EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]

[kphoto99]

So basically Canon will tell it's crop users that want to move to FF to look at other brands (like the D750)

How so? Are you already assuming that a future 6DII will be uncompetitive when it debuts?

Also, I know many users of APS-C bodies that own one or more EF lenses (myself included) which provides a good incentive to remain with Canon.

It is a always a trade of. In my case I am looking at FF for improved IQ. Currently the 6D is the best balance of price/IQ. If the price of 6DII goes to the neighborhood of 5DIII then that is no longer a case. From what I have read the D750 has a better IQ then the 6D, currently 6D wins on price but looses on AF.
The few FF lenses that I have are more applicable to the 1.6 crop factor and they would not be so desirable on FF, this is why replacing them by changing brand would not be a big sacrifice.

The other part of my problem with Canon, and that has nothing to do with future price of 6D is why the control layout between different levels of cameras is so different. Somebody who starts with a xxxD and moves to xxD or xD will have to relearn muscle memory for controlling the camera. If you have to relearn all the layout then what is keeping you with a brand. I don't know if that is the same with other manufactures, but I think that is so stupid.
The 7DII is virtually identical to the 5DIII and that makes a lot of sense.

 

[RobertP]

I see space for 4 full frame cameras:

Budget i.e. 6D. Better IQ than than the 7D2 but stripped down feature set and no weatherproofing; retailing above the x0D but below the 7Dx

All rounder i.e 5Dx The general purpose professional model

High MP - new body priced above 5Dx

All weather - 1D - similar MP count to 5D body but highest quality build and feature set

The 7D2 may have comparable IQ to the current 6D but it does benefit from newer technology. I would probably be quite happy if the 6D2 was just an upscaled 70D. The weatherproofing; AF; and FPS of the 7Dx make it easy to market to a different user from those that are looking at an entry level full frame.

 

[wsmith96]

I could see them matching the features and AF of the 70D to the 6D's replacement. Maybe increasing the FPS a bit and adding a 19 pt auto focus and DPAF. Give it an articulated screen and you would have a very nice successor.

 

[tayassu]

I think this makes perfect sense... The Nikon D750 made the D610 nearly obsolete, so why should Canon bother to bring a D6xx competitor instead of a similar priced D750 competitor?
I expect the 6DII to be specced similar to the 5DIII and the 5DIV probably to be high MP... would make sense to have the three important Nikons (D4s, D810, D750) covered. Df and D610 are nothing they have to care about

 

[dadgummit]

Typical Canon response:

Person 1: We are not selling enough.

Person 2: Well then raise the price.

 

[dadgummit]

Typical Canon response:

Person 1: We are not making enough money.

Person 2: Well then raise the price.

Fixed that for you.

The Economic LAW of supply and demand says when the price goes up the quantity demanded goes down... ;D

 

[Famateur]

I could see them matching the features and AF of the 70D to the 6D's replacement. Maybe increasing the FPS a bit and adding a 19 pt auto focus and DPAF. Give it an articulated screen and you would have a very nice successor.

This is my hope. If they make the 6DII essentially a full frame 70D, I will immediately sell my 70D and buy the 6DII.

When I chose the 70D, I would have saved up a few hundred dollars more and bought the 6D if it had DPAF and articulating touch screen. I just can't live without the articulating screen...

 

[dstppy]

I thought from the first that the crippled AF of the 6D made it a misfire. Despite the chorus of defenders, Canon agrees! Its AF was inferior to that of the 60D, for cryin' out loud.

Citation required.

 

[NancyP]

I like the 6D for what it is - a budget compact full frame DSLR with good image quality and not a lot of extras. I use it for landscape and macro and general purpose, not action, so it is just fine. AF is not worse than the 60D, that is my other camera, so I can compare. AF is slightly better than 60D.

I can see three or four full frame offerings:
basic (6D)
all-around enthusiast (5D3)
high MP camera
medium MP, high burst, rugged pro camera in 1DX shape

Nikon has the same tiering: 610, 750, 810, D4xs

 

[StudentOfLight]

The 6D holds a critical position in the market and for Canon not to offer a basic entry level FF would not make sense. After all, an entry level full frame opens a door to buying full-frame lenses. That being said, the 6D Mark-II could well sell alongside the current 6D in exactly the same way that a Subaru WRX STI can sell alongside a WRX. There is no need to discontinue a product that caters to the needs of a specific part of the market if it still continues to sell profitably.

