M5

[pokerz]

Fast primes [like f/1.4 or 1.2] or big fat f/2.8 zooms are just not going to happen in EF-M mount.

EF-M = APS-C image only.
Target: compact, light, cheap lenses with decent IQ, mainly zooms. Cover focal lengths and modest apertures and leverage short flange-distance.
Target achieved.

"EF-X" will definitely come for FF mirrorless. It will include multiple tiers of lenses, including "L"-type glass / fast primes, big fat expensive zooms ... just like EF which it will (eventually) replace.

It is clear to see, what's going to happen. Only the speed of transition is not fully known yet.

"EF-X"　means end of DSLR for Canon?

 

[weixing]

Fast primes [like f/1.4 or 1.2] or big fat f/2.8 zooms are just not going to happen in EF-M mount.

EF-M = APS-C image only.
Target: compact, light, cheap lenses with decent IQ, mainly zooms. Cover focal lengths and modest apertures and leverage short flange-distance.
Target achieved.

"EF-X" will definitely come for FF mirrorless. It will include multiple tiers of lenses, including "L"-type glass / fast primes, big fat expensive zooms ... just like EF which it will (eventually) replace.

It is clear to see, what's going to happen. Only the speed of transition is not fully known yet.

"EF-X"　means end of DSLR for Canon?

Hi,
IMHO, Canon will maintain the EF lens even for their FF mirrorless... no transition required. Also, this way they can come out with a mirrorless FF any time without the pressure of lack of lens and avoid angry customers who had invested a lot in Canon lens.

Have a nice day.

 

[AvTvM]

I expect Canon to come out with new native mirrorless "EF-X" mount and a starting lineup of lenses. All EF glass will remain fully functional via a simple adapter. Just like they did for EOS M.

Over some time, EF-X will supplant EF. Canon Fan Boys will happily buy all their glass all over again as EF-X lenses. Just like they did, when EF replaced FD ... because they got AF. This time they get solid state cameras and all the advantages that go with it. Transition will be far less pain ful than FD > EF though, because all that's needed is a simple & cheap adapter w/o optical elements.

Big business for many years to come. Canon would be really stupid NOT to introduce a new mount and new lenses for FF mirrorless.

 

[docsmith]

Over some time, EF-X will supplant EF.

Transition to be completed by 2035.....

 

[AvTvM]

Over some time, EF-X will supplant EF.

Transition to be completed by 2035.....

well, FD >> EF certainly was faster. on the other hand, this time EF lenses will keep working via adapter, so I also think there will be a longer transition period. But I do expect the last new Canon mirrorslapper and the last EF lens to be produced well before 2035 ...

 

[JMZawodny]

It is kind of funny to see this thread immediately change topic from the OP. To be fair, that "review" was pretty worthless.

 

[Luds34]

Big business for many years to come. Canon would be really stupid NOT to introduce a new mount and new lenses for FF mirrorless.

See this is the problem with the interwebs, can't always tell is someone is being serious or sarcastic. The smiley face along with the extreme position of "really stupid" would lean towards sarcasm. Yet your other comments all revolve around this happening.

Maybe someday??? But I don't see Canon abandoning the EF mount anytime soon.

One, why alienate your loyal customers? While most of Canon's customers buy a Rebel and never take off the kit lens, the handful of us enthusiasts and pros represent a good chunk of revenue pie for Canon. Those of us with a lot of Canon glass have a vested interest in the system and there is real cost to switching. New mount? Destroy the value of EF glass on the secondary market? At that point, one knows they need to move to a new system, and guess what it isn't guaranteed to be Canon, they might be a bit bitter for all their glass going the way of "last year's system" and abandon Canon on principal.

Two, Canon has arguably the best lens lineup/ecosystem bar none. Why throw that all away? Do you think R&D is free? Do you know how many engineering man years would be spent redeveloping that lineup for a new mount? How is the non trivial cost "good business sense" for Canon?

Three, Sony is a real life example of the pros and cons of a reduced FF mirrorless mount. All of a sudden a majority of the lenses have increased in size to make up for the short flange mount. So the size savings on the camera is offset by the lens size. Now put 2 lenses in your bag, 3, even 4, and the increased lens size cost become more dramatic.

So I come to the opposite conclusion... Canon would be really stupid to deliver a new mount right now.

 

[jd7]

I would like to see some additional primes to better round out the M glass line-up, but I'm pretty comfortable with my current M5 and kit:

(1) EF-M 15-45 - compact standard zoom
(2) EF-M 55-200 tele zoom
(3) EF-M 22/2 - super compact prime
(4*) EF 50 STM mounted on an M adapter

Using the 50 STM on an adaptor fills the portrait prime gap in the current lineup and its small/light enough even mounted on an adapter that I works well with a compact kit. I'd love to see Canon come out with a 55mm and 85mm EF-M prime at some point.

