First big job using FF - for all the FF nay-sayers

[insanitybeard]

It is hardly an advantage. You take an expensive UWA and convert it to something like 28mm with lower resolution everywhere but better borders. On FF, you can just use your garden variety zoom to do much better.

Is there not something to be said for a more even resolution across the frame and less vignetting? The Canon 10-22 also has much better barrel distortion than the 17-40 used on crop or full frame for that matter. You might be able to use your 'garden variety' zoom on FF to do better, but that FF body you are using will have cost you more in the first place. Cost is not irrelevent. I would be using FF for landscape if I could afford it, but even the 6D is out of my reach at the moment. Couple that with the cost of a decent wideangle lens to use with it. I own the 17-40 but at it's wide end it's not a fantastic performer on FF unless stopped down a fair bit. So just looking at Canon glass, because I PERSONALLY don't want to use third party lenses, what are my options?

Canon 14 and 24 L primes. 24-70 f2.8/4 L Zooms, all way in excess of £1000. Same for the 16-35 L which isn't massively better than the 17-40 at equivalent apertures. The only other option is the 24-105 which is cheaper I grant you, but not ultrawide.

 

[Wilmark]

Is there such a thing as FF nay-sayers? I really doubt it. I think there are FF owners and those who would like to be be FF owners. And the 7D? I used to own one before - its low light performance was really discouraging. I hate to be blunt but the 7d (and the rest of canons line crop line up) sucks and any kind of low light. And those who say they like the 'reach' of the crop sensor cameras, reminds me of the day when people thought that Digital zoom was useful!

 

[Pi]

It is hardly an advantage. You take an expensive UWA and convert it to something like 28mm with lower resolution everywhere but better borders. On FF, you can just use your garden variety zoom to do much better.

Is there not something to be said for a more even resolution across the frame and less vignetting? The Canon 10-22 also has much better barrel distortion than the 17-40 used on crop or full frame for that matter. You might be able to use your 'garden variety' zoom on FF to do better, but that FF body you are using will have cost you more in the first place. Cost is not irrelevent. I would be using FF for landscape if I could afford it, but even the 6D is out of my reach at the moment. Couple that with the cost of a decent wideangle lens to use with it. I own the 17-40 but at it's wide end it's not a fantastic performer on FF unless stopped down a fair bit. So just looking at Canon glass, because I PERSONALLY don't want to use third party lenses, what are my options?

Canon 14 and 24 L primes. 24-70 f2.8/4 L Zooms, all way in excess of £1000. Same for the 16-35 L which isn't massively better than the 17-40 at equivalent apertures. The only other option is the 24-105 which is cheaper I grant you, but not ultrawide.

The 17-40 stopped down? You should consider the fact that in equivalent terms, the 10-22 is already stopped down quite a bit. It is an excellent lens, I owned it.

If you want to go to 16-17mm eq., then the 17-40 is not great in the borders but I doubt that it is really worse than the 10-22 both at equivalent settings. For anything else, it is no contest. Any reasonable recent lens on FF will beat by far the best L on crop, away from that UWA range maybe.

 

[Krob78]

Is there such a thing as FF nay-sayers? I really doubt it. I think there are FF owners and those who would like to be be FF owners. And the 7D? I used to own one before - its low light performance was really discouraging. I hate to be blunt but the 7d (and the rest of canons line crop line up) sucks and any kind of low light. And those who say they like the 'reach' of the crop sensor cameras, reminds me of the day when people thought that Digital zoom was useful!

The 7D doesn't suck at all, it's been a very relevant camera in it's class and still is. I have very usable images all the way up to ISO 3200 with my 7D and have posted some in this forum before. The simple answer to any low light issues with a 7D is OCL, if you're doing portraiture. My 5d3 is a great low light performer, interestingly enough, I use OCL with it for portraiture as well... Sometimes it's not neccesarily the gear... The 7d has served thousands of photographers quite well for the last several years, despite the yacking about low light issues...

 

[bdunbar79]

Is there such a thing as FF nay-sayers? I really doubt it. I think there are FF owners and those who would like to be be FF owners. And the 7D? I used to own one before - its low light performance was really discouraging. I hate to be blunt but the 7d (and the rest of canons line crop line up) sucks and any kind of low light. And those who say they like the 'reach' of the crop sensor cameras, reminds me of the day when people thought that Digital zoom was useful!

I'm going with you on this one. However, at ISO 640 and lower, the 7D is very capable. You can ETTR at ISO 3200 and manage it in RAW format in Lightroom or Camera RAW. But again, it's nothing like the 5D2, 5D3, 1D4, or 1DX. But it isn't supposed to be. As an aside, I do briefly miss the 7D on my 400 f/2.8. Man that was a monster 640mm equivalent!

I did end up getting rid of it though. I sold all at once my 7D, 5D2, 1D4, and 1Ds3 for the cameras I own today.

 

[9VIII]

Is there such a thing as FF nay-sayers? I really doubt it. I think there are FF owners and those who would like to be be FF owners. And the 7D? I used to own one before - its low light performance was really discouraging. I hate to be blunt but the 7d (and the rest of canons line crop line up) sucks and any kind of low light. And those who say they like the 'reach' of the crop sensor cameras, reminds me of the day when people thought that Digital zoom was useful!

Ahem.

Practically it all comes down to whether your uses require more reach than your glass can give you.

If you crop an image shot on full frame you are using "digital zoom". If instead you switch to a good crop sensor, you can get much more detail on the subject.