!!!FIRST!!! - Full Frame Mirrorless Camera
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You do know of the Sony RX1, of course. FF and mirrorless.
Why not interchangable lenses?? Its impractical to make ultra wide with the short flange back, and a complete new 20K set of high end lenses will take years to introduce. You could adapt conventional FF lenses, of course, and that might be the only practical way.
But then, whats the point? Extreme slow AF is not for everyone.
Why not interchangable lenses?? Its impractical to make ultra wide with the short flange back, and a complete new 20K set of high end lenses will take years to introduce. You could adapt conventional FF lenses, of course, and that might be the only practical way.
But then, whats the point? Extreme slow AF is not for everyone.
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
I'm ok with slower AF with mirrorless. I care more about IQ in low light shooting. I travel alot and it would be nice to have a FF mirrorless plus some pancake primes 24, 35, 50 at f1.4 or bigger.
I did notice the Sony RX1 - too bad it's fixed lens :-[ I wonder if this RX1 will do well or not?
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I work at Sony Electronics. 
Yea we've got FF Mirrorless already.
We're often times the first to market or very early to market. I remember announcing the world's lightest laptop 6 months before the first macbook air. Even after the launch of the AIR our's was still the thinnest and lightest but did anyone know haha? I remember carrying the world's first OLED TV to a convention in Las Vegas. We never advertised it though, the images were stunning and the design was sleek. 2 years later Samsung made a huge TV ad campaign and without saying it made it sound like they were the first to make the OLED TVs. And their TV was IDENTICAL to our aesthetically, they basically took our tv and rebadged it as a samsung. I think that's my biggest frustration with this company. We don't advertise anything and unless you're really looking for a product you would never know we made it. I'm so tired of watching great products get launch with zero visibility.
Just wanted to release some steam about the biggest issue that irks me about Sony. Other than that the company is awesome, they treat us real well, we get good discounts and the work culture here is great (I knew a few people who worked at Samsung that we're very happy).
Yea we've got FF Mirrorless already.
We're often times the first to market or very early to market. I remember announcing the world's lightest laptop 6 months before the first macbook air. Even after the launch of the AIR our's was still the thinnest and lightest but did anyone know haha? I remember carrying the world's first OLED TV to a convention in Las Vegas. We never advertised it though, the images were stunning and the design was sleek. 2 years later Samsung made a huge TV ad campaign and without saying it made it sound like they were the first to make the OLED TVs. And their TV was IDENTICAL to our aesthetically, they basically took our tv and rebadged it as a samsung. I think that's my biggest frustration with this company. We don't advertise anything and unless you're really looking for a product you would never know we made it. I'm so tired of watching great products get launch with zero visibility.
Just wanted to release some steam about the biggest issue that irks me about Sony. Other than that the company is awesome, they treat us real well, we get good discounts and the work culture here is great (I knew a few people who worked at Samsung that we're very happy).
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Minh Nguyen said:
hmmm... not sure about this statement. Sony doesn't advertise their products you say? I am seeing an awful lot of PS3/ Vita adverts around at the moment. What about their smartphones? Never seen an Experia Play advert anywhere? The Vaio laptop range?
Just saying... Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing you or the company you work for - I own and love a lot of sony products, but that statement somehow doesn't wash with me.
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CowGummy said:
Yeah, i know - does sound fishy
I mean, it's like a company who would invent a Desktop PC Computer and then fail to patent it, and all the technology in it because they only wanted to see what was achievable.
I mean, it's not like Xerox is a big company that likes to shout about its products - can't think they'd ever shoot themselves in the foot like ;D ;D ;D
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Positron said:tron said:?Dylan777 said:tron said:
Tron,
I visit CMs in Asia 5-6 times per year. It's nice to have FF mirrorless for travel
According to Wikipedia, among other things CM could stand for Certified Midwife.
CM = Contract Manufacture
Certified Midwife ;D ;D ;D
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Minh Nguyen said:I work at Sony Electronics.
Yea we've got FF Mirrorless already.
We're often times the first to market or very early to market. I remember announcing the world's lightest laptop 6 months before the first macbook air. Even after the launch of the AIR our's was still the thinnest and lightest but did anyone know haha? I remember carrying the world's first OLED TV to a convention in Las Vegas. We never advertised it though, the images were stunning and the design was sleek. 2 years later Samsung made a huge TV ad campaign and without saying it made it sound like they were the first to make the OLED TVs. And their TV was IDENTICAL to our aesthetically, they basically took our tv and rebadged it as a samsung. I think that's my biggest frustration with this company. We don't advertise anything and unless you're really looking for a product you would never know we made it. I'm so tired of watching great products get launch with zero visibility.
