If Canon made a " truly ultimate" DSLR body for, say, $10k would you buy it?

[surapon]

And by that, I mean a DSLR that is as good as good can get for 2015....
And, by "truly ultimate" I mean by whatever floats your boat that is realistic.
No, "Yes, if they added....." The definition of "ultimate" is your definition, not mine...

Well, YES and NO, Dear Friend Mr. LovePhotography.

Yes, If Canon can do " "a " truly ultimate" DSLR body for, say, $10k " in 2015, I will buy 1 in 2015, Same thing that I buy "The EOS-1Ds is a full-frame 11.1-megapixel digital SLR camera body made by Canon in the 1Ds series," in early of 2003= That was the Truly Ultimate DSLR Camera in That year = $ 8999 US Dollars ( ??---Sorry too long , I forget)., And I buy Canon 20 D for support Camera-----But After that, I do not buy any more of 1D or 1Ds ( Another Ultimate Body , New in every 2-3 years anymore. JUst buy the The High end Prosummer level.
Yes, This 2015, I will buy Canon EOS 1DX MK II ( 36-42 MP ?--ISO = 1,000.000( For X-Rated Photo in the Dark,Peeping Tom/ Surapon--Ha, Ha, Ha) for the Truly Ultimate Camera Body---Just For Very Proud of my self= To think that, My Hobby Photography level will jump from SO-SO- Level to The " PRO" Level---When Some one see that best of the best Camera in my hand with out see the Photos( Still So-SO level= Ha, Ha, Ha , Because my brain and my heart stop improve 20 years ago.).
Have a great weekend, Sir.
Surapon.

 

[danski0224]

The 1Ds was releasd in 2002.

The MSRP of $8,999.00 would be equivalent to $11,560.13 in 2013 US dollars.

Inflation calculator: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

A ~$10k USD 1DsIII replacement is quite possible.

 

[RGF]

Perfect Canon DSLR for me would be like:

- Not larger nor heavier than a 5dM3
- Minimum of 10fps, desirable 14fps
- Noise performance at least as good as the Sony A7S
- Autofocus points and speed same as the 1DX or 7Dm2.
- 4k video (at least 60fps, desirable 240fps for slow motion)
- A focus accuracy better than anything else on the market, to nail any f/1.2 shot in low light
- Touch screen with that fast focusing, same as 70D
- Weather sealing as good as the 7Dm2
- At least 36mp
- Color depth and dynamic range of the D810
- 1200 shots in a single battery life
- Built in radio transmitter for triggering flash
- Built in Wifi (not lagged as the 70D) and GPS
- Sensor shifting to get some IS on lens without stabilization
- A few extra completely customizable buttons around the body

Then it would be worth 10k.

I would add that the body needs to be upgradable and have grip that provides full function of lower half like the 1Dx.

 

[jrista]

For the recor, a 400% improvement in DR at low ISO can be had for about $3000 in the form of a D810. Also for the record, a 400% improement in DR at high ISO and a 200% improvement at low ISO can be had for about $2500 in the form of an A7s.

Not agreeing with anyone here, but you won't have both in the same body, as you know A7s has 12MPs while D810 36MPs, which is why the A7s has a better high ISO performance, however since both have the same sensor why they don't have the same low ISO performance, maybe its as Roger said in the 7DII Sensor thread, Nikon is doing something with the data to increase the DR.

I don't actually think they have the same sensor. The Exmor in the A7s apparently use the dual CDS approach, which does a preliminary analog CDS then an additional digital CDS. Based on the information I could find, that is not how the Exmors in the D800 series work...they only have Digital CDS. Additionally, I think the A7s is operating at a higher readout frequency, which is probably why it has a bit more read noise and thus the slightly lower low ISO DR. But, it was designed to be a high ISO powerhouse, and having more than two stops additional DR at ISO 51200 over the 1D X is beyond phenomenal...and it still has over 12 stops DR at ISO 100.


Anyway...I was not saying that you could pick up either body and do the same things. What I was saying is you could get the D810 if your primary need is low ISO DR and stills resolution, or you could get the A7s if your primary need was high ISO DR and/or video quality. And you could actually get MORE than a 400% improvement with either camera in terms of DR, and on the D810, you could also get a huge resolution boost as well.

 

[surapon]

The 1Ds was releasd in 2002.

The MSRP of $8,999.00 would be equivalent to $11,560.13 in 2013 US dollars.

Inflation calculator: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

A ~$10k USD 1DsIII replacement is quite possible.

Thanks you, Sir, Dear Friend Mr. danski0224
Yes, You are right on the target, 1DS = the end of 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS-1Ds

Yes, I still use this Old Baby, up to Now, Because of Great AF, And PLUS GREAT COLORS similar to Film Camera's Photos too---May be just my Imagination, Not the Real Facts----Ha, Ha, Ha.
Have a great weekend, Sir.
Surapon

 

[jrista]

So, just to make sure I understand here...suddenly a 2-stop DR improvement is now appreciated as the 400% improvement it really is (instead of so little a to be effectively meaningless for most kinds of photography), and is large enough that we cannot achieve it for a reasonable price because products are so "mature"? Hmm...curious...

