Kenrockwell comments on Canon 6d

[J.R.]

KR is well ... KR! I've enjoyed his posts over the years with the most thrilling being on the lines of "digital killed the tripod". He comes up with some commonsense patched up with a lot of mindless drivel and sample pics of cardboard boxes so you know what you are in for when you visit his site.

I did not read his 6D review as I got most of the information I needed from Marsu42's excellent post the other day. Will be buying it as a second body once I sell the 7D.

BTW, ever since I've been shooting, I've learnt not to judge anyone by their gear! This is one basic rule that I feel needs to be followed ... criticizing photos, compositions other technical aspects is OK but not definitely not gear. If you do that you'll be surprised by too many people too much of the time.

 

[Magnardo]

If you go and do accomplished work with a rebel and g15,.....is the same with showing at work as a realtor in cheap suit and tennis shoes and pretending you are successful.
Danika Patrick in Cavalier,....Go race,....The car does not matter,...it's the driver.

"Cameras do not matter"is stupid,.....Lenses do not matter,.... is even worse.

Yes,.... a moron with a good camera can be outdone by a pro with an I phone but I do not see any of these IPhone praising super pros like Annie Leibovitz showing up on a job with an I phone because,..... CAMERA MATTERS.

If you do not have 1000$ to spend on a good camera but you have 500$ to spend on a G15,.....you are indeed accomplished in,... not being very bright.

OK, in that case, show us some of your photos and let everyone decide who is "very bright" or a "moron".

Yes Magnardo, you have built up all these expectations now7

Especially with the comment:
'After you described your best picture,.....I rest my case.'

We really really want to see some of your great art.

Looks like Magnardo took his Magnificent tail between his you know where where and ran for cover. I noticed that whenever people talk 5hit about other photographers or equipment, just ask them to post their photos and they tend to run like cowards. I notice that accomplished photographers usually never talk 5hit about other photographers or equipment ... they may criticize their work but it is usually positive criticism about how the photographer or the equipment can improve, but they definitely do not indulge in the kind of stuff our great Magnardo has been indulging in or some others who call Ken Rockwell or anyone else a "clown" or any other such names.

You are also deeply confused buddy,.....Never called anyone a "Clown" in any of my messages.
.....Unless you want to be one.
I do not need you to judge me,....I am content with who I am.
Honestly,....why would I want to be judged by you?!
What would your acceptance do for me?
Are you someone important,...whose opinion I value?
I am sure you know the answer.

You know what?

Just clap your hands and praise Rockwell and anyone the praises him,.... it is all it is required of you.
That's what you seem to be good at.

So what you are saying is that you've got no photo worth showing other than bad mouth people. Also, learn to read properly, I never said you called anyone a clown ... read again and see what I said.

Nice edit.
It is more proper now,.... not accusing people,.... of saying things they never said.

I was actually thinking to propose a contest with you Rockwell lovers to where you each post a picture and then,... I post one of mine trying to beat you.
......But I soon realized that I do not care about your opinions about of my work,...at all.
And the fact that you keep pushing this makes me extremely content with not obliging you.

See I have seen this falsely entitled behavior,.... for a while,... and did not fully understand it until recently.
I was at Carnegie hall with my pregnant wife for her birthday,...and this woman shows up and tells us that she wants to change seats with us because she cannot see her daughter on one of the balconies,...as a result as her husband buying opposite side similar tickets,....(she was in a school project part of some chorus.)
This required me and my wife to walk and cross the entire floor to the other side,....5 min before the concert was about to start. The impulse was to say "YEs ! No problem. " .....but i did not rush into it, while debating.
The woman kept pushing it forcefully ,...."Common! This will be your good deed for the day!" etc.
That was slowly moving me towards declining her offer as I do not like people that think they are entitled in requesting others to do do stuff for them.

Then she became mean,..."You are going to have a child,....I hope this happens to you! etc"

Well,...I said,....Sorry!No,....She left without asking anyone else to change seats.
Never came back in the vicinity even though I had 5 empty seats to my left.

