little complain about the dual card system on 5D III

[Astro]

Well for one thing deleting files is going to fragment your memory card.

since when has "fragmenting" any significance for flash memory?

harddisk ok.. but SSD or FLASH memory should be unaffected by fragmenting.
that´s why you should disable defrag for SSD´s.

 

[AnselA]

I would have preferred two cards of the very same type but that is me.

 

[tt]

Well for one thing deleting files is going to fragment your memory card.

since when has "fragmenting" any significance for flash memory?

harddisk ok.. but SSD or FLASH memory should be unaffected by fragmenting.
that´s why you should disable defrag for SSD´s.

If a block is wiped, then you can just write to the block.
it isn't defragmented (eg all wiped to zeros) , the whole blckk has to be wrewritten not just the section you want to write the file too.

A 2 K write can cause a much larger section to be written for example. Imagine camera cards could be similar.

 

[briansquibb]

Well for one thing deleting files is going to fragment your memory card.

since when has "fragmenting" any significance for flash memory?

harddisk ok.. but SSD or FLASH memory should be unaffected by fragmenting.
that´s why you should disable defrag for SSD´s.

SSD bytes have limited read/write cycles so it is best to write over the whole disk rather than a small portion

 

[Fleetie]

5sec/file? 300 RAW = 6 minutes

??!!

Come again?

Try 5s * 300 = 1500s = 25 minutes!

 

[TexPhoto]

I never delete in camera. I just have large cards, and download often. I do think deleting in camera and formatting on the computer, or not at all are contributors to corrupt cards.

I also think cards get lost when they are out of the camera, far more often than pockets explode.

My 5DIII will have a 32GB CF card, and an 8GB Eye-Fi Pro. The Eye-Fi pro will be new for me, and will send my photos to my iPad for review, Facebook and instagram.

 

[awinphoto]

Raw + Jpeg was originally intended for pro's with clients on hand or art directors/creative directors who have laptops on hand and want to see files OOC. Most art directors who dont have raw software may or may not be able to open a raw file on their laptop computer, plus download time... time is money, right? So the idea is you throw in the card, download the jpeg, opens in seconds, and opens in just about any image program... art director see's what you have, gives critique and pointers on where he wants the shoot to go from there... if the scene is tickling his fancy or if he wants to go in another direction. It's a down and dirty quick soft proof for clients or that was the thinking of it... The 2 cards helped streamline it so you can take out the backup card and not disturb the original in case you need to continue shooting, and why the SD card? It's cheaper? I personally dont see the appeal but to each their own. I'm a professional and shoot large jpegs from time to time depending on what i'm doing, what my original output is meant to be, and whats going on... If it's for print, or if I get that hunch that I want the original for my portfolio, I shoot Raws... if I have a client who wants photos for their website, screw it, i shoot jpegs... If it's for small prints, jpegs... If it's down and dirty chasing my kids around for the heck of it, jpegs (I can fit more jpegs on my cards than raws)... Plus I have tested tried and true settings on my jpegs where I dont lose much info, plus the extra time going through ACR/DPP to process the raws, unless it's worth my time and time (money), then I shoot raw.. when it's not, then i'm fine shooting jpeg if needed.

 

[justsomedude]

The Eye-Fi pro will be new for me, and will send my photos to my iPad for review, Facebook and instagram.

+1

The dual CF/SD slots can provide a multitude of new display options. I can stream my images via WiFi to my Android tablet - and with the HDMI out on the tablet, send a direct feed to a large LCD for instant soft proofing in-studio.

So sick.

 

[ecka]

5sec/file? 300 RAW = 6 minutes

??!!

Come again?

Try 5s * 300 = 1500s = 25 minutes!

my bad, I don't know how that 6 got there

 

[samueljay]

5sec/file? 300 RAW = 6 minutes

??!!

Come again?

Try 5s * 300 = 1500s = 25 minutes!

my bad, I don't know how that 6 got there

Hey Ecka,
Just wondering how you convert so many raws to jpegs that quickly? Is that using one of those software programs you mentioned? I only use Photoshop, and even batching that many is annoying because I have to stay at the computer and hit enter every time it opens / saves a new file.
Thanks
Sam.

 

[Shamus1]

Actually I don't mind, as I shoot pro dance, currently with 1DMkIV, 1DMkIII, 5DMkII and now 5DMKIII. I love the dual cards for back-up and after the shoot, usually don't even have to look at them, but due to the 1 Series am set up for the dual card format. If it had been two CF's, a little tricker keeping track of them as I can go thru quite a few (2,000 - 3,000 shots during a long show with two - three bodies) and I would have to get a few more CF cards...

 

[briansquibb]

5sec/file? 300 RAW = 6 minutes

??!!