Just wanted to release some steam about the biggest issue that irks me about Sony. Other than that the company is awesome, they treat us real well, we get good discounts and the work culture here is great (I knew a few people who worked at Samsung that we're very happy).
I guess that you feel that they are not winning the AD war, but they are there. Nice to meet an employee of the great company of Akio Morita!
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Minh Nguyen said:I work at Sony Electronics.
Yea we've got FF Mirrorless already.
We're often times the first to market or very early to market. I remember announcing the world's lightest laptop 6 months before the first macbook air. Even after the launch of the AIR our's was still the thinnest and lightest but did anyone know haha? I remember carrying the world's first OLED TV to a convention in Las Vegas. We never advertised it though, the images were stunning and the design was sleek. 2 years later Samsung made a huge TV ad campaign and without saying it made it sound like they were the first to make the OLED TVs. And their TV was IDENTICAL to our aesthetically, they basically took our tv and rebadged it as a samsung. I think that's my biggest frustration with this company. We don't advertise anything and unless you're really looking for a product you would never know we made it. I'm so tired of watching great products get launch with zero visibility.
Just wanted to release some steam about the biggest issue that irks me about Sony. Other than that the company is awesome, they treat us real well, we get good discounts and the work culture here is great (I knew a few people who worked at Samsung that we're very happy).
Ummm...OLED TVs? Or LED TVs? As far as I know, NO ONE has yet produced an actual OLED TV. There are LED TVs, and I think there may be a couple extremely high end RGB-LED TVs with 12-bit color support...but I have not yet heard of an OLED TV. That is definitely the next step, but if Sony gets there before Samsung, I'll be very surprised. If you are indeed serious, then I very seriously doubt you work for Sony.
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There is Sony XEL for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
OLED is just not mainstream yet thats why u didnt hear much about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
OLED is just not mainstream yet thats why u didnt hear much about it
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Sony released the small OLED TV about 3 years ago, high priced, and apparently either did not sell, or the technoloogy wasn't ready. Right now, Samsung is in the drivers seat with huge profits while Sony is borrowing money to develop their products. There is going to be a big fallout coming, Sharp is almost dead, Panasonic and Sony are hurting badly. Its not a good time to be producing TV sets that sell for below cost.sandymandy said:There is Sony XEL for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
OLED is just not mainstream yet thats why u didnt hear much about it
Sony has a long way to go if they want to convince professional photographers that they are serious.
They have a reputation for dropping products and support for them, which really does make a pro wonder about their comittment to service of the product.
There is no IQ advantage to mirrorless, its about size and weight. If you have FF and have to use a lens adapter, the size and weight advantage mostly goes away. If you put out a $3k FF point and shoot, it becomes obsolete after 3-5 years, and not a good place to put your money. Bodies come and go, but good glass should last for 20 years or more.
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tron said:
It's not that the M9 doesn't have AF, it barely even has MF for non-M-mount lenses that don't have a rangefinder coupling. (Of course, there's always "look at the scale and guesstimate with f/8", but if you're going to do that, I bought a Bessa L).
Now, how long will it take for the new M (ie M10) to come down to $3000? Even ex-rental like LR's M9s on sale?
I'd say that's more likely than a FF Mirrorless with a new shorter-flange and more compact-body.
We're more likely to see a FF mirrorless with a standard EF-mount 44mm-flange (like the Pentax K-01, but FF).
It's not that easy to make a FF sensor work with a shorter flange-distance like on NEX and m4/3. The Angle of Incidence is just too great, Leica made it work (just) with a fancy patented microlens thingummy and some firmware hacks (try seeing what happens when you put a Voigtlander Skopar 21mm on an M9, before and after the firmware-update that came out conveniently at the same time).
Mirrorless is the future, yes. But my predictions for the current near-future are definitely only aps-c in tiny-bodies, FF will always be for the big-bodies (mirror or not).
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sandymandy said:There is Sony XEL for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
OLED is just not mainstream yet thats why u didnt hear much about it
Well, it's no surprise no one knew about it. Its a joke...practically microscopic in size, with an oddball resolution, and a truly hideous design. If I was Sony, I wouldn't have even bothered releasing the thing. That's like being one of those idiots who always has to post "First" in every forum they come across...just to be...first. I'd barely qualify that thing as a TV, and while Sony may have been the first to market with some kind of OLED device that might possibly stand in as a TV for some dude somewhere in the world...its kind of a stretch. Give me a nice 52" HD TV with OLED technology that produces a better quality picture than LED technology does, and then you can call "FIRST!"
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