EOS 7D Mark II Talk [CR1]

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<p><strong>Canon EOS 7D Mark II


</strong>We’ve heard a bit of talk recently about the follow-up to the EOS 7D. The same sort of time frame is still mentioned, an announcement in Q2 of 2014.</p>
<p>One suggestion is the 7D Mark II will become a bit more video oriented. So beyond a “pro” APS-C camera, it will also be highly desirable for the videographer. The camera as such will also retail well above the EOS 70D.</p>
<p>We’re also told any follow-up to the EOS 7D will get a new sensor and not use the 20.2mp sensor that is found in the EOS 70D.</p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>

The 70D is pretty much the same spec as a 7D mkI with a few tweeks and a few extra bells. The 7D mk II will need a strong progression to hold onto it's premium price point and model placement. I'm asuming the aspiration and promotion of the XXD linage to the current 70D is an indictaor that the 7DII will indeed push the boundaries of the 7D lineage....pro level AF, low iso noise, improved DR, fast frame rate are all needed in this sector. If we look at the 5DIII and it's relation to the 1Dx, the 7DII needs to improve on that basis and progress further, it's a newer model after all!

 

[TrabimanUK]

Q2 of 2014?! So realistically that'll be Q3 2014 before it ships. Going to have to buy another MK1 for next year's safari then. Was hoping to have a new gun with high FPS and low noise to shoot the wildlife, oh well, looks like two older guns will have to do. Hey ho

 

[xps]

Q2 of 2014?! So realistically that'll be Q3 2014 before it ships. Going to have to buy another MK1 for next year's safari then. Was hoping to have a new gun with high FPS and low noise to shoot the wildlife, oh well, looks like two older guns will have to do. Hey ho

announced Q2/2014, ..... this means first free shipping Q4/2014 (maybe your christmas present)
Buy an used MK1.

 

[xps]

CANON PLEASE LISTEN: I DON'T DO VIDEO!!! I'M NOT INTERESTED IN VIDEO!!! I WANT A STILLS OPTIMIZES CAMERA!!!

Good to get it out ...

I want more pixles, improved dynamic range, higher fps, improved AF, improved silent mode, ruggedness and weather sealing, plus a few more. I prefer FF, but could well be interested in a good APS-C or APS-H body. I have a 7D and a 1DIV, but I currently don't use them, because the 1DX and 5DIII is so much better. A 7D-II and/or a 1DV could well change that.

Canon wil NOT listen.... except their sales figures are located in the dive. Do not forget: Canon is brand-leader. Why change a winning team?

 

[Marsu42]

Good to get it out ...

Just switch to Nikon - it's clear where Canon is going, they haven't got the low iso sensor iq of exmor but are compensating with dual pixel af, live view touch screen & a digic6+ with 1080/60p. And firmware gimmicks of course, my 6D can now play background music to a slideshow

If Magic Lantern adds raw capability on top of that and the 22mp 7d2 has no moire like the 5d3, Canon will gain more video customers than it will loose amateur photogs that want cheap 14fps to machinegun wildlife... the 70d is "good enough" for that. If you want better, spend €15000 for a 1dx + lenses.

 

[dw2013]

I've just heard on the grapevine that the next Canon Camcorder to be released will also have a new 45mp FF sensor to take photo's with....

Seriously though, do people buy a Camcorder to take photo's?! If you want video, buy a camcorder...if you want photos, buy a DSLR. If you want both, buy an iPad or something!

 

[BRNexus6]

Well, I doubt it will cost $2000. Probably $1699 tops. If its more video oriented than it still needs to come with a swivel screen, headphone output, and get rid of the moire/aliasing like the 5D Mark lll did.

 

[xps]

Well, I doubt it will cost $2000. Probably $1699 tops. If its more video oriented than it still needs to come with a swivel screen, headphone output, and get rid of the moire/aliasing like the 5D Mark lll did.

70D is 1099€, I bet the 7D2 ist 2000-2500€

 

[xps]

Good to get it out ...

Just switch to Nikon - it's clear where Canon is going, they haven't got the low iso sensor iq of exmor but are compensating with dual pixel af, live view touch screen & a digic6+ with 1080/60p. And firmware gimmicks of course, my 6D can now play background music to a slideshow

If Magic Lantern adds raw capability on top of that and the 22mp 7d2 has no moire like the 5d3, Canon will gain more video customers than it will loose amateur photogs that want cheap 14fps to machinegun wildlife... the 70d is "good enough" for that. If you want better, spend €15000 for a 1dx + lenses.

Canon should ask ML how to make their products better. ML seems to be superior in creating firmwares

 

[Marsu42]

Canon should ask ML how to make their products better. ML seems to be superior in creating firmwares

I'm sure the Canon people are also very able, but they only put it to work on the 1d series ... for the cheaper cameras, it's all about stability and recycling the older fw (no updates, no support cost). Plus they are very busy crippling the cameras and adding things like playing music along the slide show

 

[ICE]

Yeah I don't use the video function on mine. But, as long as they don't compromise stills features in favour of video it doesn't bother me. Show me an improvement in ISO perf, a healthy burst and an upgrade to the focus system and I'll be sold.

I want more pixels, improved dynamic range, higher fps, improved AF, improved silent mode, ruggedness and weather sealing, plus a few more. I prefer FF, but could well be interested in a good APS-C or APS-H body.