Thought process?

1.She was stupid to buy the wrong tickets,...if she cared enough she could have bought them dead center when the concert was first announced.
2.Had an error in judgement as she should have sat down quietly next to me with nobody bothering her.
3.Had an error in strategy as she should have approached people behind me,... since our tickets were on the same row,...she would have had the bargaining tool that tickets offered in exchange are closer to the stage.
Actually her tickets were worse then mine as I would have had to look to my left at the stage,... and that is ultimately an uncomfortable vantage point according to reading habits.
4.Had an error in style of approach as she was too pushy and borderline impolite.
5. In the end she did not care at all,.... as she gave up too soon,... without other attempts to fulfill her goal, which would have been very easy to do, as other people came form the balconies and filled unoccupied better seats.

The funny thing?
She probably left feeling like a great mother which tried to do something great for her daughter and thought I was a mean and uncaring person for refusing her.

The partial truth?
A woman trying to see her daughter needs to be helped unconditionally,... as it is sweet and the proper thing to do.

My truth?
She was a self centered bitch that thinks everyone owes her something.

Assumptions?
She probably does not take good care of her daughter as everything is about her greatness as a mother and that can be blinding.


Conclusion?
Do not oblige people just because they feel entitled and act like they need you to do something for them.
Most times you will probably regret it.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Conclusion?
Do not oblige people just because they feel entitled and act like they need you to do something for them.
Most times you will probably regret it.

If that is so, why do you keep posting these lengthy replies? sounds like you are desperate to prove yourself right, while you have nothing concrete to prove your point.

 

[Magnardo]

KR is well ... KR! I've enjoyed his posts over the years with the most thrilling being on the lines of "digital killed the tripod". He comes up with some commonsense patched up with a lot of mindless drivel and sample pics of cardboard boxes so you know what you are in for when you visit his site.

I did not read his 6D review as I got most of the information I needed from Marsu42's excellent post the other day. Will be buying it as a second body once I sell the 7D.

BTW, ever since I've been shooting, I've learnt not to judge anyone by their gear! This is one basic rule that I feel needs to be followed ... criticizing photos, compositions other technical aspects is OK but not definitely not gear. If you do that you'll be surprised by too many people too much of the time.

I never judged anyone on their gear,....my point is simply,....if you love photography,...or it provides some of your income,....you will save money and buy a decent camera and decent lenses because they matter.

I never suggested to buy the 85 1.2 instead of 100 f2, if money is tight,...but buy something decent.
Buy only quality while trying to get the best deal possible.
My wife said to me one day,....I am too poor to be cheap.
I loved it,... because it is true.

I know,...it is fashionable and populist to embrace the misconception launched by some bored pros that camera and lenses do not matter while they all use the best there is all the time.

And,...of course you can make good pictures with lesser equipment,....
Nobody said sell the d700 to buy the d800e,....or something similar,..and that will make you better.
Generally with better cameras and lenses you get better results.

I was in New York,....and at night the 24-105 was worthless,...annoying,... or hard to use at decent iso,...wished I had any of the 24-70s 2.8.

 

[Magnardo]

Conclusion?
Do not oblige people just because they feel entitled and act like they need you to do something for them.
Most times you will probably regret it.

If that is so, why do you keep posting these lengthy replies? sounds like you are desperate to prove yourself right, while you have nothing concrete to prove your point.

See this last post of yours was a waste of everyone's time.
Said nothing.
Meant nothing,...
Did nothing.
Proved nothing.

My pictures do not matter.
Please,....Carry on with your thoughts,.... assuming they are really bad pictures,...much worse the Rockwell's,.....pictures of someone desperate that writes lengthy responses,....pictures of someone afraid to show them because he might suspect their lack of quality.
I prefer that,....
Once you reach your orgasmic happy place you will realize that it all means nothing as we both do not truly care about each other.

Lengthy?!
Actually,....I was just practicing my English,....to make you guys happy with my levels.

Again,....clap your hands.

