Fuji x100s + Canon Speedlites?
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Grumbaki said:
From my understanding... the X200 was rumored in 2012 and was anticipated to be unveiled Jan. 8th CES 2013 . It was announced at CES 2013 and named the X100S with a release date in early February 2013. I received mine in late April due to the huge demand and backorders. Some were willing to pay upwards of 2000$ when first released. By August of 2013 they were still very difficult to obtain... but I just checked Amazon and if bought today you can receive one by the weekend.
Good news for you... the wait is over ;D
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chilledXpress said:
The naming switch can be mistaking but nope, the wait isn't over
http://www.fujirumors.com/full-frame-x200-coming-2014/
http://www.fujirumors.com/x-roadmap-20142015-weather-sealed-lenses-and-full-frame-x/
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/the-rumor-counterattack-from-fuji-full-frame-x200-coming-in-2014/
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Grumbaki said:
Strange, the X200 was rumored in 2012... Now rumored X200 FF... Regardless, if they release a weather sealed, FF ILC, whatever the name is, I'm down. If it's a fixed FF, I'll wait for the FF Xpro-2 or Xpro FF.
It might very well be a FF fixed due to lens development for a FF sensor... Still wouldn't be enough for me to jump, so ill enjoy my X100s until a ILC FF debuts.
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X200 previous rumors came true, just under another name. This one can too ("x100FF"?)
Should be fixed FF. X100S proved that there is a market for fixed lens but the price point will be very delicate.
I'll still control myself and wait, but it'll be a win anyway as, if i'm not into the x200, there will be a price drop in x100s to enjoy.
Other determinant points will be the lens of course but if the keep the end result (35mm f2) I'd be in.
Should be fixed FF. X100S proved that there is a market for fixed lens but the price point will be very delicate.
I'll still control myself and wait, but it'll be a win anyway as, if i'm not into the x200, there will be a price drop in x100s to enjoy.
Other determinant points will be the lens of course but if the keep the end result (35mm f2) I'd be in.
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Grumbaki said:
I think the name thing is just guessing on everyones part... I do think it's going to be awhile before the next Fuji I want will be out. I've got to many cameras to just buy into the next one coming down the road... Hell, I have a 1DX now gathering dust as it is, with this X100s my trusty 5D3's are even getting lonely.
Good luck on the waiting...
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chilledXpress said:
Well it's a toy not a need to I can wait for it, my diner doesn't rely on it
Would suck to buy in now when some say Fuji will talk about in 2-3 months from now.Yeah I know, rumor games...but this is what this site is about!
Ok let's not derail, I liked this topic as a showcase of realisation!
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chilledXpress said:
Not sure how well the Sony rx1 is doing, but I would imagine not as well as Sony would have hoped. I could be completely off, but that price point for a fixed lens offering, full frame or not is going to cause a lot of hesitation for the average consumer. Considering the x100s is already 1300, I don't fathom a full frame version would be much less than 2k if at all. This for me would be a deal killer. That being said, I will gladly fork over 2k for the body alone if it is an interchangeable lens model.
@Grumbaki - FWIW, the x100s is as close to perfect as I have handled so far for a cam in that class. Assuming you plan on making full use of its unique feature set, it is a bargain in my opinion. Assuming Fuji even comes out with a full frame equivalent, will you want to pony up whatever they will be asking for it? I say enjoy the x100s now and worst comes to worst, you lose a few hundred on the used market if you end up having to upgrade. I'm telling you, it is lifechangingly awesome so far (for me). The only major addition I would really want is IS. But also not absolutely necessary esp at 35mm for most applications.
I also thought it was a toy prior to getting time with it in my hands. Once you realize what you can do with this thing though, you will find you can probably get a lot of actual work done with it. I'm definitely taking it with me on my next paid gig. Check out zack arias if you get a chance.
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I guess my english leaves room for interpretation so lets clarify some points.
As to the whole fixed lens worth it? Well in my very personal opinion it does as long as it's the good one for you. I'm just looking for my 5d3+35f1.4 combo IQ in the smallest (and rugged+sneaky) package possible.
To ChillXpress: By now every consumer knows that or is retarded. But when something is very close to your need but not quite yet up there, what's bad in waiting for the next version when it's credibly rumored to be very soon?
The obvious gains and the adequation to my personal preferences/style would worth the mark up considering my financial situation. Not gonna be sucker punched in the wallet too but you know...JohnDizzo15 said:
Aftermarket where I live sucks balls. Everyone wants the latest of its class and depreciation cost is quite high.
When I say toy it's in its most positive way, as in "A thing I will enjoy to interact with"
As to the whole fixed lens worth it? Well in my very personal opinion it does as long as it's the good one for you. I'm just looking for my 5d3+35f1.4 combo IQ in the smallest (and rugged+sneaky) package possible.
