Map Times for June 2024, X-T50 pummels everyone

Half-assed, just like every single Canon APS-C release, lens or body.

7 series DSLR buyers weren't even EF-S consumers... 10-22 and a 15-85 if you bought a kit. It was 24-70, 24-105, 70-200, 100-400 and big whites.

The 17-55 maybe, but most people were annoyed by its lackluster build quality for what it cost.
 
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La línea de lentes RF-S no está del todo desarrollada. Hasta el lanzamiento de la lente dual ojo de pez RF-S, Canon tiene tantas cámaras APS-C (R7, R10, R50, R100) como lentes RF-S (10-18, 18-45, 18-150, 55-210).
Yo uso la R7 con el RF 24mm y el RF 16mm y el RF 100 500, ninguno es RF S, y las fotos que obtuve son excelentes.
La R7 requiere de algo, mucho tiempo y paciencia para encontrar la configuración adecuada para el tipo de fotografía, en la fotografia de aves es genial.
 
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I didn't get the R7 to replace my 90D, which, like an 80D, 70D, and T2i were my main cameras for (mostly) insect macro, and birds: The only photography where I fight with and use some of the limits of the camera. I still have an R8 and M6ii, and they are great for all the general use, night, and travel, but I've switched to OM System for birds and bugs. Some of that is m43 specific, you can get sharp and light and cheaper telephoto as long as you don't mind the (equivalence) slowness. Specifically the 300 f4 (so like an f8 on ff) pro is a great lens, and I am happy to trade the slowness (but bright enough for fast focus before dawn, even with 1.4 adapter) and lightness vs 100-400iiL or 500f4IS on a Canon FF or APS-C. But the other reasons were (as mentioned here) loud shutter and especially rolling shutter in e-shutter mode. The OM-1 is fully functional in electronic shutter (aside from maddening having to remember to set the SS to 1/100 and only the basic silent shutter mode when you want to focus bracket with flash). The ergonomics of the R7 can't be worse than OM Systems, where I find myself having to re-learn things because they aren't ever intuitive. The mechanical and e-shutter limits were the most important things, as well as being a little behind in computational stuff. While we're at it, I'd really like to see some no-cost (for canon) upgrades, porting the 32 1.4, 20 f2, and less urgently the 11-22, and of course a capable but smaller m6-ii like body, and an end to hunger in a world of plenty.
 
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Too bad about the R7 being underwhelming. I have a couple of Fujis and while I love them on one level they certainly have to be sent in for repair more frequently than any of my Canons. I'm likely selling the Fujis due to that. Also the Fuji Pro service is really not up to CPS in any way shape or form, cost much more and slow.
 
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Canon needs a better APS-C offering. Hopefully the fact they are allowing 3rd party APS-C lenses along with that VR lens is an indicator they will be coming out with something more pro level than the R7. The R7 is an OK camera for the money but with its wonky old-school sensor along with some other issues like its rather unique ergonomics and plasticky build quality, it just shows that Canon isn't that serious yet about R series APS-C cameras. Maybe in another year after they get their full frames updated first.
 
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(CIPA) Last year, 4,832,813 mirrorless cameras were shipped. Of those, only 481,768 went to Japan.

And on the Japan-only BCN list for June, the best selling Fujifilm X-T50 was #20.

BCN tends to look more to cheap and the kits, Many of which are broken apart on resold. MAP and other camera companies in Japan are huge, and usually give a good indication of what prosumers, etc are really looking at.

Canon's R6 Mark II has traditionally done well - but it's also the only one of Canon's lineup that seems to do well.
 
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I have no issues with the R7 ergonomics....However, I can see that R7 will not suit non-Asian hands. R7ii is a must for next year. It preferably comes in a 3xMP stacked, making a bigger difference with the FF.

Panny S9 is doing better than I thought, but it won't change my view on S9 that it's a POS with that pricing, same for ZV-E10ii
Fuji doing well is giving the wrong message to manufacturers that specs don't matter, and only the "retro" looks will sell. Fuji cannot make reliable AF-C/tracking in 2024 and still gets forgiven by the majority.

The sales figure seems low for R8, which is not doing its justice. R8 is over-hated because the YouTube overlords are picky about the battery and IBIS
 
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I'm surprised the R50 and R10 didn't make it in the top 10?