This 4 lens combination gives me 24mm-320mm full format equivalent focal length coverage with slow zooms and the two primes (35 and 80mm equivalent) for low light and option for shallow depth of field.

I haven't experimented with my better quality EF L lenses on the M5 yet, but plan to this weekend just to experiment. I don't expect its something I will do with any frequency, even with the M5's capable autofocus capability since the whole idea behind the M series is small size and limited weight.

My M5 + 15-45 kit arrived yesterday as did by EF-M 55-200. Limited time and terrible weather have prevented any serious photography yet, but I was able do to some shooting with it yesterday during my lunch hour. I like how it handles and am initially impressed with the EVF and auto focus system. I'll run it through more thorough testing shooting the kids this weekend and I'll report back next week.

Just wondering what made you choose the EF-M 15-45 over the EF-M 18-55? Just came in a kit with the M5?

I'm not in the market for an M5 quite yet but maybe one of these days, and if I did get one, I'm not sure which of those two I would go for. I like the idea of 15 at the wide end, and the compactness of the 15-45, but I get the impression the 18-55 is better optically(?).

 

[jolyonralph]

I'm sure we've been through this discussion before

Canon have tested the waters with the EOS-M range and have actually done very well with them (especially in Asia.) The EOS M5 looks like it will be an absolute winner.

If anyone thinks that Canon are going to sit back and ignore the market potential of a full-frame mirrorless camera then they really don't understand the market.

I think it's inevitable we'll see a FF mirrorless announcement sometime in 2017.

 

[Eagle Eye]

No doubt Canon needs to get some more EF-M glass to market. I am very excited for the 18-150, though. Same filter size as the 11-22 and enough range that I'm going to let go of my 18-55 and 55-200. I just added in the Rokinon 50mm f1.2. Holy bokeh. Manual aperture and focus isn't everyone's bag, but I love it. With the Rok. 35mm f/1.2 on its way to market, I feel like I'm going to have a great lens setup for my M2 in the coming months. 11-22, 18-150, 22mm f/2, 35mm f1.2, 50mm f/1.2. May even pick up a 28mm macro if I can find a good deal. I've barely touched my 6D and L primes and zooms in the past 18 months. It's looking less and less likely that I'll ever go back to it. Probably will pick up the M5, but the price is going to need to drop a couple hundred. I bought my 6D refurbished from Canon (it was definitely new) for $899. Can't justify spending more on a crop mirrorless.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I'm sure we've been through this discussion before

Canon have tested the waters with the EOS-M range and have actually done very well with them (especially in Asia.) The EOS M5 looks like it will be an absolute winner.

If anyone thinks that Canon are going to sit back and ignore the market potential of a full-frame mirrorless camera then they really don't understand the market.

I think it's inevitable we'll see a FF mirrorless announcement sometime in 2017.

Maybe a full frame with a retro look and an FD lens mount?

 

[bholliman]

I would like to see some additional primes to better round out the M glass line-up, but I'm pretty comfortable with my current M5 and kit:

(1) EF-M 15-45 - compact standard zoom
(2) EF-M 55-200 tele zoom
(3) EF-M 22/2 - super compact prime
(4*) EF 50 STM mounted on an M adapter

Just wondering what made you choose the EF-M 15-45 over the EF-M 18-55? Just came in a kit with the M5?

I'm not in the market for an M5 quite yet but maybe one of these days, and if I did get one, I'm not sure which of those two I would go for. I like the idea of 15 at the wide end, and the compactness of the 15-45, but I get the impression the 18-55 is better optically(?).

I went with the 15-45 primarily for its

• compact size (not much bigger than the 22/2)
• 15mm on the wide end
• the price was right - only roughly $100 as part of the M5 kit

I had an EF-M 18-55 that I just sold along with my M1. I did a little side-by-side shooting with the two lenses and I couldn't see much difference optically, but its wasn't serious testing. The 18-55 is a little sturdier (metal body) and f/5.6 at the long end instead of f/6.3, but those factors didn't outweigh size and 15mm for me. I'll be watching for serious testing of these two lenses and the rest of the EF-M line-up. For now I'm pretty well set except for UWA. I would like to pick up a 11-22 or a Rokinon 12mm at some point. The Rokinon/Samyang primes are also interesting, but I need to perfect manual focus on the M5 before I look in that direction.

I had my M1 for nearly 3 1/2 years and never considered buying any additional lenses beyond the 22 and 18-55. I've owned the M5 for 4 days and already purchased 2 new lenses and am looking at others.

