Is a 46mp Canon EOS-1 on the Way? [CR1]

[Lee Jay]

I'm so jumping on this wagon, bulky body is the major reason i don't want a 1Dx I would love an APS-H sensor in a 5Dmk3 body too

I think most of those whining about the flex of an add-on grip are only familiar with the current ones, which indeed have some flex, but haven't tried the one I posted. It was quite solid - as solid as a current 1D body, I'd say. And it wouldn't be hard at all to make it even stiffer than it was way back then.

 

[jrista]

Well that means some complete redesigns of their L glass as there will be no benefit to having 46MP if the lenses cannot resolve enough to take advantage of it. Unfortunately that means probably a 5000.00 price tag for a revised 24-70 L lens.

Sorry, thats a load of crap. The Canon 7D 18mp APS-C sensor has a 4.3 micron pixel pitch, which is slightly smaller than a 46mp FF sensor would have. Canon lenses resolve plenty of detail for the Canon 7D, particularly the new lenses released in the last few years (which offer STELLAR IQ at WIDE apertures, pushing 200lp/mm or more.) Lenses will NOT be a problem with a 46mp FF sensor.

 

[jrista]

46MP? Almost an 8000 x 6000 Pixel size? That's crazy for 35mm.

http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=7935&height=5800

Look at the estimated sizes for the files.

That would depend on whether those pixels are better than a current Canon pixel. If Canon can improve IQ on a per-pixel basis, like the D800 with its Sony Exmor sensor has done, then no...thats not crazy for 35mm. Its the same pixel pitch as the Canon 7D...so its not exactly that much new ground for Canon. Hell, they already produced a prototype 120mp APS-H sensor with a reasonable readout rate, so I really don't think 46mp is crazy or even unreasonable in 35mm format.

 

[jrista]

Is this a new sensor, or just a higher MP variant of their existing technology? Personally I'd like to see Canon put their R/D into DR and not MP.

So would I. The irony of my postings is that I'm not particularly interested in 46MP. I have a 5D3 (and a 7D) which is giving me excellent images. I'm set for a couple years.

Its been demonstrated that you can have both MP and IQ...with the D800 and D3200. Why should we ask for less from Canon? They have a ton of patents up their sleeve, including a layered (foveon-esque) sensor design. I think Canon can do more than one thing or the other...they should start competing, on all fronts, and give their customers quality at every level.

 

[jrista]

I do not believe it is doable, not at the D800 price point, and not without a new sensor. And Canon is not losing sleep over losing customers to Nikon over the D800.

I think its highly speculative to think Canon is losing enough customers to matter to the D800. Keep in mind, despite its great sensor, the D800 (and D4, for that matter) have had quite a few problems of their own, from a very yellow-green LCD, to RAW images that mirrored that yellow-green hue, CF card compatibility problems, tethered shooting issues, a couple AF issues (that has caused many a D800 owner quite a lot of problems requiring multiple returns to Nikon support), and on top of all of that, Nikon throughout it all has often denied, even in the face of mass evidence by the online community, that the problems were even real...and demonstrated they have vastly inferior support to Canon, making their customers jump through a myriad of hoops and hoopla just to get some necessary service.

Sorry...I don't think Canon has anything to lose sleep over. The only edge the D800 has is ISO 100/200 DR and some extra megapixels, and it seems the extra megapixels deal won't be much of an edge for long. DR is important, but I would take Canon's "crappy" sensor tech and their stellar customer support over Nikon any day.

 

[Meh]

In my opinion, if Canon does not launch an cheaper model around 2500-3000€ with 35+MP, they will loose a lot of photographers.

Are they 'losing a lot of photographers' to the D800 now? :

Yes

P
Can you please post a link to the sales figures/reports/ranking that back up that claim?

Why? You post sales figures that they're not. That is the clear implication of your question.

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Unless you're just talking out of your rear lens cap, which I suspect is the case.

I second that!

 

[Meh]

@jrista very well said as always.

There is no utopia in any one set of design parameters.

 

[RGomezPhotos]

I hope this is a medium-format camera. It's really the next step in technology with Full-Frame cameras becoming much more affordable and common.

 

[paulrossjones]

In my opinion, if Canon does not launch an cheaper model around 2500-3000€ with 35+MP, they will loose a lot of photographers.

Are they 'losing a lot of photographers' to the D800 now? :

Yes

P
Can you please post a link to the sales figures/reports/ranking that back up that claim?

Why? You post sales figures that they're not. That is the clear implication of your question.

Sorry, but my sentence ended in a question mark. Yours did not. Which one is a statement?

