Form TheNewCamera: D800 18 MP rumor/D900 36 MP Likely?

[pedro]

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Original source:dpreview
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=39928455

Rumors are coming from official french magazine "chasseur d'images". They are well known and quite serious, each time they wrote about upcoming gear, it revealed to be true.

D900 :

certainly 36mp,
no AA filter
60fps in 1080P, 120 fps in 720P.
No Flash.

price around 4000$ or more.

D800 :

18MP
30fps in 1080P, 60fps 720P (this, I hope not, why not full HD ?)
price around 2500-2800$

If Canon 5D3 has to match with the D800 they hopefully keep to 21 MP or don't pass 24.
We will see whatever will materialize.

 

[bvukich]

Why would Nikon ever release two generations of the same camera line at the same time? It makes no sense whatsoever.

The D800 specs (if you can even call such a truncated list that), are more realistic that what is currently going around the Nikon Rumors echo chamber, but is probably still just as much hot air.

 

[AG]

ITs funny but if you take these same specs and change the words around a little it looks just like every other rumour that has hit lately...


D900 Nikon D800 :

certainly 36mp,
no AA filter
60fps in 1080P, 120 fps in 720P.
No Flash.

price around 4000$ or more.

D800 Canon 5D mk 3:

18MP
30fps in 1080P, 60fps 720P (this, I hope not, why not full HD ?)
price around 2500-2800$


Think this is just the case of wishful thinking.

 

[dr croubie]

Digital Rev are sticking their money on an 18MP D800, whereas Nikon Rumours are still sticking to their 36MP story.

One thing that's been getting me lately. Canon people think that Nikon will give out a 36MP D800 at a price to smash both the 5D2 and any future 5D3.
But then Canon people also admit that the 5D3 will either have the 18MP 1DX-sensor with less features (ie, probably the exact same everything else as the 5D2 (same 9pt AF, not 19pt, it's not a sports camera, get used to it)), or a 24-36MP sensor that will perform less than the 1DX sensor even when shrunk to 18MP, or else the 5D3 will cannibalise the 1DX sales.
Does nikon not care about cannibalising? Why would they release a 36MP D3X-beater at 1/4 of the price?

For that reason, I'm banking on D800 being 18MP. Although I would actually hope that it's 36MP, because it will light a fire under canon. Either way, I want an announcement, because canon's just going to sit on their plum 5D2-sales until they actually have any real competition from the yellow guys...

 

[Isaac]

Unlikely.

I think Nikon are going to come out with a 36mp D800. I'd trust NikonRumors a lot more than some others posting what they think. A few weeks ago NikonRumors said there is a 99% probability of the D800 being 36mp.

 

[pedro]

well, then Canon will hardly stay at 24-28 MP. Too bad.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Having viewed a presentation on camera sensors presented by Cmos sensor inventor Eric explaining why photosites smaller than about 4 micro meters in diameter become affected by diffraction at F:/2.8, and limiting further resolution improvement, I think Canon did the right thing to stick with a 18mp sensor and go for improved light sensitivity, given current sensor technology.

The video is long, over an hour, and a bit technical, being presented to engineering students at Dartmouth.

There is a lot if information about current 2011 technology and some of the future areas of improvement that will allow much smaller pixels to be used.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/10/28/ericfossumspeech

Still, they do sell to people who buy according to MP count, so a high MP body will be popular. I do not have a issue with large files, but 18mp is enough to be able to do a reasonable crop, and the high ISO performance is a big deal to me.

 

[pedro]

... I think Canon did the right thing to stick with a 18mp sensor and go for improved light sensitivity, given current sensor technology ... Still, they do sell to people who buy according to MP count, so a high MP body will be popular. I do not have a issue with large files, but 18mp is enough to be able to do a reasonable crop, and the high ISO performance is a big deal to me.

Plus one. @ MtSpokane: But I guess Canon will follow suit when Nikon announces a 36 MP body equivalent to the 5D level. I wonder if 21 MP is not enough even for landscape and wedding photographers. Stepping back to 18 MP, by using the 1Dx sensor, would that severely cannibalize an 1Dx? Getting back to FF I am just looking for "the best of both worlds" 8)

 

[dr croubie]

But who needs 36MP?
Who needs 80MP? (Phase One, Leaf)
Who needs 200MP? (Hasselblad)
These cameras sell, and considering their price points they sell fairly well. If you don't like the high amount of MP for post-processing time, you can shoot in mRAW, sRAW. With a 36MP sensor, you can bin every block of 4-pixels into a 9MP sensor with 4-times the low-light capability.