+1 and WiFi

 

[xps]

Canon should ask ML how to make their products better. ML seems to be superior in creating firmwares

I'm sure the Canon people are also very able, but they only put it to work on the 1d series ... for the cheaper cameras, it's all about stability and recycling the older fw (no updates, no support cost). Plus they are very busy crippling the cameras and adding things like playing music along the slide show

Indeed. You are right.
Maybe Canon will cover up the not so good IQ with good music, when you lokk at your photos or videos. Like when you go shopping. :

 

[gjones5252]

Wow. lots of frustration about the video feature. Before you get to frustrated you should realize that DSLR became extremely more profitable when it increased its customer base. People everywhere are buying dslrs now that they can do both. People who also want a cheaper interchangeable lens system would gladly buy these over similar priced camcorder of far lesser quality.
Also if they get a new person to come on board the canon boat that is a whole new set of lenses, cameras and toys. If a current user buys one new camera its valuable and they love it but the margin difference is massive.
Be happy a bunch of video people decided to pump fountains of money into the R+D the help benefit your picture quality. Now feature wise it does seem that most features are coming out for video but look at the cameras that are out there 1dx and 5d3 are top of the line image producing machines.
We will soon have a megapixelmonster.
Both Photo and Video features have a huge dollar sign. I think it is silly to complain about something that will not disappear and according to historical pricing has not dramatically affected what either party is paying.
Long term this is awesome. More customers to canon=more canon product=more product compatible with canon=more customers to canon.
Its good for all of us. Don't get wadded up on the fact video features are part of the team now too.

 

[Chosenbydestiny]

Wow. lots of frustration about the video feature. Before you get to frustrated you should realize that DSLR became extremely more profitable when it increased its customer base. People everywhere are buying dslrs now that they can do both. People who also want a cheaper interchangeable lens system would gladly buy these over similar priced camcorder of far lesser quality.
Also if they get a new person to come on board the canon boat that is a whole new set of lenses, cameras and toys. If a current user buys one new camera its valuable and they love it but the margin difference is massive.
Be happy a bunch of video people decided to pump fountains of money into the R+D the help benefit your picture quality. Now feature wise it does seem that most features are coming out for video but look at the cameras that are out there 1dx and 5d3 are top of the line image producing machines.
We will soon have a megapixelmonster.
Both Photo and Video features have a huge dollar sign. I think it is silly to complain about something that will not disappear and according to historical pricing has not dramatically affected what either party is paying.
Long term this is awesome. More customers to canon=more canon product=more product compatible with canon=more customers to canon.
Its good for all of us. Don't get wadded up on the fact video features are part of the team now too.

+1 people whine way too much about video on a dslr and have very selfish reasons to do so. If you don't like it, simply don't use it.

 

[Loswr]

Add me to the list of people sick of paying all that extra cash for a function I don't want.

How much extra cash do you think you're paying?

 

[AvTvM]

it is fine with me that
* Canon camcorders are available with a lens mount compatible with EF lenses
* Canon has a wide range of video-optimized cameras on offer, both in the shape of classical camcorders (C100/300/500) and in DSLR-shape (1Dc)
* videographers are happy to buy and use all sorts of Canon equipment

BUT ... I am really pissed off that
* Canon has not a single stills-optimized camera in its entire current lineup
* Canon optimizes all camera sensors to capture hours and hours of video at a time which undoubtedly comes at the expense of highest quality stills capture
* No Canon sensor is able to yield stills images that match and surpass competitor's products in terms of resolution and dynamic range and low noise/no banding at low and hi ISO settings any longer
* 18+ MP sensors in stills cameras being wasted on capturing video @2MP of resolution (Full HD, 1920x1080x)
* Canon puts a marked-in-red "Record video" buttons in a prime ergonomic location on every camera
* this button is not even user-assignable to do something useful for stills capture
* Canon menu systems getting bloated with lots of video-related stuff
* and all the many other - partially hidden - compromises forced upon stills photographers

And all of this only because Canon decides to charge a f*cking ton of money for video gear and significantly less money for video-compromised stills cameras.


PS: this is not "whining", this is a proper rant!

 

[Woody]

Its good for all of us. Don't get wadded up on the fact video features are part of the team now too.

It all sounds good except Canon seems to be crippling the video capability on their DSLRs... Don't believe? Just look at what MagicLantern did with video features on Canon DSLRs. Ironic isn't it? They are afraid DSLR sales will eat into their camcorder business.

 

[Marsu42]

It all sounds good except Canon seems to be crippling the video capability on their DSLRs

There's a difference between "crippling" and "not implementing": removing features like afma 50d->60d, removing save sources on hdr/multlexpo 5d3->6d = crippling; not adding raw capability that has never been there is something else.

Problem is that there is a fine line between those though, you can see the moiré on the 20mp ff 6d sensor or the limited sd card write speed as "crippling" or not, according to personal views.

 

[vlim]

I'm glad to have buy a new 70d for 892 € (and don't wait for the 7D II) and be happy about how it performs !

 

[Don Haines]

Add me to the list of people sick of paying all that extra cash for a function I don't want.

It's not that easy... yes, it does cost more to develop the firmware features for video, but the addition of video increases the sales, which gets you better economy of scale pricing.... the balance point is anyone's guess...