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Although I am not interested (I am an amateur, I do not need it and I cannot afford it at the same time)Bob Howland said:
this is the first reasonable explanation why someone should get a Nikon combination. A possible other combination could be a D800 with a 14-24 but still I would get a TSE-17mm instead (to complement my TSE-24mm II)
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JOINING is the correct word. I can't justifiably contemplate a complete switch; too many accessories and lenses to consider.
I recently added a little D5100 to my collection, and a few lenses suitable for crop or FF. Good for getting familiar with a different way of doing things.
DARK SIDE it also appropriate. The N camp records "dark" better than the C camp can.
Looking forward to another learning curve when my D800 arrives. Meanwhile, now that I better know the specific shortcomings of the various EOS bodies I use, I should be able to avoid any massive IQ disappointments in challenging conditions.
Right tool for the job - it's good to have a choice.
I recently added a little D5100 to my collection, and a few lenses suitable for crop or FF. Good for getting familiar with a different way of doing things.
DARK SIDE it also appropriate. The N camp records "dark" better than the C camp can.
Looking forward to another learning curve when my D800 arrives. Meanwhile, now that I better know the specific shortcomings of the various EOS bodies I use, I should be able to avoid any massive IQ disappointments in challenging conditions.
Right tool for the job - it's good to have a choice.
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Wouldn't I use both systems anyway I would - summer is coming, time for outdoor flash, and the D800 can be used with flash at about one stop faster shutter speeds(the data sheets play the actual difference down).
Which means not only twice the shots from a battery pack, but also faster t0.1-duration paired with shorter ambient exposure for better motion freezing.
Which means not only twice the shots from a battery pack, but also faster t0.1-duration paired with shorter ambient exposure for better motion freezing.
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DavidRiesenberg said:
I agree canon has a better selection of telephotos (which aren't of my concern), but I see nikon has all the essentials covered which tend to the the fast 2.8 and f4 versions up to 600mm. T/S are very specialized and the only one I see nikon lacking for now is the 17mm. Again, a very specialty item which I wouldn't buy even from canon. So yes, there are particular models on both sides which are unique in both character and purpose, but it is a far cry from 10 years ago when nikon literally had nothing that was decades old and a severe lack of USM primes. Luckly for me, and I realize others may not share this, but nikon's lineup has same or equivalent versions of everything I need, and I even get to try that 14-24 everybody raves about 8)
Anyways, I've placed my D800 order. Now the waiting begins. I won't get rid of my canon gear until I have a few weeks to play with the D800. But given all the glowing reviews, I suspect this is it for me and canon, at least until the next generation arrives.
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psolberg said:
Not sure Nikon will actually fulfill all current orders by the time the next generation comes. ;D
j/k I am sure you will be more than happy with the D800
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another week with the D800 and looks like I'm keeping it for good.
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The dynamic range on this camera is beyond my expecations. shadows are recoverable to levels which no canon camera I've owened is capable of, and detail on the recovered areas is very very clean. You can also bring highlights from the dead in LR4. This is the first camera I've owned where a single still can effectively serve as a good HDR image by itself. I still need to bracket for extreme scenes and to retain color, but it is maknig me re-think what was possible before from a single image.
getting the most out of the resolution is relatively trivial with good nikon glass. This is after all the same pixel pitch as a 16MP APS-C body, not even 7D territory much less D3200. As with the 5DmkII, good support and technique is needed to maximize the gains.
Video is very detailed as I'd hoped. Much improved over the 5DmkIII waxy soft look on detailed textures. However like the MkIII, the codec just doesnt' deal with motion very well. Foturnately the atomos ninja 2 will be soon part of my rig to address that and I'll be recording from the clean HDMI out. Lastly, the mosaic engineering AA filter seems to address the moire issue (although it isn't anywhere nearly as bad as with the 5DmkII). I may get it just as an insurance piece of gear but nothing I've shot has had moire issues. I admitedly don't shoot a lot near brick walls or large horizontal patterns so YMMV.
I'm 90% sold on it. Just need to test it with more nikon glass. Btw, 14-24 nikkor. OMG. what a lens.
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The dynamic range on this camera is beyond my expecations. shadows are recoverable to levels which no canon camera I've owened is capable of, and detail on the recovered areas is very very clean. You can also bring highlights from the dead in LR4. This is the first camera I've owned where a single still can effectively serve as a good HDR image by itself. I still need to bracket for extreme scenes and to retain color, but it is maknig me re-think what was possible before from a single image.
getting the most out of the resolution is relatively trivial with good nikon glass. This is after all the same pixel pitch as a 16MP APS-C body, not even 7D territory much less D3200. As with the 5DmkII, good support and technique is needed to maximize the gains.
