What do you mean?Looks like they have finally caught up with lossless compressed
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What do you mean?Looks like they have finally caught up with lossless compressed
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Well actually it does not need "very fine engineering"Impressive on paper anyway. It’s putting it up to Canon. It puts the R1 under pressure and makes the 1DXIII almost old fashioned. You’d need a lot of storage space. 1TB laptops will fill quite quickly. It’s so fast you wonder will it be robust . It must have some very fine engineering inside with tight tolerances . You could burn through 100,000 shutter cycles in no time. I look forward to the reviews especially its focus tracking abilities.
Sony Trumps Canon once more (ah! Should I have said that word, Trump! Lol) Sony first to announce the mirrorless 1! I watched the launch via CR live and certainly an impressive bit of kit.
Come on Canon! The bar is set to follow or surpass for the up-and-coming R1
My safe bet after seeing this is that Canon pulls off a 24-30 megapixel global shutter that can do up to 60 FPS full resolution uncompressed. The 1-series has never been about high resolution, and Canon knows their market. The megapixel war never won over that market segment, and it won't this time.
Canon can, however, draw tons of high end users in with industry changing features like the global shutter and far higher FPS. 60 fps with an unlimited buffer is 100% doable at this point, especially at something like 30 megapixels.
Canon users like myself already have access or own an R5 for 20 fps 45 megapixel images, so I don't feel like Canon needs the R1 to compete the A1. The A1 already exists in Canon's lineup for almost half the price!
The R1 instead should use the $6500-$7000 price range to give us global shutter, unlimited buffer, antiflicker at 60 FPS, 20 FPS mechanical, 0 delay 0 blackout huge viewfinder, full size grip, big batteries, and total weathersealing. That would sell me far faster than the A1 ever would.
You are saying that the Sony A1 has ~50MP x 4 pixel elements = 200M pixel elements? I find this *very hard* to believe. I think it will be the standard 50M pixel elements in a Bayer array which is de-bayer interpolated up to 50M rgb pixels, just like everyone else does. This isn't a Foveon sensor, which has 3 pixel elements on top of each other for a single pixel and has nothing to do with a Bayer pixel element array.---
The 30 fps Burst Rate Stills bandwidth is usually a function of the DSP (Digital Signal Processor) and ADC/DAC (Analog-to-Digital and Digital-to-Analog Converter) chip speed which indicates how many gigasamples per second it can do and at what output bit-depth is creates.
For the Sony A-1, the full-frame 8640 x 5760 pixel 3:2 image frame requires 49,766,400 pixels with FOUR SAMPLES per RGBG Pixel (i.e. 4 separate Red, Green, Blue, Green photosites) which means 199,065,600 samples per frame or 5,971,968,000 samples per second at 20 bits wide initially and then sub-sampled down to 16, 14, 12, 10 and 8 bits per output RGBG channel sample.
YOU MUST be able to process an entire set of 30 frames UNCOMPRESSED during each second so you can then make a reasonable calculation on other parts of the system to see what sort of bandwidth is required. It really isn't all that exotic based upon what I am seeing.
With an 8-channel ADC/DAC/DSP chip set, it means at least 746.5 Megasamples per Second per channel since you are doing multiple instructions per second (i.e. 2 to 4 cpu ops per clock tick) on most BIONZ chips, so MY GUESS that it's PROBABLY a 1.5 GHz processor and probably costs Sony $150 USD to produce in-house or get from GlobalFoundries (aka AMD and IBM) under OEM/ODM outsourcing agreements! Based on the microcode I see, it's at least an ARM Cortex A5 quad-core CPU system. It might even be one of the Octo-core (i.e. 8 cores) designs as it is ABLE to do 30 fps!
Sony has ALWAYS been good on ADC/DAC/DSP chip design! I remember asking TI (Texas Instruments) for an ADC/DAC/DSP chip set for our high-orbit space cameras many years ago and they wanted $25,000 USD PER SET !!! A few days later I just went to Sony and asked for the 20-BIT ADC/DAC/DSP chip set used in one of their high end pro-level audio processors. It was $400 per chip set which means it was $24,600 USD CHEAPER AND it had better performance AND was a full 20 bits wide instead of 14 bits wide which meant HIGH QUALITY signal processing! We just repurposed multiple sets of the chips for ADC/DAC/DSP of 2.6K still photos and 1080p video!
I just stuck the chip sets in a tungsten shielded box along with a higher end Sony CCD sensor and UP it went! It's still there doing its thing 15 years later! Quality is STILL great for video and 2.6K stills. Lotsa "Fast Walkers" up there! Counted over 50 different planform types in crystal clear clarity over the years!
Now You Know!
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Even the AF of the A9I is better then this one of the R5. So... the AF of the A1 will be insane I think.It is my opinion that R5 is close to A1 for about half the money!
Yep me2.... to small...like a toy and feels not so durable.does anyone else feel like the awful ergonomics of the sony makes it the whole line a non compete to canon. for someone who lives everyday with a camera in their hand id never switch from canon to sony for that exact reason no matter the specs
You are saying that the Sony A1 has ~50MP x 4 pixel elements = 200M pixel elements? I find this *very hard* to believe. I think it will be the standard 50M pixel elements in a Bayer array which is de-bayer interpolated up to 50M rgb pixels, just like everyone else does. This isn't a Foveon sensor, which has 3 pixel elements on top of each other for a single pixel and has nothing to do with a Bayer pixel element array.
The R1 instead should use the $6500-$7000 price range to give us global shutter, unlimited buffer, antiflicker at 60 FPS, 20 FPS mechanical, 0 delay 0 blackout huge viewfinder, full size grip, big batteries, and total weathersealing. That would sell me far faster than the A1 ever would.
The R1 will have (or will need to have) about 45Mp like the R5 so that it does 8K, otherwise it'll be lagging behind the R5, not to mention the A1.
Man, you really have a way to go on wild tangents. Thanks for sharing your industry insights... Or creative writing skills. That I don't know.
Anyway, to answer my own question, a quote from the official announcement :
"20 fps max. when shooting Uncompressed or Lossless compressed RAW"
So 30 FPS forces you to use their lossy compression format, which Google leads me to believe is always 12 bit.
Now I know.
To each their own. I used Sony for years without a concern about its ergonomics. I do like R5 ergos better but the A7rIII's were okay, and the rIV (like the A9II) were much improved. So, I go with you in claiming that Canon's ergos are better, but Sony's are far from awful, and I for one have had no problem working with A-series cameras all day.does anyone else feel like the awful ergonomics of the sony makes it the whole line a non compete to canon. for someone who lives everyday with a camera in their hand id never switch from canon to sony for that exact reason no matter the specs