Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

[PackLight]

It should be obvious to everyone that Canon is at the point they may declare bankruptcy.
I just read this article, and apparantly Canon is doing much worse than thought.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/canon-u-closes-2012-award-140000960.html

Yes, and contrast that with Sony's incredible performance. http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/14/3647536/sony-convertible-bond-image-sensor-investment

I guess those superior-in-every-way sensors from Sony that I keep reading about on this forum are really helping the company.

Sony is a great company, but they should stick to TV's and making movies like Skyfall.

 

[sandymandy]

Sony is a great company, but they should stick to TV's and making movies like Skyfall.

Sony produces the sensor for Nikon D600.
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/11/08/teardowns-of-nikon-d600-reveal-sony-sensor-hard-to-replace-lcd-screen/
Perhaps even in other models?

Yep, just read it d800 too. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/29/confirmed-the-sensor-inside-the-nikon-d800-is-made-by-sony.aspx/

 

[jrista]

Sony is a great company, but they should stick to TV's and making movies like Skyfall.

Sony produces the sensor for Nikon D600.
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/11/08/teardowns-of-nikon-d600-reveal-sony-sensor-hard-to-replace-lcd-screen/
Perhaps even in other models?

Yep, just read it d800 too. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/29/confirmed-the-sensor-inside-the-nikon-d800-is-made-by-sony.aspx/

Um, yes...really, Really, REALLY OOOOLD news?

D7000, D800, D600, D3200 all use Sony Exmor sensors. Pentax K5 uses one as well. A number of other competing camera manufacturers, as well as dozens of compact camera and cell phone brands all use Sony sensors. You might as well expect a "Sony Inside" logo in half the products on the market that have an imaging sensor.

 

[Simba]

Sony is a great company, but they should stick to TV's and making movies like Skyfall.

Sony produces the sensor for Nikon D600.
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/11/08/teardowns-of-nikon-d600-reveal-sony-sensor-hard-to-replace-lcd-screen/
Perhaps even in other models?

Yep, just read it d800 too. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/29/confirmed-the-sensor-inside-the-nikon-d800-is-made-by-sony.aspx/

Um, yes...really, Really, REALLY OOOOLD news?

D7000, D800, D600, D3200 all use Sony Exmor sensors. Pentax K5 uses one as well. A number of other competing camera manufacturers, as well as dozens of compact camera and cell phone brands all use Sony sensors. You might as well expect a "Sony Inside" logo in half the products on the market that have an imaging sensor.

For the Nikon dSLR cameras released this year, D3200 and D4 have Nikon sensors, and D5200, D600, and D800 have Sony sensors. They are all damn good. Great to have competition.
http://www.sensorgen.info/

 

[jukka]

he now shoots Canon

His gear list is all Nikon, save for the G12.

Yes that is true. He is begging borrowing Canon stuff as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably. Nikon cannot fix these cameras.

as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably?

in what way?


Here is a true story, on a long-term phenomenon and who many seems to have forgotten


Beijing Olympics.
One of the best sports photographers seek Canon service tent for the third time, the photographer does not get as sharp images as his colleagues who use Nikon equipment. After visit the service tent 3 times he got a straight answer, what do you expect, it's a Canon.
The photographer wanders off to Nikon and borrow 2 x D3 house with lenses.

After the Olympics, there was a massive switch to Nikon, which still persist in Europe,today many of the major newspapers, photo agencies use D3s D4.

So do not talk too loudly about an AF point who is not working as it should in a semi pro camera and from the first series
As I understand it, the problem is solved

Ei vittu järjestely voi hyvinkin yksinkertaistettu viestiä

Well the D4 and D800 both suffered lockups, the D800 and D800E both suffered AF sensor misalignment, the D4 and D800/E have a very peculiar screen hue, unless green is your favourite colour. The D600 has a dust issue on the sensor that is an engineering fault. The D4 and D800/E had/has a tethered Live View issue when in M mode. The D800 had various card write speed issues when released, and many Nikon bodies just won't support some popular cards (Kingston). The D800 has flash master triggering issues.

Then, of course, there were the exploding D800's, well a few of them went pop. The D800 has long exposure issues too, and what about the ViewNX2 to Lightroom issue where D800 users couldn't open their Nikon exported files in Lightroom?

Now if we get bored with body issues we could move to lens issues? Nikon has a ridiculous list of compatibility issues with its lenses, yes you might be able to physically mount a lens to a body, but that doesn't mean that body can actually take an image, when you look at Nikon's lens "solutions" it makes EF, EF-s and EF-m seem so logical. Then there are the various reports of bad sharpness at distance with the 200-400, a lens I am pretty sure Canon will get right, and I for one would far rather have something I can rely on tomorrow than something I can't rely on today. The Nikon tilt shifts are optically on a par with Canon's MkI models and are factory set with tilt and shift orientation, again just like Canon's MkI T/S lenses, but they are priced hundreds of dollars higher, indeed they are priced similar to Canon's MkII lenses. How about the current 70-200 f2.8 at $2,400 that is, in actuality, closer to a 70-135 at MFD? But we could list things like this forever.

The grass always seems greener on the other side of the hill..........

But, if AF is your raison d'êtres, then anybody who has used a D4 and a 1Dx together can be in no doubt that for the majority of situations the 1Dx is the better performing camera. Of course most of us have many more than one narrow criteria for choosing a system, be that lenses, crop factors, sensor performance etc etc, but, once you turn pro you can have as much dynamic range as God himself, if the image is not in focus you are not getting paid.

