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Is There a Definitive 85 to Get?

Sporgon said:
Historically I think the 100/2 came first as a seriously good, fast short telephoto for the newly introduced EOS system, running rings round Nikon at the time. The 85/1.8 came a few years later.

The 100/2 was released in October 1991, the 85/1.8 in July 1992. They were probably developed concurrently.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Sporgon said:
Historically I think the 100/2 came first as a seriously good, fast short telephoto for the newly introduced EOS system, running rings round Nikon at the time. The 85/1.8 came a few years later.

The 100/2 was released in October 1991, the 85/1.8 in July 1992. They were probably developed concurrently.

I’ve always thought it strange that Canon introduced two such similar lenses, with such different optical formulas. If I could only have one it would be the 100/2.
 
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Sporgon said:
neuroanatomist said:
Sporgon said:
Historically I think the 100/2 came first as a seriously good, fast short telephoto for the newly introduced EOS system, running rings round Nikon at the time. The 85/1.8 came a few years later.

The 100/2 was released in October 1991, the 85/1.8 in July 1992. They were probably developed concurrently.

I’ve always thought it strange that Canon introduced two such similar lenses, with such different optical formulas. If I could only have one it would be the 100/2.

And I've always thought the price difference between the 100 and the 85 to be strange. The list price of the 100 is $500, while the list for the 85 is $420. Currently, Canon is selling the 100 for $500 and the 85 for $350. While some prefer the 100mm, I have never seen anything that justifies that kind of price premium.
 
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Sporgon said:
slclick said:
definitive 85...the 135L and a few steps backwards.

I disagree as I think for most people's general usage the 85mm focal length is far more versatile and easier to use.

Was this a query about what is best for most people? I find most people disagree with my photography choices in general (love the 40 FL, hate 50mm, rather use primes over a 70-200 etc etc) and thats the sort of thing that keeps us all from homogenizing to death. YMMV and I hope it does.
 
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slclick said:
Sporgon said:
slclick said:
definitive 85...the 135L and a few steps backwards.

I disagree as I think for most people's general usage the 85mm focal length is far more versatile and easier to use.

Was this a query about what is best for most people? I find most people disagree with my photography choices in general (love the 40 FL, hate 50mm, rather use primes over a 70-200 etc etc) and thats the sort of thing that keeps us all from homogenizing to death. YMMV and I hope it does.

No because it sounds like we are the same ! ;D
 
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Cory said:
Good points. Decided to keep the 135 as my 85 and add the 100-400 II and 50 1.2.
Granted, the 50 is the 135 with even more steps back, but it seems a nice complement to the UWA just in case there's a wall.
Thanks again. Much appreciated.


Be careful with the 50f1.2. I tested that lens a couple of times on my camera - and i was never satisfied... I do love my Milvus 50 f1.4 which is awesome and I do expect the 50 f1.4 L from Canon being similarly amazing to the new 85mm f1.4 as well as the 35mm f1.4
 
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neuroanatomist said:
YuengLinger said:
danieltoader said:
85 f1.2 L II is the one to get if you want something different, unique ... a lens with character.

Have yo tried the 1.4L?

I find that the 1.4L has character...and IS...and fast AF. :)

Me too! Finally catching kids when they aren't sleeping.
 
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YuengLinger said:
neuroanatomist said:
YuengLinger said:
danieltoader said:
85 f1.2 L II is the one to get if you want something different, unique ... a lens with character.

Have yo tried the 1.4L?

I find that the 1.4L has character...and IS...and fast AF. :)

Me too! Finally catching kids when they aren't sleeping.
Can you think of a good reason why anyone who already owns the F1.2L ii would want to buy the F1.4L in addition? The pictures produced by the F1.2L ii have a unique look and of course there are the F1.2 bragging rights, but the F1.4L has weather sealing, faster auto focus and image stabilisation. Although the F1.2L is slow, unwieldy and difficult to use I love the pictures it produces and I would be unwilling to compromise on picture quality just so I could have faster autofocus and image stabilisation.
 
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As some of you might remember, I love my 85LII. However, GAS took the better of me, and I added the 85L f1.4 IS to my kit about 7 weeks ago. The new lens is really, really good. The AF is much faster than the 85LII and very precise, better than my 35LII. The IS makes a significant difference. It is also sharper wide open, and light transmission seems very good. Vignetting is comparably good as well. Minimum focusing distance is also significantly closer than the 85LII. All summarized, the 85L f1.4 is better than the 85LII at “all” factors that can be measured in an objective way.

All this said, I still think the pictures I get from the 85LII is more desirable, in terms of background separation and that 3D-effect that makes subjects appear more life like. The 85L f1.4 takes very nice pictures, but they don’t have the same degree of wow factor that makes me fall in love with many of the 85LII pictures. My wife seems to agree. I should add that my primary use for the 85LII is portraits, and usually within the range of minimum focusing distance and up to two meters. My favorite aperture with this lens is f2.

Please note that I haven’t done any scientific comparison yet, and I am aware that my opionion is subjective.

Anyway, I do belive that I will keep both lenses.
 
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Cory said:
Would the Milvus possibly make sense (portraits, stage, etc.)?

:-*
Definetely. Owning both the Milvus is a keeper. Wherever a quick reaction is not needed but manual focusing - like in studio environments I will definitely use the Milvus - not the Canon. The Milvus Lenses are high precision tools. I dod had my special experience shooting with the 35mm f1.4... That was amazing.....
 
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