Long time 5D user, will I upgrade or wait for 6DII?

[melbournite]

I’ve been using the 5D since the classic Mk1. In fact it was the first DSLR I owned coming from film days. I did use the 1DII prior but only hired.

For the first time I’m not placing a preorder for the MkIV. That’s not to say that the camera won’t end up in my kit because most likely it will.

There’s no doubt that so many things on the Mk4 will have been improved including things that I care about, dynamic range, high iso, focusing speed, expanded focusing points, colour, wifi, and 4K.

My only gripe is no flip screen (my personal preference and I don’t want to start another war). The 30.4mp is great for certain projects but for much of my work unnecessary and it will slow down my workflow. Sure, you can shoot at a lower resolution, but do you have to then advise your client that you’re not shooting at full resolution? For that reason, I can stick with the MkIII, then I am always shooting at full resolution 22mp.

I’ve been looking forward to 4K, more for personal projects than commercial ones - I have yet to be asked by a client for compulsory 4K, although I don’t doubt the time will come. Disclaimer: I shoot mostly stills.

So I guess, I’m interested to see who else like me hasn’t pre-ordered and why? And will you wait for the 6D?

 

[wsmith96]

For me, I haven't pre-ordered because I'm cheap, relatively speaking, and I typically wait for the initial price to drop or for it to show up on the refurb site. I doubt there will be a price decrease anytime soon so I would expect to see bundle deals show up around Black Friday.

That said, I agree with you on the articulated screen - it's nice to have, but in regards to the 6d there are no confirmations that the mkii would have one, just speculations and hopes. In you are happy with your mkiii, then you could supplement your kit with a dedicated video camera for those times you need one. Most already have articulated touch screens on them. Just a thought.

 

[melbournite]

Hi wssmith96.

I have thought about a dedicated video camera many times. The flip screen is not only for video and highly desirable for stills too. It’s more the DSLR form factor I feel comfortable with as a still shooter. In fact I think Canon made the XC10 for still shooters like me and I so wanted to like this camera.

Perhaps the update to the XC10 will lure me in. Rumours are that it’s coming!

 

[Lord M]

I'm somewhat in a similar situation. When I bought the 6D in 2013/14 I didn't want to spend the money for a 5D III. But I've been very disappointed from the start with the autofocus and colour rendering of the 6D. So now I'm finally looking to upgrade from my 6D. I was waiting for the 5D IV to come out, but the price is just to high for me.

So is the 5D III still worth it's money? From what I see other photographers do with it I must assume it is.

 

[matrix95136]

Lord, What do you find lacking in color rendering of 6D? Is this observation in absolute terms or relative to 5D series?

Thanks
Deepinder

 

[StudentOfLight]

Lord, What do you find lacking in color rendering of 6D? Is this observation in absolute terms or relative to 5D series?

Thanks
Deepinder

+1, The only time I had issues with color rendering from the 6D was when shooting with fast shutter speeds under flickering lighting. The exposures and colors were slightly out from one image to the next. The 5D-III will not do any better under those circumstances, on the other hand, the newer 5Ds-R, 5Ds, 7D-II and 5D-IV which have implemented flicker-detection will.

 

[Sporgon]

I'm somewhat in a similar situation. When I bought the 6D in 2013/14 I didn't want to spend the money for a 5D III. But I've been very disappointed from the start with the colour rendering of the 6D.



So is the 5D III still worth it's money? From what I see other photographers do with it I must assume it is.

Disappointed compared to what ?

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

The jump from the original 5D to any modern Canon DSLR will be an absolute joy. Really. Even a 60D/70D will blow your mind in how fast and snappy and how you can interact with the camera so fast, so modern. The LCD on new cameras will be like wearing new corrected glasses. They're large, bright, they show accurate representation of the image, and the image quality have gone up quite a bit. Specially noise performance has made an enormous leap.
The Current Canon 6D is an absolute bargain. It has all these modern features and speed and screen and image quality. I suggest you buy on for photographic purposes. 1400$-ish

Then you want to shoot video: Canon you live with the more/aliasing on the 6D (only appears on wide landscape shots)? If you can live with and shoot close ups or even your clients know nothing about it, this would save you a lot of money as instead of buying another video rig the 6D could work as your video camera. It has produced some gorgous video over the years and still does.