A nice start?
Stop writing if you have nothing to say or think really hard ,....maybe you come up with something,...eventually.
Good luck!

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Conclusion?
Do not oblige people just because they feel entitled and act like they need you to do something for them.
Most times you will probably regret it.

If that is so, why do you keep posting these lengthy replies? sounds like you are desperate to prove yourself right, while you have nothing concrete to prove your point.

See this last post of yours was a waste of everyone's time.
Said nothing.
Meant nothing,...
Did nothing.
Proved nothing.

My pictures do not matter.
Please,....Carry on with your thoughts,.... assuming they are really bad pictures,...much worse the Rockwell's,.....pictures of someone desperate that writes lengthy responses,....picture of someone afraid to show them because he might suspect their lack of quality.
I prefer that,....
Once you reach your orgasmic happy place you will realize that it all means nothing as we both do not truly care about each other.

Lengthy?!
Actually,....I was just practicing my English,....to make you guys happy with my levels.

Again,....clap your hands.

A nice start?
Stop writing if you have nothing to say or think really hard ,....maybe you come up with something,...eventually.
Good luck!

More rants no substance ... don't be scared of posting a photo made by you, we won't make fun of you.

 

[Vivid Color]

Has anyone else noticed that Magnardo's avatar is a photo of a pretty famous painting, Jack Vettriano's, The Singing Butler, 1992? A curious selection of an avatar for a photography forum, unless Magnardo is Jack Vettriano. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Butler

 

[Magnardo]

Has anyone else noticed that Magnardo's avatar is a photo of a pretty famous painting, Jack Vettriano's, The Singing Butler, 1992? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Butler. A curious selection of an avatar for a photography forum, unless Magnardo is Jack Vettriano.

Smart!
Very smart!

So you are saying that my plan was such that,.... I posted this picture with the intent that those not educated enough to know about this painting,... might be duped into thinking I drew it myself.

It makes sense.

For you.

Why don't you guys have a party and invite each-other so you can clap hands and point fingers in unison hoping that those things that elude you,...like common sense,.... will fall from the sky.

 

[J.R.]

I never judged anyone on their gear,....my point is simply,....if you love photography,...or it provides some of your income,....you will save money and buy a decent camera and decent lenses because they matter.

I never suggested to buy the 85 1.2 instead of 100 f2, if money is tight,...but buy something decent.
Buy only quality while trying to get the best deal possible.
My wife said to me one day,....I am too poor to be cheap.
I loved it,... because it is true.

I know,...it is fashionable and populist to embrace the misconception launched by some bored pros that camera and lenses do not matter while they all use the best there is all the time.

If that is how you think I would suggest you stop adding more zeros to situation. I guess you got off on the wrong foot and are now trying to defend an untenable position because you feel you've been wronged in some way. My first impression to your post was "what a snob" which in all probability may be entirely wrong. Cheers!

BTW coming to your comment regarding the Pros, I've seen situations where Pros have exchanged their pro equipment with amateurs (just to prove the point that technique and skills are most important) and have easily outshot them with old and not so pro gear.

The problem is that too many people don't work on developing their skills and seem to think that gear is everything and pro gear will get them pro photos. Gear does help, but if you are handicapped in skill, there is only so far you can go ... And hence the alleged "misconception".

Peace ... J.R.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Has anyone else noticed that Magnardo's avatar is a photo of a pretty famous painting, Jack Vettriano's, The Singing Butler, 1992? A curious selection of an avatar for a photography forum, unless Magnardo is Jack Vettriano. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Butler

That explains a lot ;D

 

[verysimplejason]

KR is well ... KR! I've enjoyed his posts over the years with the most thrilling being on the lines of "digital killed the tripod". He comes up with some commonsense patched up with a lot of mindless drivel and sample pics of cardboard boxes so you know what you are in for when you visit his site.

I did not read his 6D review as I got most of the information I needed from Marsu42's excellent post the other day. Will be buying it as a second body once I sell the 7D.