Come again?

Try 5s * 300 = 1500s = 25 minutes!

my bad, I don't know how that 6 got there

Hey Ecka,
Just wondering how you convert so many raws to jpegs that quickly? Is that using one of those software programs you mentioned? I only use Photoshop, and even batching that many is annoying because I have to stay at the computer and hit enter every time it opens / saves a new file.
Thanks
Sam.

DPP has a batch convert and can also does a resize at the same time if needed.

DPP can also apply batch changes (like levels, wb etc) - take seconds for a 1000 files

DPP - free and forgotten but highly capable

 

[AvTvM]

The Eye-Fi pro will be new for me, and will send my photos to my iPad for review, Facebook and instagram.

+1

The dual CF/SD slots can provide a multitude of new display options. I can stream my images via WiFi to my Android tablet - and with the HDMI out on the tablet, send a direct feed to a large LCD for instant soft proofing in-studio.

+1
that is the one use I would have for a second card slot with SD. It allows us, to spit on Canon's huge, ugly, and ridiculously expensive Canon wtf-5 WIFI brick and get the job done with a small, 70 Euro Eye-Fi Card.

 

[briansquibb]

I tether to get the output - wont be long before wireless USB arrives.

 

[mcintoshi]

Hi,
This is a little off topic, but why did Canon choose to have different card types for the 5d3? Two cards - fine. CF or SD, fine too. But why one and the other?

I'm guessing the feature sets don't overlap and so having both allows you to pick a little of each?

Cheers,

P_R.
(By the way, glad the smite system has gone (even if briefly). Hoping members now use words to describe their disagreement, it is a *discussion* forum!)

Could be almost anything. We can only assume what reason Canon engineers were swayed by, but it could have been price, the size of a second CF connector on the board or the card in general. My assumption is the upgrade path. They probably thought a lot of people getting a Mk.III for video would be coming from a T3/2i and already had SD cards.

I can actually give a definitive answer on this one. I went to a 5D3 hands-on intro night at a local camera shop and they had flown in a Canon rep, who was extremely knowledgeable and there wasn't a technical question she couldn't answer. Anyway, the question of why two different formats came up, and the answer was that it was a combination of size and cost. Apparently it takes more physical space to get two CF connections in there, and I think also it would have made it more challenging engineering-wise, which would have upped the cost.

So that's it straight from the horse's mouth. (Sorry Michelle from Canon Australia, I'm not calling you a horse - you did a great job fielding some ridiculous questions).

 

[ecka]

5sec/file? 300 RAW = 6 minutes

??!!

Come again?

Try 5s * 300 = 1500s = 25 minutes!

my bad, I don't know how that 6 got there

Hey Ecka,
Just wondering how you convert so many raws to jpegs that quickly? Is that using one of those software programs you mentioned? I only use Photoshop, and even batching that many is annoying because I have to stay at the computer and hit enter every time it opens / saves a new file.
Thanks
Sam.

Hey Sam,
I aplogize for such late response, I wasn't around here for some time. To be fair, I never did convert so many RAW files at once (perhaps this is why my calculations were wrong). However, I did batch process 50-60 RAW files and 5sec/file speed is real. I think that it highly depends on what hardware you are using. Any system based on Intel i7 CPU (or equivalent) and 6+ GB of RAM (I find 2-4GB RAM being too low for a fast PS/LR workflow) would do it easily. I'm not sure what software I mentioned in that context (if any), I'm using Adobe Lightroom and I only press enter to overwrite an existing JPG file or to save the new one with a different name. You can choose to export new files to a subfolder so there will be no interruptions.

 

[samueljay]

Hey Ecka!
No worries at all! I've since discovered LR and DPP They're both ace and have sped up the process ten-fold. And yeah, my MBP only has about 4GB RAM, will look to getting a beast iMac if / when I start doing this more seriously

 

[prestonpalmer]

For pro use, shoot RAW + jpeg, put the CF cards in your pocket and leave the sd card in your camera. So when your camera gets stolen, or your pocket explodes, at least there's another copy somewhere.

Exploding pockets are uncommon, however

Yup. I write RAW to the CF and JPG to the SD. The SD is nothing more than a rolling emergency backup. NEVER delete images in camera. Very very bad practice.

 

[sparda79]

I only use Photoshop, and even batching that many is annoying because I have to stay at the computer and hit enter every time it opens / saves a new file.

I would open the folder containing RAW files using Adobe Bridge. Select all RAW files and open with ACR. Then inside ACR, select all, click save image and save inside the same folder (or where ever you want).

After that you can just close the ACR and it will convert your RAWs one by one. There is no need to keep pressing enter.

 

[prestonpalmer]

get Lightroom.