 

[bholliman]

No doubt Canon needs to get some more EF-M glass to market. I am very excited for the 18-150, though. Same filter size as the 11-22 and enough range that I'm going to let go of my 18-55 and 55-200. I just added in the Rokinon 50mm f1.2. Holy bokeh. Manual aperture and focus isn't everyone's bag, but I love it. With the Rok. 35mm f/1.2 on its way to market, I feel like I'm going to have a great lens setup for my M2 in the coming months. 11-22, 18-150, 22mm f/2, 35mm f1.2, 50mm f/1.2. May even pick up a 28mm macro if I can find a good deal. I've barely touched my 6D and L primes and zooms in the past 18 months. It's looking less and less likely that I'll ever go back to it. Probably will pick up the M5, but the price is going to need to drop a couple hundred. I bought my 6D refurbished from Canon (it was definitely new) for $899. Can't justify spending more on a crop mirrorless.

I thought about buying the new 18-150 instead of the 55-200, but decided to go with the older lens when it was on sale as a refurb last week. I'll be watching for reviews.

 

[jd7]

I would like to see some additional primes to better round out the M glass line-up, but I'm pretty comfortable with my current M5 and kit:

(1) EF-M 15-45 - compact standard zoom
(2) EF-M 55-200 tele zoom
(3) EF-M 22/2 - super compact prime
(4*) EF 50 STM mounted on an M adapter

Just wondering what made you choose the EF-M 15-45 over the EF-M 18-55? Just came in a kit with the M5?

I'm not in the market for an M5 quite yet but maybe one of these days, and if I did get one, I'm not sure which of those two I would go for. I like the idea of 15 at the wide end, and the compactness of the 15-45, but I get the impression the 18-55 is better optically(?).

I went with the 15-45 primarily for its

• compact size (not much bigger than the 22/2)
• 15mm on the wide end
• the price was right - only roughly $100 as part of the M5 kit

I had an EF-M 18-55 that I just sold along with my M1. I did a little side-by-side shooting with the two lenses and I couldn't see much difference optically, but its wasn't serious testing. The 18-55 is a little sturdier (metal body) and f/5.6 at the long end instead of f/6.3, but those factors didn't outweigh size and 15mm for me. I'll be watching for serious testing of these two lenses and the rest of the EF-M line-up. For now I'm pretty well set except for UWA. I would like to pick up a 11-22 or a Rokinon 12mm at some point. The Rokinon/Samyang primes are also interesting, but I need to perfect manual focus on the M5 before I look in that direction.

I had my M1 for nearly 3 1/2 years and never considered buying any additional lenses beyond the 22 and 18-55. I've owned the M5 for 4 days and already purchased 2 new lenses and am looking at others.

Thanks! Will be interested to see what you think of the 15-45 once you've used it for a while, but as long as the optics are at least close to the 18-55, I can certainly see the attraction of the 15-45.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

I bought the 18-55 back shortly after I got the original M...once the M10 and 15-45 lens came out, I never touched the 18-55 again. I do feel the 18-55 is a little better optically, but it's not a significant difference. The extra 3mm on the wide end makes a much bigger difference in my opinion. Oh yeah, and it's smaller too. I've since sold the 18-55 and now run with 11-22/22/15-45/55-200 for the M system.

 

[crashpc]

No doubt Canon needs to get some more EF-M glass to market. I am very excited for the 18-150, though. Same filter size as the 11-22 and enough range that I'm going to let go of my 18-55 and 55-200. I just added in the Rokinon 50mm f1.2. Holy bokeh. Manual aperture and focus isn't everyone's bag, but I love it. With the Rok. 35mm f/1.2 on its way to market, I feel like I'm going to have a great lens setup for my M2 in the coming months. 11-22, 18-150, 22mm f/2, 35mm f1.2, 50mm f/1.2. May even pick up a 28mm macro if I can find a good deal. I've barely touched my 6D and L primes and zooms in the past 18 months. It's looking less and less likely that I'll ever go back to it. Probably will pick up the M5, but the price is going to need to drop a couple hundred. I bought my 6D refurbished from Canon (it was definitely new) for $899. Can't justify spending more on a crop mirrorless.

While looking at 6D, M5 and Samyang 50mm f/1.2, heading to the final decision, due to system usability, size, weight and price, more and more people owning the Samyang 50mm f/1.2 emerge.
Can you please elaborate a little on that lens on M body? How is focusing at further distances? Do you have any idea about comparison with Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM? Is the Samyang better wide open?
Any info or recommendation appreciated.
Thank you.