BTW, ever since I've been shooting, I've learnt not to judge anyone by their gear! This is one basic rule that I feel needs to be followed ... criticizing photos, compositions other technical aspects is OK but not definitely not gear. If you do that you'll be surprised by too many people too much of the time.

I never judged anyone on their gear,....my point is simply,....if you love photography,...or it provides some of your income,....you will save money and buy a decent camera and decent lenses because they matter.

I never suggested to buy the 85 1.2 instead of 100 f2, if money is tight,...but buy something decent.
Buy only quality while trying to get the best deal possible.
My wife said to me one day,....I am too poor to be cheap.
I loved it,... because it is true.

I know,...it is fashionable and populist to embrace the misconception launched by some bored pros that camera and lenses do not matter while they all use the best there is all the time.

6D isn't that cheap and it's decent. 5D3 or 1DX is better but it doesn't mean that 6D isn't decent. If professionals can produce good pictures with a 10D, 20D, 5D, 5D2, (even point and shoots) etc... there is no reason you can't treat 6D as a decent tool. In my own link, you can see some of the pictures that I had uploaded and those were taken by my "not-so-decent" 500D and my mostly misunderstood 28mm F1.8 USM and the "cheap" 50mm F1.8 II. I'm also using the "cheaper" 100mm macro USM. And no, it doesn't mean that we don't really know that professionals use the best available gear to them but back then, they use whatever tool is available for them. E.g., professionals have been able to get good pictures with the very old 20mm F2.8. I wonder if an amateur even when using a 16-35 II can get as good pictures as those professionals using 20mm. It just shows that the head behind the camera is more important than the tools that's being used. If you analyze some of Ken's opinion, I think that's what he's saying all along especially to gearheads and measurebators. It's not that he doesn't love good gears. It's just he knows what's more important. Sure, you can criticize his pictures but you can't say he's wrong when he says that there are more important things than your tools.

 

[PhyloGuy]

This thread seems to be getting out of hand. Do we have moderators who could put an end to this torture? Can't we block trolls?

One of the things I like about this site is the sense of community. I enjoy reading threads and learning about people's opinions about camera bodies, lenses, techniques, etc. Threads like this one are simply depressing.

 

[Magnardo]

I never judged anyone on their gear,....my point is simply,....if you love photography,...or it provides some of your income,....you will save money and buy a decent camera and decent lenses because they matter.

I never suggested to buy the 85 1.2 instead of 100 f2, if money is tight,...but buy something decent.
Buy only quality while trying to get the best deal possible.
My wife said to me one day,....I am too poor to be cheap.
I loved it,... because it is true.

I know,...it is fashionable and populist to embrace the misconception launched by some bored pros that camera and lenses do not matter while they all use the best there is all the time.

If that is how you think I would suggest you stop adding more zeros to situation. I guess you got off on the wrong foot and are now trying to defend an untenable position because you feel you've been wronged in some way. My first impression to your post was "what a snob" which in all probability may be entirely wrong. Cheers!

BTW coming to your comment regarding the Pros, I've seen situations where Pros have exchanged their pro equipment with amateurs (just to prove the point that technique and skills are most important) and have easily outshot them with old and not so pro gear.

The problem is that too many people don't work on developing their skills and seem to think that gear is everything and pro gear will get them pro photos. Gear does help, but if you are handicapped in skill, there is only so far you can go ... And hence the alleged "misconception".

Peace ... J.R.

Thank you.
First smart response.

It makes sense that you think about stuff,...and have a different vantage point,... other then looking down, from above ,...on the rest of the world that has not yet climbed the mountain of ignorance.
Not surprisingly,....English is your second language.

Anyways,...as soon as pros get done with using other people's gear to prove a very valid point,... that gear means nothing if you do not know how to use it,....you know what they will do next?!

Ask for their equipment back and ,...soon after,... will continue to use it,...because,...because,.....

It kinda matters.

 

[J.R.]

Vicious Circle ... I give up ...

 

[Magnardo]

Vicious Circle ... I give up ...

You are right again.
I will follow your lead.

