The AF performance is a huge downgrade. And those adapters are not cheap. They can cost as much as the RF28 pancake.
The sensible justifications for going to Nikon nowadays is you are birder, and all you need is the 400/600/800PF primes. That's something Canon Sony are unmatched.
From your comments so far I can see you are not pleased with Canon for something you're not going to consider from the beginning. R6-series having quick(relatively) refreshes like old Sony is doing good for everyone. The already excellent R6 R6ii can become cheaper. If anyone wanted more megapixes there's R and R5, plus the AI upscaling.
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There's a post further back by neuro that puts some numbers to this - he's right about that. The point is that rolling shutter happens with mechanical shutters, that's actually where the term comes from. The reason you don't see it in movies & TV shows shot with film is because the professionals working with their equipment take care to make sure they aren't affected & thus you don't see it. It's been there since the first shutter based camera was invented.
Sigh. Did Canon say the R1 had a global shutter? No. Canon's global shutter is in the 19MP sensor. We have to wait until Canon gets that technology into the sensors for the cameras we use before the problem of rolling shutter in Canon MILCs will be solved.
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Why should I be pleased? Just because Canon comes out with a new camera I have to love it? Based on the specs I've seen thus far, the R6-III seems to me to be a dud when compared with what Sony & Nikon are delivery at the same price point or level of camera. The R1 is a brilliant piece of engineering in a camera and I think Canon is just cashing in on its name with the R6-III (based on the specs that I've seen so far.)
But as CR guy would remind me, who am I but another Internet freak in the corner shaking their first at the sky... unless there are lots more that feel like I do, my opinions are irrelevent.
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They did what I do now - use mechanical shutter in those situations for single shots. But, that won’t work for pre-burst modes where ES is essential, and they didn’t have that in the good old days. And they couldn’t shoot at 30 fps like on my R7 in ES.
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That's correct, indeed it does, but do you see sports photographers having rolling shutter issues with the mechanical shutter? I don't. So, if we have an electronic shutter that's as fast as a mechanical shutter, which has been the industry standard for decades, and is proved to be competent...problem solved, no?
I'll take the high ISO performance and extra dynamic range any day over dropping to APS-C performance level. We "all" go full-frame for a reason, right?
I'll also take the ability to shoot in a audio recording environment without disturbing anyone, the smaller delay when pressing the shutter button, the extra framerate for burst shooting, etc
Others will take the ability to shoot wildlife without disturbing their subjects, for instance, not to mention pre-burst shooting.
So, what are Sony and Nikon delivering at the same price point, that Canon will not, if the R6 III comes out according to these rumors? I see an a7 IV and a Z6 III. One has a higher resolution sensor, but shoots at 6fps mechanical and 10fps electronic, with considerable rolling shutter, and the other one features a half-stacked CMOS sensor. Sounds to me like this R6 III would be packing the most advanced sensor and autofocus technologies, among those three cameras.
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That was an attempt at a joke about all the people arguing and slagging off cameras that didn’t even exist yet.
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A lot of these complaints about the 2 year cycle seem more about the fear of missing out or the potential displeasure at seeing the impending obsolescence of your model on an accelerated schedule, rather than based on any analysis of what’s best for Canon or their customers as a whole.
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Having owned my R8 for nearly a year and my R6ii for over 10 months...I have to say that I was initially irked by the fact that the sensor readout was too slow for Birds in flight with flappy wings when using the Electronic Shutter. So I used the 1st curtain shutter and used 12fps...to be honest...that's still a lot of photos per second. When I have engaged the 30fps ES..I'm usually overwhelmed with images to choose from and I switch back to 1st curtain shutter. For me 12fps is more than enough, I seem to be able to capture what I need with it. I'm also not convinced the R6ii's AF can actually keep up with 30fps.
The R8's weakest feature is it's low resolution EVF. The R8's EVF is dysmal compared to the R6ii's EVF. But i sometimes find that I can see the limited pixels on my R6II's viewfinder too. So a 5+mp EVF ported from the R5 would be very welcome.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't directly replace my R6ii with a R6iii. I'd probably replace my R8 with a R6iii and use the R6ii as my 2nd body.
The R8's weakest feature is it's low resolution EVF. The R8's EVF is dysmal compared to the R6ii's EVF. But i sometimes find that I can see the limited pixels on my R6II's viewfinder too. So a 5+mp EVF ported from the R5 would be very welcome.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't directly replace my R6ii with a R6iii. I'd probably replace my R8 with a R6iii and use the R6ii as my 2nd body.
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No one force you to love it. This is getting tiring and unnecessary. These are rumour specs, you are taking it serious.
For 2500USD mid-range cameras. Canon's "dullness" makes much more sense than a7iv and Z6iii.
Sony is giving more pixels but crippled 4k50/60 crop, heavy rolling shutter and slow burst. If you're still-focused you should go for the good old a7r3a.
Nikon is going a bizarre way of "half stacked" that tries to compete itself with a7s3, yet doesn't have good log profiles except Prores.
R6ii sits comfortably in between. In my view, R6ii/iii's "crippling" feature is having the Canon badge, its the origin of sins lol
Canon is Dooooommmed ™
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Good conclusion.
As someone who takes photos and makes videos (private use) a 24MP sensor is a good balance between enough resolution for e.g. 1 x 1.5m prints (which I do not make due to limited wall area and quality of photos).
And readout speed is essential for video so I need a compromise.
R6 mark ii is a high class compromise and you get two for one R5 (roughly) so changing lenses can be reduced to nearly zero ;-) I hate changing lenses (at least under "dirty" conditions).
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The problem was created by the ability to shoot at 30-40fps with an electronic shutter in the first place. Mechanical shutters have always been in the 5ms region, so it's rarely been an issue before Electronic Shutters became a thing. I'm not sure Global shutters will every be widely adopted. As long as the Electronic Shutter / Sensor readout is below 5ms, I can't see this being an issue going forwards. A bit like and aliasing filter, some specific frequencies or movement speeds of moving objects might still get some minor rollng shutter issues...we wait to see.
I posted my opinion here over a year ago that it was dissapointing that the rolling shutter was destroying some of my images, however...pop the camera into 1st curtain and the issue goes away. 12fps is still very very fast and there are not many situations where 30fps is a must.
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After all this chatter over the R6mkII....I'm actually more curious about the rumoured R7mkII. It's the camera that really needs a refresh the most. Sure the R1 is nice, but way outof most people's needs / price ratio. The R5ii is nice to read about, but it's unlikely to be the big seller (although a fantastic camera) like the R6ii or R7 are. The R7 suffers the most with rolling shutter issues and poor AF lock retention. Fix those issues and it's a license fro Canon to print money.
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