 

[cosmopotter]

I like and intend to buy a 6D to add a nice full-frame to my 70D. It has some great features that top the D610 like low light AF performance, WiFi and GPS, and great sensitivity. I would like to see some incremental upgrades for a new version to keep ahead of Nikon (without a 5 year wait). I would be satisfied with a 19 point (all cross type) AF system like the 70D as I have no complaints with it and perhaps they could add a dual cross on the centre like the 7D MkII. Of course I wouldn't complain if they gave it the sensor and AF system from the 5D MkIII and upgraded the 5D MkIV. It should of course have Dual Pixel AF for video and preferably a flip/touchscreen like the 70D. Increase the FPS a little to get ahead of Nikon (7FPS would do) and 2 card slots would be nice.

One last thing. One of the new FF cameras next year will have to be first to add an RF flash transmitter built in. I don't know if it would fit in a 6D MkII considering there is WiFi and GPS in the dome of the current model but I think I'd rather have the transmitter than a built-in flash.

 

[Woody]

As Thom Hogan says:

"if the camera makers are going to sell fewer things, they want to sell you more expensive things." - http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/camera-pricing-has-been.html

 

[Steve]

The Economic LAW of supply and demand says when the price goes up the quantity demanded goes down... ;D

I'm sure that Canon employs one or two people with economics degrees that can do a optimization calculation. If not, I'm sure they could check in with a high school calculus teacher.

 

[infared]

Bad news for us! I agree...What would be good for me is a lower-priced FF body to have back-up for my 5DIII.
After I saw the price of the new 16-35mm f/4 IS (and purchased one)...I was hopeful that Canon wasn't still involved with the runaway pricing that we have seen ever since the Fukashima disaster.....

 

[Famateur]

Typical Canon response:

Person 1: We are not making enough money.

Person 2: Well then raise the price.

Fixed that for you.

The Economic LAW of supply and demand says when the price goes up the quantity demanded goes down... ;D

True, but both economics and mathematics also allow that maximization of the revenue curve might actually call for an increase of prices, even if units sold decrease.

We naturally want to increase units sold, but if carefully raising prices brings higher revenue with fewer units sold than with the current price and higher units sold, revenue wins.

Of course, this doesn't factor in lost lenses sold for the lost units sold...

 

[9VIII]

So basically Canon will tell it's crop users that want to move to FF to look at other brands (like the D750), since new lenses have to be bought anyways.
Great job Canon.

I started on crop and the only EF-S lens I have is the kit lens.


I'm surprised that people are surprised.
6D=Plastic 5D2
6D2=Plastic 5D3
Why would it be surprising that this change would come with an increase in price? Same as 5D2-5D3.

I think the thing that people are missing is the probable (inevitable?) introduction of an even cheaper full frame body.

 

[Woody]

If Canon is not happy with the sales figures of the G1X/G1X Mk 2/6D, they ought to read the reviews in DPReview.

 

[bholliman]

The 6D holds a critical position in the market and for Canon not to offer a basic entry level FF would not make sense. After all, an entry level full frame opens a door to buying full-frame lenses. That being said, the 6D Mark-II could well sell alongside the current 6D in exactly the same way that a Subaru WRX STI can sell alongside a WRX. There is no need to discontinue a product that caters to the needs of a specific part of the market if it still continues to sell profitably.

+1 An inexpensive, entry-level full frame body makes a great deal of business sense for Canon, as its a gateway to selling expensive full frame lenses.

The current 6D is great for my current uses. I expect Canon to replace it in 2016 and by then I might be ready for an upgrade.

 

[CI]

I own two 6D Bodies and ABSOLUTELY love them. I rented a 5D mk iii before buying them. I don't shoot sports/action, so 6D serves the need perfectly. I think Canon could have charged more for this body

 

[DogpackChris]

I am curious as to why some folks don't find the build very good. Just because it doesn't have a complete magnesium body doesn't mean that it isn't rugged. I just rented a 6D and thought that the build quality excellent. The image quality and low light performance with Canon lenses was outstanding(The Tokina 16-28 didn't AF as well as my 7D with the 10-22 in a real estate shoot that I did) I hope that they keep a low cost full frame stills camera body available. I am thinking of pairing up a 6D and a 7DmkII as my main kit. I have a bunch to sell first :'(