 

[Magnardo]

KR is well ... KR! I've enjoyed his posts over the years with the most thrilling being on the lines of "digital killed the tripod". He comes up with some commonsense patched up with a lot of mindless drivel and sample pics of cardboard boxes so you know what you are in for when you visit his site.

I did not read his 6D review as I got most of the information I needed from Marsu42's excellent post the other day. Will be buying it as a second body once I sell the 7D.

BTW, ever since I've been shooting, I've learnt not to judge anyone by their gear! This is one basic rule that I feel needs to be followed ... criticizing photos, compositions other technical aspects is OK but not definitely not gear. If you do that you'll be surprised by too many people too much of the time.

I never judged anyone on their gear,....my point is simply,....if you love photography,...or it provides some of your income,....you will save money and buy a decent camera and decent lenses because they matter.

I never suggested to buy the 85 1.2 instead of 100 f2, if money is tight,...but buy something decent.
Buy only quality while trying to get the best deal possible.
My wife said to me one day,....I am too poor to be cheap.
I loved it,... because it is true.

I know,...it is fashionable and populist to embrace the misconception launched by some bored pros that camera and lenses do not matter while they all use the best there is all the time.

6D isn't that cheap and it's decent. 5D3 or 1DX is better but it doesn't mean that 6D isn't decent. If professionals can produce good pictures with a 10D, 20D, 5D, 5D2, (even point and shoots) etc... there is no reason you can't treat 6D as a decent tool. In my own link, you can see some of the pictures that I had uploaded and those were taken by my "not-so-decent" 500D and my mostly misunderstood 28mm F1.8 USM and the "cheap" 50mm F1.8 II. I'm also using the "cheaper" 100mm macro USM. And no, it doesn't mean that we don't really know that professionals use the best available gear to them but back then, they use whatever tool is available for them. E.g., professionals have been able to get good pictures with the very old 20mm F2.8. I wonder if an amateur even when using a 16-35 II can get as good pictures as those professionals using 20mm. It just shows that the head behind the camera is more important than the tools that's being used. If you analyze some of Ken's opinion, I think that's what he's saying all along especially to gearheads and measurebators. It's not that he doesn't love good gears. It's just he knows what's more important. Sure, you can criticize his pictures but you can't say he's wrong when he says that there are more important things than your tools.

Correct,....and he proves his point to perfection.
Has all this equipment,... and has 2 or three good pictures,....rest of them crap.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Has all this equipment,... and has 2 or three good pictures,....rest of them crap.

At least KR has good pictures to show to the world, unlike some who are running scared from posting even one good photo but are ever ready to post lengthy rants and bad mouth another photographer.

 

[sanj]

Ken Rockwell always exaggerates one way or the other.
His advice and reviews are unreliable and he often contradicts himself.

He knows near nothing about Canon lenses,.....and often reviews lenses based on reading specs alone.
Read his review of 85 1.2,...one of the best lenses ever made by anyone. It is funny in its ignorance.
The review of 100 2.8 is Macro is just as clueless.
He just recently reviewed the 35 1.4,...... which is and has been and should have been a must,.... for any wanna be reviewer of photographic equipment.
For Canon reviews I trust The Digital Picture with no problem, any day, ahead of Rockwell.

For example to say repeatedly that the best thing is to buy a camera when they are first announced,.... is nothing else but stupid advice.
Whenever I did that, I had nothing but problems with the camera,.....and then the price drops in a few months by 30% and that makes you fell like a loser.
He keeps crying that he does not get paid by camera manufacturers but it makes you wonder when he gives advice like that,.... that plays into selling tactics.
I never met a crooked person that ever claimed they were crooked,.....just the opposite,....they were always screaming loud and clear they were innocent and honest. Not saying this is necessarily the case with him but it would not be surprising in an age where everyone gets their own,.... that Rockwell's integrity is not what he advertises.
For a guy begging for donations,...He seems to have a Mercedes and a Porsche Cayenne ,....and recently he just bought (according to him),... D800e, D600, Canon 5DMArk III, Canon 6D, Canon 35 1.4...Why would anyone want to own all these at the same time?!
His claim that he always goes the cheapest rout is hilarious.

