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Certainly not me. I wouldn't pay $1,600 for an APS-H sensor in a 7D body.
APS-H is dead...dead...dead. (Except possibly for some very limited niche uses, such as security cameras). Canon's executives have said as much in interviews. Canon never made lenses for the APS-H sensor. The difference in image quality is marginal at best and shrinking. I'd much rather have real improvements to the 7D than recycling a sensor that makes my APS-C lenses worthless.
Besides, why would anyone pay nearly $1,000 more for a 1.3 crop sensor than the 5D II is currently selling for? If I wanted to go to a larger sensor, I'd just buy a 5D II.
neuroanatomist said:
Not $4,299 certainly. But I doubt Canon would bring one to market at that price point. Offer it at half that price and I'm in. (I'd accept some compromises to reach that price point, obviously.)
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BaconBets said:
Maybe in terms of short terms development cost, but I was thinking that production wise they would now have to carry another skew (sensor type) in addition to their APS-C and FF. This would also mean we would get the existing APS-H sensor as is with no improvement if they were to do it and add no R&D cost. So I was more thinking in term of production, and future development cost. I could be totally of base here.
It is sad that after spending the money on this sensor they would drop it completely.
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KeithR said:
Yep, that looks fairly noisy, and judging by the exposure settings, was shot in a reasonable amount of light (presumably as a test?), which also helps. Looks like a fair bit of NR, too...perhaps with ACR, but even if not, reducing it to 20% of original size provides substantial NR.
The 1D IV would look that "good" at ISO 25600.
Oh, please - what a bloody stupid thing to say.
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No, it's not, but your comment is a bloody rude thing to say, IMO. Perhaps you just have a different (i.e. lower) definition of 'high image quality'.
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neuroanatomist said:
Why would you prefer an APS-C over the APS-H? Is it because it would givce you a longer reach with your lenses? I though the APS-H sensor was better then the APS-C sensor?
In anycase I would be a buyer for any crop type sensor new camera with pro-level body and AF, to complement the 1DX. Not sure if I would prefer the 1 series form factor or something smaller to make it easier to carry around...
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JR said:
Yes, for the longer reach (apparent reach, that is, meaning more pixels on target when focal length is limiting). While it's true that the APS-H sensor delivers better IQ and less noise, if you have to crop the 1.3x image to the FoV of the 1.6x, the IQ is no better (worse if you have to crop even more, i.e. if the 1.6x image had to be cropped), and the resulting image would be much lower resolution, too.
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neuroanatomist said:
Make sense. Your config would also provide better differentiation with the FF of the 1DX in the sense that if you already have a FF (1DX or other), getting a 1.6x crop sensor gives you a better delta then a 1.3x crop factor. I guess I forgot about this when I wrote my initial question...
Am sure the next 12 months will be very interesting when Canon unfold its full line-up...
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neuroanatomist said:
Neuro, I can't dispute that if an APS-C were released with 1d/5d level performance, there would certainly be interest in it. But right now that is a hypothetical sensor that would require new R&D and lead time. The 1d4 sensor is real and ready to go...and until the 1dx is released, is still Canon's best for events, sports and movies
If Nikon were to recycle their 12mp d3s sensor into the 700s with movie functionality in 2012, Canon would have their hands full.
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neuroanatomist said:
I would try to.... might have to wait for a while until it got a bit cheaper, but I would be hugely interested in it...
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BaconBets said:
It wouldn't have FF performance, but an incremental bump from current (keeping 18 MP) seems reasonable.
I'm not so sure it's as easy as dropping the sensor in, at least not for $3K. Would they just reuse the 1DIV AF (pro grade), give it the same (pro) 300K shutter durability, same VF coverage? I think lots of redesign would be necessary to use a 'ready to go' sensor, or they'd have to charge a pro price (>$4K), which without an actual pro build and sealing, seems a hard sell.
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neuroanatomist said:
There would be some work involved for sure, but I think it would be taking the guts, making some compromises in the hardware and tweaking vs. building a whole new cam from the ground up. I have to believe Canon is capable of this for $3k if Nikon has already done it.
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I for one would not want an APS-H sensor in a 7D II or 6D. I use the 7D for sports and wildlife and welcome the 1.6x crop factor. I use the 5D II for everything else. I really do not see the need for 1.3x crop. I'd say put in the 45 point AF into the 7DII and keep it a 1.6x and give it 10 FPS. That would suite me just fine.
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It was not so much "needing" a 1.3x crop as it was hunting high end image quality.jasonsim said:
Of course if Canon put a 1dx sensor in there I would buy it yesterday, but that will happen when they start putting M3 engines in VW Jettas.
And no APS-C sensor to date can hang. (Although the D7000 1.5x is pretty damn good)
But I will give it to you, if they released a 7d2 with pro IQ APS-C, 45 AF and 10 FPS for a 7d price....would have to buy one!! LOL (please refer to above comment about Jettas)
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BaconBets said:
No room in the lineup for that camera. Why don't you just buy my mk4 when I FINALLY get the 1d X with proper AF and FF?
You see what happened with the 60d, everybody started bitching about it being less of a camera than a 50d, but what should Canon do to place a camera between the 7d and the 550d... So if they should both have a 1d X, a "7d" with H-sensor, and the 5d3 AND the 7d2, how would you spec them to make prices in between each other. Doesn't make sense.. If the 5d3 get proper AF, you have it too close to the 1d X, this is what happened, with IQ of the 5d2 and the 1ds3, they killed each other. And the 7d is a BIG seller, and so is the 5d2. Most people don't need 10 or 12 fps, or that insane tracking capibility, well, they need it, they just don't want to shell out that kind of money. And if they do, they buy a 1d X which is MUCH cheaper than most people thought it would be, comparing to the 1ds3. They will end up too close to each other, or you feel that one of these camera is only spec'd to fit a market, not to actually be proper camera filling a gap. Why do you think Canon killed the H-sensor? mk3 owners or would be mk4 owners started getting the 7d, Canon needs to make space, not fill gaps as I see it. Should they also release a camera between the g12 and s95/s100?
IF you get a 7d type body with H-sensor and 7-8 fps, I would still buy a used mk4, because it was made to be as good as it gets... And if you haven't opened up a 1d and see the inside, you really have no idea how stuffed it is to make it work like they do. And when you see what they have done with the 1d X, and only two stop better iso, it takes some serious engineering to move on from each better model, and then to half all that in size in $3000 dollar body? "the technology exist"? I don't think so...
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