My point is that claims of 'outselling' or 'users switching in droves' are bogus - regardless of which way people claim the advantage - AFAIK, there are no data to support either claim. Thus the :

I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth, though...

i did a quick telly up of all the professional advertising photographers i know (im friends with quite a few), and i would say half have changed to or about change to nikon.

i would too, but im not a fan of nikon lenses, and am waiting eagerly for a better sensored higher res camera than my very disappointing 5dmk3.

paul

 

[jrista]

@jrista very well said as always.

Thanks.

There is no utopia in any one set of design parameters.

Bliss will only come with the last camera ever to be made!

 

[RomanRacela]

If it's in the 1-series, it will probably be twice the price of the D800, right? That's not really a direct competitor. I wonder when/if they'll release a comperable camera. A 5D3 with 46mp.

+1
6000€+ for this Camera, when you can get an D800 for 2600€???
In my opinion, if Canon does not launch an cheaper model around 2500-3000€ with 35+MP, they will loose a lot of photographers.

My friend just bought a Nikon D800 to replace his 5D Mk2. I'm thinking of doing the switch too. I wish the 5D Mk3 had at least 35MP.

 

[Loswr]

There is no utopia in any one set of design parameters.

Bliss will only come with the last camera ever to be made!

Naaah. Even then, people will complain.

 

[meli]

I think its highly speculative to think Canon is losing enough customers to matter to the D800. Keep in mind, despite its great sensor, the D800 (and D4, for that matter) have had quite a few problems of their own, from a very yellow-green LCD, to RAW images that mirrored that yellow-green hue, CF card compatibility problems, tethered shooting issues, a couple AF issues (that has caused many a D800 owner quite a lot of problems requiring multiple returns to Nikon support), and on top of all of that, Nikon throughout it all has often denied, even in the face of mass evidence by the online community, that the problems were even real...and demonstrated they have vastly inferior support to Canon, making their customers jump through a myriad of hoops and hoopla just to get some necessary service.

Sorry...I don't think Canon has anything to lose sleep over. The only edge the D800 has is ISO 100/200 DR and some extra megapixels, and it seems the extra megapixels deal won't be much of an edge for long. DR is important, but I would take Canon's "crappy" sensor tech and their stellar customer support over Nikon any day.

out of the 4 people i know that shopped D800s, 2 were Canonnites since the film days; one of' em started selling gear, the other, yours truly, is comfortable staying in both camps ;D
We're not talking about rebels here, in this price bracket each lost client means 5k euros

as for this:

...Nikon throughout it all has often denied, even in the face of mass evidence by the online community, that the problems were even real...and demonstrated they have vastly inferior support to Canon, making their customers jump through a myriad of hoops and hoopla just to get some necessary service...

set back the clock to 2007, swap brands and its just starts smelling like 1d3 autofocus & Canon's "superior support"

 

[Sith Zombie]

Don't get too excited everyone! I heard a rumor that the sensor in the camera will be 2 of the 18mp sensors just stuck together with a bit of black tape

 

[Lawliet]

i did a quick telly up of all the professional advertising photographers i know (im friends with quite a few), and i would say half have changed to or about change to nikon.

Why to Nikon instead of just going MF...
My clients don't care about C or N - either 35mm does the job or a serious step forward is called for.

 

[jrista]

There is no utopia in any one set of design parameters.

Bliss will only come with the last camera ever to be made!

Naaah. Even then, people will complain.

Hah! Yeah, your probably right.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

....In development announcements seem to be getting more popular with Canon and their high end products. ....

Do you think that this trend to 'in development' announcements is restricted to relatively new products? Ones that won't necessarily affect sales of existing Canon products?

Development of the new super teles was combined with stopping production of the existing ones such that they were not generally available for well over a year. That certainly hit Canon sales as well as their bottom line. Same with the announcement of the 24-70mm MK II.

 

[Meh]

Don't get too excited everyone! I heard a rumor that the sensor in the camera will be 2 of the 18mp sensors just stuck together with a bit of black tape

See now that's a funny comment... love it!

 

[Meh]

i did a quick telly up of all the professional advertising photographers i know (im friends with quite a few), and i would say half have changed to or about change to nikon.

i would too, but im not a fan of nikon lenses, and am waiting eagerly for a better sensored higher res camera than my very disappointing 5dmk3.

paul

Everyone is always "about to change"... what percentage actually did change? Not just giving you a hard time... it's a good point. Advertising photographers really do have value in the higher resolution and there's a few on this forum that are also "about to change to MF if Canon doesn't put out a higher res body soon". Their reason being that price has come down on MF digital backs to make the leap but they will stay with Canon for cost, ergonomics, lenses, etc. IF a higher res body comes out.

 

[bdunbar79]

I hope this is a medium-format camera. It's really the next step in technology with Full-Frame cameras becoming much more affordable and common.

Although I'd like to see that as well, I'm 99.9% sure it won't be a medium-format camera. Not nearly enough market demand.