Lastly,... his abundant pictures of his family are awful, weak pictures, that display no creativity whatsoever,...plain and filled with expected angles of view, where everything looks flat and uninteresting.

He must be a guru for people that need a guru,.... because they cannot think for themselves,.... and need someone to tell them this and that,.... and don't mind being abused or like to be called idiots.
No wonder people with rebels and g15s love him.

His website has some interesting advice but it is not ,by any means,.....the ultimate authority ,.... when I want objectivity and unbiased advice.

Most of what you say is crap to me.
1. You have no way of knowing how he reviews his lenses.
2. You clearly missed his point of buying camera when they are announced. Read carefully: He says if you want to own a camera, if you want a camera as soon as it comes out, it is best to pre-order it so you can have it early. Something wrong with that??
3. You have no right to judge anyone's integrity without proof. Damn!
4. Seems to have expensive car and gear...??? He clearly states he buys used cars. He DOES educate and help lot of general camera users and DESERVES to earn his money. He says 'If you feel that you have been helped, contribute $5.' To me that is fine...
5. He reviews gear. If he can buy it what is your problemmmm???? He may be reselling etc. But what he buys is non of your business...
6. You have a problem with Guru? Then do not go to any expert's website including this. Resolve all your questions yourself..
7. He is for the general public out there who need his help. Am assuming you are a pro. He is not for you.
8. I agree about your thought on his family photos. However, the people who read him want to perhaps take regular family/vacation photos... He is advising them...
9. Ultimate authority?? Did he claim he is? He is giving his opinion.
Sorry about the rant. Apologies.

 

[sanj]

No wonder people with rebels and g15s love him.

What does that even mean? Plenty of fools with the semi-pro cameras like the 5D3.
More cash and even a better camera doesn't make you a better photographer, or even less gullible or easily influenced.

Lots of folk doing very accomplished work on the cheaper cameras.

I don't rate Ken's reviews at all, and the points you make are mostly fair, but to sleight folk because they aren't part of the 5D3 club reveals it's own, worse kind of ignorance.

Well said as usual from you Paul.

We have lots of cameras in the house, my daughters are playing around both shooting video and pictures and then my own futile attempts to take good pictures of course. Some people on this forum gets kind of snobbish sometimes. My best picture ever I shot with my old 60D, without looking, I aimed it at a police officer shaking down a guy for money. Technically not a very good picture, but I was there in the moment and saw it go down as I walked past. I shot it backwards under my own armpit and the strap is disturbing the image That is also photography, not only perfect colourful landscapes with a lot of dynamic range.

Rockwell is what he is, I think he does a great job. AND I do like his writing.

I am with you. The photo you describe, as I imagine it, has the potential of being an unusual, interesting photo.

 

[Marsu42]

6D isn't that cheap and it's decent. 5D3 or 1DX is better but it doesn't mean that 6D isn't decent. If professionals can produce good pictures with a 10D, 20D, 5D, 5D2, (even point and shoots) etc... there is no reason you can't treat 6D as a decent tool.

+1 ... when often reading CR it seems like you need a 5d3+24-70ii to take a good shot of your doorknob, but of course *ALL* Rebel+ gear is decent, even older cameras, esp. if paired with a non-kit lens - it's all €1000+ gear! The only variables are dedicated pro requirements (on site backup, customizations, sealing, reliability esp. of af) or the need for very large prints requiring 100% crop sharpness.

Rockwell is what he is, I think he does a great job. AND I do like his writing.

Me too, that's why he's so successful (and because of his growing family ) ... at least he's got the courage not to disguise his opinion as "facts", for example when he's saying he likes the 60d/6d-style multicontroller over the joystick or if he states what features are useless to him.

The only thing I didn't expect when I first read his reviews is that he sometimes simply gets real tech facts mixed up due to mediocre research, he doesn't seem to like reading manuals.