To ChillXpress: By now every consumer knows that or is retarded. But when something is very close to your need but not quite yet up there, what's bad in waiting for the next version when it's credibly rumored to be very soon?
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@Grumbaki and Dylan - While I definitely agree that a full frame version would be utterly awesome to get my hands on, my thought process/vision are a bit different.
My current perspective on the matter is that I wanted the smallest fixed lens package possible and then eventually get a full frame interchangeable lens model at which point size will not matter to me.
If I were to hold off and get a full frame equivalent of an x100s, I would already be at least 2k invested before I even get to the interchangeable lens model. This doesn't work for my personal financial situation since I want a powerful/small rig + a rig which would be for absolute IQ that would probably cost me significantly more to build a kit around.
Putting all that aside, the IQ of this thing is already utterly amazing as it rivals my 5D3 in many situations regardless of it being a cropped sensor. Those who are considering this cam will not be disappointed (assuming they are a user who is willing to learn the system and how to exploit it's feature set).
My current perspective on the matter is that I wanted the smallest fixed lens package possible and then eventually get a full frame interchangeable lens model at which point size will not matter to me.
If I were to hold off and get a full frame equivalent of an x100s, I would already be at least 2k invested before I even get to the interchangeable lens model. This doesn't work for my personal financial situation since I want a powerful/small rig + a rig which would be for absolute IQ that would probably cost me significantly more to build a kit around.
Putting all that aside, the IQ of this thing is already utterly amazing as it rivals my 5D3 in many situations regardless of it being a cropped sensor. Those who are considering this cam will not be disappointed (assuming they are a user who is willing to learn the system and how to exploit it's feature set).
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Dylan777 said:
Dylan, you need to stop posting that beautiful picture of the x100s. You're going to end up making me drop $1300 ha ha
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Pinchers of Peril said:
A small price to pay for sheer joy.
Quick update. I've looked over the several hundred photos I have taken with it since it arrived last Friday and out of all the keepers, 18 of them were shots I would not have gotten with my other rig.
To put this into perspective, these are 18 shots that I absolutely love which employed at least the leaf shutter, built in ND, silent shutter, size/discrete factor, or some combination of a few of those things in order for them to have been possible. This is over the span of a little less than a week and I haven't shot anything in the last two days. This is a huge deal for me since those photos would otherwise not exist. The only question I have left is how much I will be able to accomplish over a longer period of time.
$1300 to open doors to more shooting opportunities/possibilities vs what I've invested for my Canon kit that doesn't? Also, I consider the fact that I have a closet full of lenses each of which cost around the price of the x100s or more? In a nutshell, just do it!
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JohnDizzo15 said:
I think this is a point not many take into consideration. Most of my Canon lenses are more costly than the X100S... in the end, it's such a minor investment that it was hard not to buy.
The rumored FF fixed is not what I want or need, pretty much have that covered at this point... I may not even need a Fuji FF ILC, it's more of a want than a need. The thing about this X100S is that it opened doors for me that nothing else I own did. It met a need and a want all at the same time.
With the GAS situ (I suffered for years), I collected cameras... Canon, Rollies, Leica, Nikon. Much of which stays tucked away in Pelicans or in cases. You only have two hands and can carry so much... I began to realize what was important was finding gear that helped not hindered. My Canon's help with work, the X100S helps with the family and everything else I enjoy about photography. It brought me back to the days when I only had my dad's old 35mm, beat to hell and I didn't care. It was easy and fun, I enjoyed taking pictures for the sake of taking pictures. It wasn't about bodies and lenses at that time, somewhere I got a bit lost and afflicted with GAS. I'm recovering now, baby steps... at first it was hard to not carry the backpack, the 5D3 and yea a second 5D3, oh...and the 50, and the 135, oh...yea the 70-200 might need that and while I'm at it better take the 24-70... it was a vicious cycle. It is totally liberating, I reach for the little Fuji and then grab the diaper bag... that's it!
So you goona start that thread John or should I? Dylan and John, you guys on Flickr? Local to Cali? I use Flickr for social stuff, camera clubs and meet ups... you guys every done any of that? Check page 4 of this thread... I have my profile info there if you're interested.
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chilledXpress said:
I actually tried to send you a PM from my phone but just checked my sent messages and realized it didn't send. Wasn't trying to ignore that post. lol.
Anyhow, I do have a Flickr account but nothing on it really. My buddy has been trying to get me to register at 500px. Will link up with you on Flickr once I start using it regularly. Most of my stuff is for family and friends at this point so FB (as lame as it is) and emails are where most of my stuff goes. No clubs. My buddy keeps trying to get me to come out to meet with the locals from FB (here in Cali) for their monthly meets but haven't gotten felt inclined enough to use one of my hall passes for it yet.