Video is very detailed as I'd hoped. Much improved over the 5DmkIII waxy soft look on detailed textures. However like the MkIII, the codec just doesnt' deal with motion very well. Foturnately the atomos ninja 2 will be soon part of my rig to address that and I'll be recording from the clean HDMI out. Lastly, the mosaic engineering AA filter seems to address the moire issue (although it isn't anywhere nearly as bad as with the 5DmkII). I may get it just as an insurance piece of gear but nothing I've shot has had moire issues. I admitedly don't shoot a lot near brick walls or large horizontal patterns so YMMV.
I'm 90% sold on it. Just need to test it with more nikon glass. Btw, 14-24 nikkor. OMG. what a lens.
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I too am testing the d800. As a very happy 5d II & III owner, along with a Pentax 645D system, the D800 is more than intriguing to me.
Looking to dump the 645D as its processing time is unbelievably pathetic. 6+ seconds to see a preview... Clients get annoyed really quickly.
I did do a 3 camera test with the pentax 645D, 5D III, & D800. Nothing super fancy. Just checking sharpness at 100%.
They ranked in the order as listed above. Unfortunately. I really wanted to dump the 645D. The D 800 was soft. So soft I mounted the camera on a tripod, used mirror lock up, etc. the shots were at 160thof a second at f9. Clearly no need to use MU AT 160. But I had to rule it out. I took the samples to my local shop, knowing my 20 year pro career, they were baffled as user error was not going to be an issue
. As they have seen strong results from the D800, they believe this is a "bad camera" as we swapped multiple lenses and copies of those lenses at the store. Same result. Soft!!! Perfect. On a camera you can not get your hands on, I need another copy to test. Ugh!!!
The 645D was sharp as sharp could be. Reason enough to put up with its dog slow performance. Don't get me wrong the 5D III rocks. I love it. It will remain in my bag. Hopefully making room for a 30+ MP camera from canon soon.
Looking to dump the 645D as its processing time is unbelievably pathetic. 6+ seconds to see a preview... Clients get annoyed really quickly.
I did do a 3 camera test with the pentax 645D, 5D III, & D800. Nothing super fancy. Just checking sharpness at 100%.
They ranked in the order as listed above. Unfortunately. I really wanted to dump the 645D. The D 800 was soft. So soft I mounted the camera on a tripod, used mirror lock up, etc. the shots were at 160thof a second at f9. Clearly no need to use MU AT 160. But I had to rule it out. I took the samples to my local shop, knowing my 20 year pro career, they were baffled as user error was not going to be an issue
. As they have seen strong results from the D800, they believe this is a "bad camera" as we swapped multiple lenses and copies of those lenses at the store. Same result. Soft!!! Perfect. On a camera you can not get your hands on, I need another copy to test. Ugh!!!The 645D was sharp as sharp could be. Reason enough to put up with its dog slow performance. Don't get me wrong the 5D III rocks. I love it. It will remain in my bag. Hopefully making room for a 30+ MP camera from canon soon.
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I'd just like to quote something Nobuyoshi Araki, one of Japan's greatest contemporary photographers, said about Daido Moriyama, another photographer considered one of the greatest in Japan. Just some food for thought.
“The photographer has been a slave to the camera for a long time. Good camera, good lens, Leica, etc – these were the masters of the photographers. But in a way, Daido Moriyama is a photographer who started to make the camera his slave. Photography is not about the camera.Of course we need the camera. If you want to write a romantic love letter, we need some tool to write it with.
But anything – a pencil or ballpoint pen – is fine.”
-Nobuyoshi Araki
“The photographer has been a slave to the camera for a long time. Good camera, good lens, Leica, etc – these were the masters of the photographers. But in a way, Daido Moriyama is a photographer who started to make the camera his slave. Photography is not about the camera.Of course we need the camera. If you want to write a romantic love letter, we need some tool to write it with.
But anything – a pencil or ballpoint pen – is fine.”
-Nobuyoshi Araki
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Scott said:
Potato - pot-ah-to. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages. After picking one system and learning how to deal with certain issues I wouldn't make a switch in either direction. Either company will always come out with something that looks desirable (like the D800e, or the new Canon speedlites). Usually the other competitor will follow soon after.
I can only see going to something entirely different, like the Leica rangefinders or medium format - if I win the lottery that is.
Canon or Nikon is only worth considering if you have to start over anyway - like when I moved from film (Canon FD) to digital.
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i am soooo tempted to get d800! I used to have nikon but then 2 years ago i switched from d700 to mark ii and was SO happy - AF, controls, colors - everything was better on Mark ii! i don't mind switching gears once in a while...i love how much detail you can get on d800...I mostly photograph kids and newborns (wouldn't it be great to see EVERY little detail on those little feet?), using natural light most of the time... So i need good AF, kids run run run....As i understand AF is better on Mark III....Colors are better in canon but it is fixable.....Should i think about switching? i can't decide!!
would you get d800E for portraits and people or just d800?
would you get d800E for portraits and people or just d800?
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