That´s what puzzles me too ...

Aye...very curious, that...

 

[tpatana]

For sure. Don't even need to improve that much from 1DX and I'll drop $10k easily. 2 stops on ISO performance, 2 stops on DR, 2 stops on MP. Sold.

You think adding 2 stops here and there is worth a $3500 bump in price?

Even the first two, totally. And for MP, 1 stop would be good enough, 2 stop add on MP would be already to much in my mind.

You guys make me laugh, a one stop improvement means twice as good, two stops means four times as good, we are well into product maturity and small incremental increases in performance. What do you think could be done to give you 400% more performance in key areas with a mere 45% price increase?

And what is a stop of MP?

Like you said, it's twice for each stop. So e.g. 2 stop increase in MP from 20MP would go to 80MP.

And like others mentioned, 2 stops extra DR is not 400%. Increasing from e.g. 12DR to 14DR is not 400% more performance.

 

[jrista]

For sure. Don't even need to improve that much from 1DX and I'll drop $10k easily. 2 stops on ISO performance, 2 stops on DR, 2 stops on MP. Sold.

You think adding 2 stops here and there is worth a $3500 bump in price?

Even the first two, totally. And for MP, 1 stop would be good enough, 2 stop add on MP would be already to much in my mind.

You guys make me laugh, a one stop improvement means twice as good, two stops means four times as good, we are well into product maturity and small incremental increases in performance. What do you think could be done to give you 400% more performance in key areas with a mere 45% price increase?

And what is a stop of MP?

Like you said, it's twice for each stop. So e.g. 2 stop increase in MP from 20MP would go to 80MP.

And like others mentioned, 2 stops extra DR is not 400%. Increasing from e.g. 12DR to 14DR is not 400% more performance.

Stops don't really apply to megapixels. At least, I've never heard them applied that way.


Stops apply to anything involving the light entering the camera. Two additional stops of dynamic range means two doublings of the range of brightness sensed by the sensor. Two additional stops of ISO means the ability to shoot in two stops darker light at the same shutter speed. Stops also was originally applied to aperture settings, as you usually "stopped down" the aperture with manual lenses before taking the shot. A full "stop" was a reduction in aperture area by a factor of two...doubling or halving the light passing through the lens.


Stops apply to light.


But for megapixels...I wouldn't apply the term stops to that. It doesn't really work there.


As for dynamic range, two stops of additional dynamic range IS a 400% increase. It's two doublings of contrast range (or tonal range). One doubling (200%), then another doubling (another 200%).

 

[tpatana]

But for megapixels...I wouldn't apply the term stops to that. It doesn't really work there.

Relax I know it's not official, but it's handy.

Stops is perfect word in camera world to describe any units, e.g. if I take 2 stops more picture tomorrow, that'll mean 4x.

In my day job I talk in dBs and dBms all the time, and I usually mix those to anything else too. E.g. if I want a raise, I tell my boss I'm happy for only 3dB raise. Or some night I should have drunk -3dB less beer.

I know they don't make sense if you take them literally, but they work perfectly in these cases and everyone knows what they really mean.

 

[dash2k8]

Even the first two, totally. And for MP, 1 stop would be good enough, 2 stop add on MP would be already to much in my mind.

Interesting perspective. I think if we waited a few more years, the 2 extra stops would become de facto. As of this moment, for me, maybe 2 extra stops is worth $3000, but I won't buy it. I'd wait for things to catch up in a few years and get it "for free." Our current cameras can already do things that were once unimaginable just a few years ago, so the future looks good IMO.

 

[AshtonNekolah]

I say yes only because after this buy i will never need another DSL never ever again. since it will surpass the levels of the hubble, 10k is chick feed compare to the real cameras that people dont even know exist that cost millions and even billions of dollars more, take all that and jam pack it in a 10k camera and there you have it.

 

[StudentOfLight]

If I had the finances for that kind of purchase then yes, otherwise I'd just look to get it second-hand for cheap...

 

[Mharwood16]

Nope!
If I had 10K to drop on camera gear (I can dream), than I'd much rather have a great white. At least i know that it wouldn't be replaced in a handful of years like the camera would.
Mharwood16

 

[e17paul]

I will wait until the technology trickles down to a more reasonable price. For me the 5D III is over priced. It looked like the price was going to get to a more reasonable then ML came out with the RAW video and the price skyrocket back up to list.

No I will buy a used 5D III or more likely a 6D II or III with most of the features of the 5D III.

I'm just waiting for the cheap lightweight plastic bodied full frame Rebel FF, which could logically happen after the 6D II takes the technology trickle down from the 5D3, in the wake of whatever the 5D4 brings.