I'll leave the other post to you. Wasn't sure of exact title or where it would be best served to post to (categorically).
Re the Fuji, it really does take me back to basics and relieves me of all my concern about what I need to pack. I seriously have just the cam and a battery in my pocket now. I had been going through the same thing you mentioned as far as packing goes. Oh I'll need this, but wait, what if I need that....
Some more specifics on the mental work I did when making the decision to buy the Fuji. Before pulling the trigger, I had a 50mm lens in each of my hands and one sitting in front of me totalling roughly 4k in cost all together. I was trying to decide which one I wanted to take out that day or if I should just bring two. At this point, the light bulb goes off and the epiphany sets in. For about the cost of any one of those three 50mm (or the 24, 35, 85, etc etc), I cured myself of this thought process and freed myself.
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Got your message, can't reply though, CR doesn't have your contact info... I'll stick with John to keep it safe
No worries about Flickr, totally understand. I don't do Facebook anymore, it's been about a year off that site for me. I use Flickr for basically the same thing, sharing photos with the family and the social aspect. I do enjoy the meet-ups, I've done quite a few of them in San Francisco, San Jose and Santa Cruz. I've met a lot of great photographers through the years. Just this last May I actually met up with some California and Hawai'i Flickr contacts while in Maui. For the last 15 or so years we always go to the islands so I'm pretty well versed on the standard sites but this was the first time I got to go to places and shoot areas not on the usual list... all due to meeting local photographers. It was an invaluable experience and now have some Big Island and Kauai invites, looking forward to next year already.
I'll think about the thread and open one up... Wonder how it will go over on a Canon site.
No worries about Flickr, totally understand. I don't do Facebook anymore, it's been about a year off that site for me. I use Flickr for basically the same thing, sharing photos with the family and the social aspect. I do enjoy the meet-ups, I've done quite a few of them in San Francisco, San Jose and Santa Cruz. I've met a lot of great photographers through the years. Just this last May I actually met up with some California and Hawai'i Flickr contacts while in Maui. For the last 15 or so years we always go to the islands so I'm pretty well versed on the standard sites but this was the first time I got to go to places and shoot areas not on the usual list... all due to meeting local photographers. It was an invaluable experience and now have some Big Island and Kauai invites, looking forward to next year already.
I'll think about the thread and open one up... Wonder how it will go over on a Canon site.
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I for one can say that I wished that there were a thread like that when the x100s first came out. I have been a Canon loyalist for a long time and have the closet to prove it. But if there is one thing that I am loyal to above all else (with regard to photography), is anything that will help me capture the best images I can get in a given set of circumstances. It is sometimes hard for us (Canon guys) or anyone else who is invested in an ecosystem to see outside of that box. It took months and months of chatter from my buddy to get me to even take a serious look at Fuji. If there existed a thread like the one you will be creating or this one, I think the decision would have been a lot easier for me since being a Canon guy, I got very little information about other brands based on the places on the net I used to frequent.
I'm a firm believer in simply using the best tool for the job. This cam happens to be a perfect meeting of the being the best tool at the right price for me. It would please me to be able to help others who are looking for something similar to see the light which took me a while to see. I honestly wish I would have ordered one of these months ago now.
Regardless of how much I love this thing, I am still holding onto most of my Canon kit as there is still a lot that it can/will do for me. I've come to the realization in the last few days (after a lot of self-debate) that Canon will eventually make some major updates/innovations to their bodies and I want to still have the glass around to be prepped for it. I'm not dying or in a hurry to get the next big thing and I know it will come when it comes. I'll be patient in that regard.
Tech is tech. And if history tells us anything, the cycle will continue which will require that Canon ultimately counter attack with something new at some point. Not that the 5D3 isn't awesome, it's appeal just doesn't force me to put the Fuji down at the moment. But when Canon puts out the big megapixel camera or new sensor tech that sets the new industry standard, the innovations may be so incredible that I'll once again be inclined to pull out the big rig. Until then, this Fuji will keep me busy.
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Same here John... as much as I love the Fuji, I'm never going to give up my Canons. Well, may sell the 1DX to fund a serious jump into a FF ILC from Fuji but I'm not in any rush. The X100S fits exactly where it needed to in my kit. The image quality got me into the Xpro1 but it's not as "nice" as the 100. It's also verging on being another backpack of gear I don't need to deal with. That may be the same situation with FF version. Don't even get me started with the Rollie... film is a whole nother world of gear I didn't really "need".
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