EOS 5D3 - shooting first wedding on Saturday

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My experience is that the auto iso locks at 400 when the flash is attached. I put 400-1600 when I posted earlier because I thought you could set it to that, but I haven't figured that out yet. This stinks IMO. I forgot to go manual with the iso and lost some shots.
 
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MarkB said:
My experience is that the auto iso locks at 400 when the flash is attached. I put 400-1600 when I posted earlier because I thought you could set it to that, but I haven't figured that out yet. This stinks IMO. I forgot to go manual with the iso and lost some shots.
Cool - I thought I was missing something. I think it locks at 400 - I wish they would add more latitude in that regard - it would be easy as a firmware update.
 
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Stephen Melvin said:
The larger issue is pattern noise. It starts to show up at 6400 on the Mk II, and it's dominant at 12800. It's pretty much unfixable at that point, short of heavy duty NR software. That's where I get my "speed limit" from. Noise doesn't bother me, as long as it's random or appears so. If it looks like film, or can be made to look like film, I'm fine with it.

Others will have a lower tolerance. I suspect most of them never shot high speed photographic film like I have. ;)

12,800 is still usable... I think :)

following photos were taken at ISO 12,800 with 5D3...
The-Avenue-Wedding-13.jpg


The-Avenue-Wedding-12.jpg
 
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rhommel said:
Stephen Melvin said:
The larger issue is pattern noise. It starts to show up at 6400 on the Mk II, and it's dominant at 12800. It's pretty much unfixable at that point, short of heavy duty NR software. That's where I get my "speed limit" from. Noise doesn't bother me, as long as it's random or appears so. If it looks like film, or can be made to look like film, I'm fine with it.

Others will have a lower tolerance. I suspect most of them never shot high speed photographic film like I have. ;)

12,800 is still usable... I think :)

following photos were taken at ISO 12,800 with 5D3...
The-Avenue-Wedding-13.jpg


The-Avenue-Wedding-12.jpg

rhommel - What NR software did you use? Did you purposely desaturated and reduce contrast? Might be the crappy monitor I'm using right now too! I personally (not be critical just backing up my point below) would have pulled the exposure up a bit on the top image. This gets very iffy if you shoot at 12800.

I shot my first wedding with the 5Diii two weeks ago and found that 3200 was my comfortable limit because with flash and low light photography I find the need to pull the exposure and shadows up on a regular basis. You could argue that this is my fault and I should be exposing farther the to right but shooting manual and trying to keep the camera ready to swing around to any angle in the reception hall keeps me from pushing things too far on the manual settings. If you clip highlights, they are gone and that can happen easily at these ISOs and the changing lighting from the DJ's and videographers. Don't get me wrong, I shot a decent number of 6400 shots of people dancing so that I could speed up the shutting but keep the background bright but these shots tend to be forgiving in the sense that they have a lot of variation in them (light and dark). I would hold important shots like the first dance and cake cutting to 3200 and below to make sure that you can recover a little in post.

The fact that Auto ISO locks the camera at 400 when a flash is turned on is a death nail in my opinion. Personally, I like flash subjects to balance more with the background which usually means ISO 1600 and up for wedding receptions. Lots of manual set remote flashes can get the background exposure up as well but that is very dependent on the venue and how many flashes and flash stands you can afford!
 
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kennephoto said:
I have a wedding coming up in 1 month and I have been going round and round in my head about 5d3 and 5d2. I dont have either camera yet but I sure want one of the two. I see a lot of you have been saying not to be fearless with ISO on 5d3 but what about 5d2? Is the 5d3 a ISO beast compared to 5d2? Basically can you be a bit fearless with 5d2 still?

no brainer - get the 5d3 - better high iso...much better AF...6fps when needed..quiet shutter is so helpful at times...several other small advantages. also important, in 3-5 years when you're itch'n to upgrade again to the 5d4, the 5d3 will be worth about $1500 more than the 5d2 if you sell it or trade it in.
 
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brendon, no worries, i just used Adobe Raw's NR for these ones and didn't do much processing. the desaturated look can be blamed from the fog machine... they used it heavily during the first dance (the 2nd image) and the last dance (about 5 minutes before i took the 1st photo)

I am just saying that the 12,800 is still good enough for web posts where the couple (b&g) can post online (facebook, twitter, etc).

this was my first wedding using the 5D3 and wanted to test out the ISO capabilities of the 5D3...