Still, a 36MP D800 at less than $5k is going to eat into the D3X no end. 18MP I believe.

 

[psycho5]

Canon,

Will you please take the current 7d and put the 1Dx sensor in it and release it sometime in the first half of 2012?

If your worried about 1Dx sales, you can always limit it to 6fps and half the amount of weather seals, maybe even a polycarbonate body... I WOULD BE HAPPY AND MY WALLET IS OPEN TO THIS IDEA

Talk to your beancounters and they will tell you that....yes, the more bodies sold means more lenses, batteries, flashes, and so forth will be sold too.... but if you want to be greedy and the ba$tards you are and only limit the 1Dx sensor to a $7000 body, then your margins will be MUCH LOWER and your base will be VERY LIMITED to what...NFL photogs and rich yuppies who dont know $hit about photography anyways?

I WILL NOT OR EVER SETTLE FOR A 36MP NOISE MACHINE

FU canon,

psycho5

 

[dr croubie]

Will you please take the current 7d and put the 1Dx sensor in it and release it sometime in the first half of 2012?

Swearing aside, I think you've just described half of everyone's wish for the 5D3 (7D features with FF sensor). Don't think it'll happen for $2000 though. $3000-3500 i'd believe. But would probably be called the 2/3/4D, then leave the 5D3 for 1DX sensor with 5D2 features at $2000-2500...

 

[psycho5]

Swearing aside, I think you've just described half of everyone's wish for the 5D3 (7D features with FF sensor). Don't think it'll happen for $2000 though. $3000-3500 i'd believe. But would probably be called the 2/3/4D, then leave the 5D3 for 1DX sensor with 5D2 features at $2000-2500...

A camera like that is the reason why Amazon invented the one-click checkout... all I want is the 1Dx sensor repackaged in a smaller body, thats it...

 

[Orangutan]

This has been discussed here previously, and I'm not sure "limiting further resolution improvement" is the right way to phrase it. Probably more accurate to say that it imposes diminishing returns on smaller photosites. If I recall from the previous conversation, you get some benefits for smaller photosites:

• Can use a weaker AA filter (or possibly none)
• Can gain modest resolution improvements as it becomes possible to distinguish between adjacent Airy discs.

I'm sure Neuro will chime in and let us know if the above is false.

Having viewed a presentation on camera sensors presented by Cmos sensor inventor Eric explaining why photosites smaller than about 4 micro meters in diameter become affected by diffraction at F:/2.8, and limiting further resolution improvement, I think Canon did the right thing to stick with a 18mp sensor and go for improved light sensitivity, given current sensor technology.

 

[dr croubie]

...you get some benefits for smaller photosites:
Can use a weaker AA filter (or possibly none)

I'm not sure if this is directly a result of smaller photosites, but at any rate the 10MP APS-H Lecia M8, 18MP FF M9, and every Medium Format back have no AA filter, and anyone who's seen a file from one of these knows how sharp they are...

 

[pedro]

But then Canon people also admit that the 5D3 will either have the 18MP 1DX-sensor with less features (ie, probably the exact same everything else as the 5D2 (same 9pt AF, not 19pt, it's not a sports camera, get used to it)), or a 24-36MP sensor that will perform less than the 1DX sensor even when shrunk to 18MP, or else the 5D3 will cannibalise the 1DX sales.
Does nikon not care about cannibalising? Why would they release a 36MP D3X-beater at 1/4 of the price?

For that reason, I'm banking on D800 being 18MP. Although I would actually hope that it's 36MP, because it will light a fire under canon. Either way, I want an announcement, because canon's just going to sit on their plum 5D2-sales until they actually have any real competition from the yellow guys...

I strongly underline that. Hope you are right. An affordable 1Dxish super low light cam would be a dream cam for me. I am no PJ, just a high ISO enthusiast influenced by robert frank and robert capa, the two at once and that's a lot to learn from. 8)