Want 4K video and can't stand moire/aliasing? Buy the 5D MKIV. Because all the cheaper 4K cameras from Sony a6300 for example overheats and cannot be relied on, and the one you can rely on is a 3000+$ a7sII which along with a 6D would approach 5DIV price. And Panasonics are reliable 4K cameras like the GH4, but have very small 2.3x crop sensors and along with cost of a 6D would not be far from a 5DIV (about 1K difference).

Really I suggest if you want stills, go with a 6D. If you want 4K video and stills, go 5DIV.

The 6D MKII will probably omit 4K and just get 1080p 60p.

 

[scyrene]

Sure, you can shoot at a lower resolution, but do you have to then advise your client that you’re not shooting at full resolution? For that reason, I can stick with the MkIII, then I am always shooting at full resolution 22mp.

This is interesting... I've never shot commercially like that, but do clients really know or care? Do they even know what model of camera you use? Don't you have a portfolio of work, and they pick a photographer based on that/reputation, and then if the pics you provide are what they want, it's all good? I mean, I know many submitted images for competitions and magazines have restrictions on resolution and dpi, but I've never heard that it has anything to do with the original resolution of the base image... I mean, what if you regularly crop?

I'm genuinely intriged what pros have to say about this.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Sure, you can shoot at a lower resolution, but do you have to then advise your client that you’re not shooting at full resolution? For that reason, I can stick with the MkIII, then I am always shooting at full resolution 22mp.

This is interesting... I've never shot commercially like that, but do clients really know or care? Do they even know what model of camera you use? Don't you have a portfolio of work, and they pick a photographer based on that/reputation, and then if the pics you provide are what they want, it's all good? I mean, I know many submitted images for competitions and magazines have restrictions on resolution and dpi, but I've never heard that it has anything to do with the original resolution of the base image... I mean, what if you regularly crop?

I'm genuinely intriged what pros have to say about this.

Yes I've never heard of anyone getting puposely asked to choose L instead of M or Small. If you shoot 5D at MRaw (5040x3360- 18-ish mp) noone is going to know or bother you. I think?!

 

[melbournite]

Sure, you can shoot at a lower resolution, but do you have to then advise your client that you’re not shooting at full resolution? For that reason, I can stick with the MkIII, then I am always shooting at full resolution 22mp.

This is interesting... I've never shot commercially like that, but do clients really know or care? Do they even know what model of camera you use? Don't you have a portfolio of work, and they pick a photographer based on that/reputation, and then if the pics you provide are what they want, it's all good? I mean, I know many submitted images for competitions and magazines have restrictions on resolution and dpi, but I've never heard that it has anything to do with the original resolution of the base image... I mean, what if you regularly crop?

I'm genuinely intriged what pros have to say about this.

Yes I've never heard of anyone getting puposely asked to choose L instead of M or Small. If you shoot 5D at MRaw (5040x3360- 18-ish mp) noone is going to know or bother you. I think?!

You’re right, no-one asks for S, M or L but they do ask if they will be provided with the high resolution images. In my quotes I state that the full resolution will be up to 22mp (from the 5DIII, allowing for crop).

So technically speaking, should you offer a client different prices for shooting at 18mp as opposed to 30mp (assuming the option is from the same camera 5DIV) and/or should you state it?

I’ve always shot at the highest resolution available and no doubt I will be with the 5DIV if I get it. Funny thing is, that if I owned and was shooting with the 1DXII then I would be handing the client the highest resolution at 20mp. But it’s too big for me and besides, I don’t need 14fps.

I too am interested to hear what other pros have to say on this.