Here are Ryan Benizer's photos using the 5D3 at 12,800

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Rest of his 5D3 photos are here:
http://www.ryanbrenizer.com/2012/03/a-nikon-users-review-of-the-canon-5d-mark-iii/
 
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benherman said:
Anyone shooting a wedding for the first time should really have some experience behind them first, owning some gear doesn't really qualify you to do a good service to a couple. Most of the advise here is not going to help. Go out there and shoot some events. Learn what works. Even better, shoot with a professional and learn firsthand how to approach things. It's funny how many posts like this end up on various forum sites. What you need to shoot a wedding isn't gear, it's skill and knowing how your gear works in various situations, and even more - what are you capturing - what many call the best day of their life. If you don't know how to do it, should you?

I shot my first wedding with my wife for free, because the couple didn't have a budget for photography. We did a good job considering we were new to weddings, but we were also far out of our depth. You really need to be a second shooter to get some experience.

i agree and disagree with this for various reasons. Where I agree - yes, shooting more makes a difference, learning ,putting yourswelf in hard lighting situations --- all that helps gain experience, with experience comes more comfort, then you can really start working on technique. But as far as second shooting, this is hit or miss. While yes, you always learn a thing or 2, it really depends on the primary shooter. Some primary shooters are very comfortable with themselves and their business and have no issues with teaching. But many see you as a threat and treat you as such. One big issue is files. Yes, how you shoot and what you shoot at a wedding is important, but, you need to have some time in PP on those shots to ever consider yourself a primary shooter. Some primary shooters can be freaky with that, and I get that, they are hiring you to work for them, they aren't hiring you to train you to go out on your own. Sometimes the primary shooter won't even let you come with on the formal shots (for me and my learning, setting up shots like that, guiding people, that's more than just shooting and does require learning!) - the good old, why don't you just get candid shots from coctail hour while I handle the formals.

Not every primary shooter is like this --- and I aqm not saying don't second shooter, but, be careful choosing who you work with and if the intention is to learn - then try shooting with a few. Seeing different techniques does help a lot. And more times than not, if you second shoot you get to see some larger scale productions which is valuable learning!!!

As to the whole, don't ever take on a wedding with no experience thing. We all gotta start somewhere. If you are honest with the client and charge them accordingly to your skill level, this shouldn't be a problem I think. (remember, some primary shooters don't take on totally green second shooters, or if they do, have fun earning $50 on the day)
 
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I was doing this for free for my cousin as money was tight - I am reasonably experienced or I would not have taken on the job at all.

I got some great shots and in most situations the 5D3 performed perfectly.
Metering/exposure was very impressive - on the mark 99% of the time.

I did have to put up with another (Nikon user) photographer trying to shoot the wedding as well and this was really starting to piss me off until I met a retired wedding pro who was there.
We got rid of the Nikon guy and he was excellent help setting up poses and shots - I learned a lot from him over the rest of the day.

It was hard work but I really enjoyed it - and after a wee bit of Lightroom magic we will have some great shots.
5D3 is a dream to use in this situation.
 
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Scott_McPhee said:
I was doing this for free for my cousin as money was tight - I am reasonably experienced or I would not have taken on the job at all.

I got some great shots and in most situations the 5D3 performed perfectly.
Metering/exposure was very impressive - on the mark 99% of the time.

I did have to put up with another (Nikon user) photographer trying to shoot the wedding as well and this was really starting to piss me off until I met a retired wedding pro who was there.
We got rid of the Nikon guy and he was excellent help setting up poses and shots - I learned a lot from him over the rest of the day.

It was hard work but I really enjoyed it - and after a wee bit of Lightroom magic we will have some great shots.
5D3 is a dream to use in this situation.
Your shots look good, I prefer to use DPP to convert raws mainly becuase i like the quality over lightrooms conversion of canon raws, granted lightroom is far better from a work flow perspective. But then again your shots look perfectly fine as is.The curve tool in lightroom, photoshop could help brighten midtones
 
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