The main reason those lenses stopped being made was for the same reason the 1200 stopped being made. Cost.No it actually is a big negative and the reason so many 800L owners sold them and bought 600II lenses when it came out. You had IQ that matched the 800L when you shot the 600 at 840. You had 1.4x better magnification and at a more reasonable 4.5m MFD. You had more supported AF points and you had a lighter lens. The 800L was special for its time but once the 600II (and now the III) came along the 800L is an inferior option IMO unless you can scoop one up for a super cheap used deal. I wonder why Canon never made a 2nd version of it....hhmmmmm...
Was it cost? The 800mm is an f/5.6 and has a slightly smaller diameter front element than the 600mm f/4. I'd be surprised if there is much difference in cost of manufacture. A 600mm f/4 is just so much more versatile giving 600mm f/4, 840mm f/5.6 and 1200mm f/8, compared with 800mm f/5.6 and 1120mm f/8.The main reason those lenses stopped being made was for the same reason the 1200 stopped being made. Cost.
I've posted elsewhere here that on a 50 Mpx sensor dropping the aperture from from f/5.6 to f/11 loses about 15% in resolution because of diffraction.Wot no green ring?
One thing concerns me is that the f/11 will be diffraction limited on many sensors. I'll have to wait for some of the reviews to see how good these really are.
Yep. I'm stunned. You were righter and I was wronger.Ok definitely the 600mm price was a bit delusional but I wasn’t far off on the 800mm price!![]()
Don't disagree. I own the Sigma Contemporary and while I'd like something lighter, it's not worth the trade off in f/stop. It's hard enough to get enough light for f6.3, much less for f11.true but its already paid for and any purchase nowadays is difficult to justify, the R was bought for peanuts
We needed big apertures in the past for the following reasons:Why f11 what am I missing here.
I imagine they'll come out with extension tubes soon enough. I could use a 12mm tube on my 600/4 and still infinity focus, due I assume to tolerances in the system.Maybe not a problem in your world, but it is in mine. I use the same lens for birds and butterflies and dragonflies. My 100-400 and hopefully the new 100-500 as well get me down to 1m mfd and as long as 700-1000mm for reach with a TC. And I also use a 500mm PF with a mfd of 3m, and will take TCs at the same mfd. When you go out on a nature hike with one lens (and I admit that would not be a 800/5.6), you need both decent mfd as well as reach.
They should still be able to do a great job giving blurred, smooth backgrounds.Not a lens to render smooth backgrounds tho for wildlife then.
It might be rather a long extension to have a serious effect on the mfd of an 800mm lens. How much effect on mfd does the 12mm have on your 600mm?I imagine they'll come out with extension tubes soon enough. I could use a 12mm tube on my 600/4 and still infinity focus, due I assume to tolerances in the system.
I like butterflies, so if I got one of these I'd totally get an extension tube for it.
Actually f/6.3 and f/11 are about 1.7 stops apart, f/9 would be one stop from f/6.3.Come on, that's less than a stop different, and the new camera's sensor may well be enough improved that it's a wash.
Modern sensors are very efficient at harvesting light and there is very little room for improvement, unfortunately.Come on, that's less than a stop different, and the new camera's sensor may well be enough improved that it's a wash.
I'm interested that the Canon Software claims to be able to correct even this diffraction to some extent but I can't figure out how. (As an engineer many things I can figure out but not this.)I've posted elsewhere here that on a 50 Mpx sensor dropping the aperture from from f/5.6 to f/11 loses about 15% in resolution because of diffraction.
Well, dynamic range can easily be doubled, and I'm actually thinking we'll probably move to an 8-primary system at some point, probably with Apple leading the way, in order to capture 98%+ of the visible color range... Though as far as noise, you're certainly right that there's little room for improvement. And yet, what little room there is doesn't mean that improvement's impossible.Modern sensors are very efficient at harvesting light and there is very little room for improvement, unfortunately.
It is probably a Form of deconvolution they are using, similarly to the SmartSharpen Filter in Photoshop? I haven't used the Canon one myself, so that's just a guess.I'm interested that the Canon Software claims to be able to correct even this diffraction to some extent but I can't figure out how. (As an engineer many things I can figure out but not this.)
You have made this point a couple of times. But its wholly irrelevant. The subject distance used for a 600mm lens and 50mm lens are typically completely different and so is the focusing distance btw. So different F/-stops going from say 600mm f/5.6 to F/11 absolutely matters because it shows different degrees of blur - at a long distance.The 600/11 will have a 54mm aperture. Even the 50mm f/1.0L lens only had a 50mm aperture, so this will blur even more than the 50/1.0 wide open.
The 800/11 will have a 72mm aperture, which is the square root of two bigger than the 50mm's 50mm aperture. That means the blur would be 1.4x the width, or 2.0x the area, as you'd see by cropping a 50/1.0L image after shooting both lenses wide open.
Neither can I Frank. I think for simple systems you can do Fourier analysis of the point spread function but I don't know how they do this for the digital images that we generate.I'm interested that the Canon Software claims to be able to correct even this diffraction to some extent but I can't figure out how. (As an engineer many things I can figure out but not this.)
Of course. I NEVER qualified as: if the subject distance was the same.You have made this point a couple of times. But its wholly irrelevant. The subject distance used for a 600mm lens and 50mm lens are typically completely different
Wow, "you and others" wasted your money then. Even stopped down a fair amount you can get pretty blurry backgrounds. My above note on aperture is a mini-course on the subject and you could clearly use it. Meanwhile, the actual reasons most people buy the big lenses are explained in my other note above. You're welcome to scroll back and study it too.This is why I and others are willing to pay a huge premium to have a 300mm and 400mm f/2.8 in stead of a 300mm f/4 or 400mm f/5.6 lens.