The R7 should have been compatible with a battery grip, mirror-less needs them even more then DSLR in my opinion.
Probably 11~20 is where they are. Considering the CMOS Canon uses is still the ageing 80D's CMOS, it's a low-cost high-revenue product for them. Nevertheless, I'm enjoying R50 much more than my 80D despite knowing the Image Quality is not much different; form factor and AF is a huge upgrade.
 
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I have no issues with the R7 ergonomics....However, I can see that R7 will not suit non-Asian hands. R7ii is a must for next year. It preferably comes in a 3xMP stacked, making a bigger difference with the FF.

a 40MP stacked APS-C is long overdue. the 32.5MP is (counts fingers) 3 generations old now.

while it's still a fantastic sensor (same one as the M6 Mark II basically) it can be better.

The issue i have with the ergonomics - it's a stupid unforced error. How many of "us" cut our teeth up from the XXD series into 7D series and wanted to migrate to mirrorless? Then you go ahead and make it completely and radically different than every other RF system forcing a decision .. do i get this or wait for them to realize they messed up on the R7 Mark II?

Why do one-off ergonomic changes - the EOS R showed that kind of stuff wasn't popular. Canon knows better than to do this.

Take me. I look at the APS-C lineup for RF. I'd happily take a R5 like R7 with a top LCD, and professional xD / Rx series ergonomics. Without a doubt - I used 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 7D, 7DII before mirrorless. But I don't like what they did. So what's my choices - all the other RF APS-C cameras are with a (counts even more fingers) 4 generation old sensor? And I'm paying a premium for that? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in this situation looking at the RF APS-C system. It neither looks compelling from the EOS-M or the EF.

YEs Yes Yes I know .. Canon knows best, market leader, etc. but they are shipping from Japan and inventory is just sitting around and not being sold.
 
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a 40MP stacked APS-C is long overdue. the 32.5MP is (counts fingers) 3 generations old now.

while it's still a fantastic sensor (same one as the M6 Mark II basically) it can be better.

The issue i have with the ergonomics - it's a stupid unforced error. How many of "us" cut our teeth up from the XXD series into 7D series and wanted to migrate to mirrorless? Then you go ahead and make it completely and radically different than every other RF system forcing a decision .. do i get this or wait for them to realize they messed up on the R7 Mark II?

Why do one-off ergonomic changes - the EOS R showed that kind of stuff wasn't popular. Canon knows better than to do this.

Take me. I look at the APS-C lineup for RF. I'd happily take a R5 like R7 with a top LCD, and professional xD / Rx series ergonomics. Without a doubt - I used 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 7D, 7DII before mirrorless. But I don't like what they did. So what's my choices - all the other RF APS-C cameras are with a (counts even more fingers) 4 generation old sensor? And I'm paying a premium for that? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in this situation looking at the RF APS-C system. It neither looks compelling from the EOS-M or the EF.

YEs Yes Yes I know .. Canon knows best, market leader, etc. but they are shipping from Japan and inventory is just sitting around and not being sold.
When the R7 became available for rental, I took it on a trip with my R5 and M6II. My conclusion was that it was too small for the 100-500 and too big to replace the M6II. The €1800 price tag was too much for what I’d get out of it. Fast forward 18 months and having sold my R5 in anticipation for the R5II, the €1200 price at panamoz was too good to pass up.
The R7, with all the firmware updates, performs better than expected. But I still think it’s an R90 and I hate the centimeter they chopped off the bottom. Buuuuuut so much more pixels per dragonfly compared to the R8!

The sigma RF-S lenses had me look at the other crop bodies and none of them have an acceptable sensor readout, I find the R7 one borderline acceptable. The prices are also way too high for what you get when comparing with the R8. Worse, the R10 is more expensive than the M6II launch price!

What I’m looking for is a capable crop body that doesn’t add nerfed features to look “pro”, like the EVFs on the 50 series. An RF M200 or M6II would be great, or as @Richard CR says, an R5 body with a fast aps-c sensor.

Without the 7D context, the R7 is a great camera. Avoid using it side by side with an R5 or R8 :)
 
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