How many of you would....

[handsomerob]

I walk around with the 400 f/2.8 on the 1d4 and the 70-200 f/2.8 II on the 5DII. I use a Black Rapid double strap to help.

Seems you like to get attention

 

[briansquibb]

I walk around with the 400 f/2.8 on the 1d4 and the 70-200 f/2.8 II on the 5DII. I use a Black Rapid double strap to help.

Seems you like to get attention

Better than leaving them in the car

 

[Loswr]

Both with the 85mm f/1.2L II, framing adjusted by changing distance. Which is APS-C, which is FF?

#1

#2

 

[BaconBets]

"I see no reason Canon should produce a compromise camera. What is the point? When I want to do this, I use the 5d. When I want to do that, I use the 7d."

"Why do you do that?"

"Because one camera does this well, and one camera does that well."

"So you had to buy 2 different cameras that are the same size and use the same lenses?"

"Yes...I compromised"

-irony

When a lens costs over $7500 it is cheaper to by a ff and a crop instead of a second lens - no compromise just sound economics

When I want to do this, I use the 5d. When I want to do that, I use the 1d4. Simple logic of buying the right tool for the job. I dont consider the 1D4 as a compromise camera.

Here is another pretty picture for you on Christmas eve - or in the UK, Christmas day

Not everyone shoots eagles with hubble lenses, and you have a 1D4 already.
I don't consider the 1D4 a compromise camera either, more of a well rounded camera.
But this thread started as a scenario for someone that wants to buy a regular form factor body and doesn't own all these cameras already.

Pretend you don't own any cameras. You have about $4K for 1 body and a couple lenses. What do you do?
I was simply suggesting that after the 1dx is released, putting a 1d4 sensor in a 7d type body would give a nice well rounded option to someone who doesn't own an arsenal of cameras already, and doesn't want a large 1d built like a brick s@#thouse.

 

[briansquibb]

Both with the 85mm f/1.2L II, framing adjusted by changing distance. Which is APS-C, which is FF?

What is the rest of the exif?

Neither picture has a nice background, especially #1

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Both with the 85mm f/1.2L II, framing adjusted by changing distance. Which is APS-C, which is FF?

#1

#2

My chickens would love it, they have to forage thru the snow for bugs!

 

[Loswr]

How about a 3rd one? FF or APS-C?

#3

 

[Meh]

Both with the 85mm f/1.2L II, framing adjusted by changing distance. Which is APS-C, which is FF?

What is the rest of the exif?

Neither picture has a nice background, especially #1

Why do you ask for the rest of exif? You stated earlier that you can tell if a photo was shot with a FF or crop. I assumed you meant by looking at the photo, not by reading the exif data.

 

[Loswr]

...one more for good measure. #3 and #4 are both at f/5.6.

 

[Loswr]

Why do you ask for the rest of exif? You stated earlier that you can tell if a photo was shot with a FF or crop. I assumed you meant by looking at the photo, not by reading the exif data.

That's what I thought he stated, too....

You can tell a crop by the blotchiness of the background

Yep...by looking at the background.

 

[Loswr]

My chickens would love it, they have to forage thru the snow for bugs!

LOL. They'd need a time machine, those were taken in August. Only one snowstorm here so far - but it's 17 degrees outside now.

 

[briansquibb]

I think the difference becomes visually less apparent the wider the apperture - for example 85mm at 1.2 both will have fine 'grained' bokeh

I have found that the difference is most marked at f/2.8 and f/4.

That is my current position

I think this is worthy of a set of pictures and a separate thread.

You have seen two pictures at f/2.8 where the only difference is the body - are you seriously saying that you can't see the difference in the blur?

I suggest this thread has been sidetracked long enough .

Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

Personally I find this a great idea - perhaps with one Digic 5. I find it strange that with the P&S cameras pushing for larger sensors for improved IQ there is a marked resistance on this forum to move on to larger sensors.

 

[tron]

Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

hello,

it is a good idea with a slight change in naming. I believe that CANON needs a top APS-C body to compete with NIKON and to keep compatibility with the EF-S lenses some of which are really very good (10-22, 17-55, 15-85).

What you are practically saying is that you need a 1DmkIV on a smaller body!
I remember the film days where the EOS 1 series bodies were of reasonable size and we had the option of adding a booster or battery pack (7D has been said to have similar sealing as EOS1n I think) The prices were more reasonable too

 

[AprilForever]

Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

hello,

it is a good idea with a slight change in naming. I believe that CANON needs a top APS-C body to compete with NIKON and to keep compatibility with the EF-S lenses some of which are really very good (10-22, 17-55, 15-85).

What you are practically saying is that you need a 1DmkIV on a smaller body!
I remember the film days where the EOS 1 series bodies were of reasonable size and we had the option of adding a booster or battery pack (7D has been said to have similar sealing as EOS1n I think) The prices were more reasonable too

Indeed, Canon DOES need a high end ASP-C body... The D400 is coming out soon, and I am sure it will be a high MP DX body... The d7000 likewise is already out (more of a 60D competitor), and it raised the Nikon DX mp over 12, so I am sure that the D400 will likely raise the bar much futher.

If Canon decides to retreat on the MP, bloat the sensor size, or both of the 7D, it will hurt them badly...