Canon did themselves immeasurable harm amongst pros with the 1D MkIII AF fiasco, they have remade a lot of friends with the 1Dx.

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

 

[HarryWintergreen]

Canon is without doubt a big player in the DSLR business. Canon cameras are faster, Nikon Cameras have a better dynamic range. To me that's a matter of personal taste, nothing else. But when it comes to the non DSLR business I don't see any innovative power. Canon's just reacting on a prettying modest level. This is a bit disappointing.

 

[Deleted member 91053]

he now shoots Canon

His gear list is all Nikon, save for the G12.

Yes that is true. He is begging borrowing Canon stuff as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably. Nikon cannot fix these cameras.

as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably?

in what way?


Here is a true story, on a long-term phenomenon and who many seems to have forgotten


Beijing Olympics.
One of the best sports photographers seek Canon service tent for the third time, the photographer does not get as sharp images as his colleagues who use Nikon equipment. After visit the service tent 3 times he got a straight answer, what do you expect, it's a Canon.
The photographer wanders off to Nikon and borrow 2 x D3 house with lenses.

After the Olympics, there was a massive switch to Nikon, which still persist in Europe,today many of the major newspapers, photo agencies use D3s D4.

So do not talk too loudly about an AF point who is not working as it should in a semi pro camera and from the first series
As I understand it, the problem is solved

Ei vittu järjestely voi hyvinkin yksinkertaistettu viestiä

I believe he describes it as stalling/coughing. Andy switched to Nikon a few years ago due to the introduction of the D3 and he had always wanjted the Nikon 200-400. On his last few international trips he has borrowed 1Dx's and an IR adapted 5D (Mk2 I think) + lenses, don't think he would do that unless he had to.
I am going to one of his lectures on the 30th, it will be interesting to see what he has to say.
Have a look at his Twitter/Facebook pages.

 

[jukka]

no, it is easier than that, if some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

 

[rpt]

no, it is easier than that, if some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

But wouldn't you have to edit every picture in post since you artificially changed the AWB?

 

[friedmud]

no, it is easier than that, if some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

But wouldn't you have to edit every picture in post since you artificially changed the AWB?

What? Why?

I haven't noticed the "green screen" on my D600... but even if the screen were off a bit it wouldn't matter. I don't know anyone that modifies the WB based on how things look on the back screen. You either pick a WB preset based on the lighting (like the tungsten setting), use a grey card for a custom setting or leave it on Auto.

So it wouldn't matter if the screen were off a little bit... it only effects your view while shooting... and not the actual values in the file.

I'll compare the back screen view vs my computer screen and see if I can see any green tint...

 

[friedmud]

no, it is easier than that, if some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

But wouldn't you have to edit every picture in post since you artificially changed the AWB?

Wait now I see what Jukka was saying... and you are right. It would be foolish to modify the WB setting to compensate for the screen. What a real pain to deal with in post!

 

[friedmud]

I compared the same photo on the screen on the back of my D600 to my laptop (recent 15" MacBook Pro) screen and they are very similar. My laptop tends to be a bit warm... and it is slightly warmer than the back screen on the D600, but I couldn't see any "green cast" on the screen in the slightest.

 

[jukka]

it is d800 who has a little more yellow tint in the LCD
If I compare my canon and nikon d800 there should be a middle way, the Canon LCD is little bit red/magenta and d800 little green /yellow

 

[jukka]

no, it is easier than that, if some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

But wouldn't you have to edit every picture in post since you artificially changed the AWB?

Wait now I see what Jukka was saying... and you are right. It would be foolish to modify the WB setting to compensate for the screen. What a real pain to deal with in post!

Get used to se the difference, I have and it is nothing I think about after a while

 

[jukka]

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

Do you profile your cameras playback screen? If so how? If Nikon resort to a firmware "fix" to sort it out then I can be pretty sure you can't.......

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/22/nikon-refutes-greenish-tint-issues-says-lcd-on-d4d800-is-more-accurate/
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-to-issue-firmware-update-to-correct-green-screen-issue-1086098

NO , but the LCD jpg rendition mirrors the chosen profile and settings in the camera

 

[nightbreath]

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

Do you profile your cameras playback screen? If so how? If Nikon resort to a firmware "fix" to sort it out then I can be pretty sure you can't.......

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/22/nikon-refutes-greenish-tint-issues-says-lcd-on-d4d800-is-more-accurate/
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-to-issue-firmware-update-to-correct-green-screen-issue-1086098

NO , but the LCD jpg rendition mirrors the chosen profile and settings in the camera

If you look at D3s vs. D800 screen, there's visible degradation in color rendition in the latter. And it happens when you look at the same file.

Am I wrong?

 

[amazin]

Well, look at the glass lineup Canon has and look at others... Canon Rules on this side!

So i am wondering... is there a Nikon troll who sneak in this forum to start that subject? Or are we all so fans of Canon that we are somehow blind at this supposed declined?

 

[nightbreath]

Well, look at the glass lineup Canon has and look at others... Canon Rules on this side!

So i am wondering... is there a Nikon troll who sneak in this forum to start that subject? Or are we all so fans of Canon that we are somehow blind at this supposed declined?

I believe there are small things that we like much enough to close our eyes on things that care others

 

[picturesbyme]

Cheeseburger!

 

[Jesse]

@el bouv, your pictures are horrible. Can clearly tell you're using bad technology.