More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[exquisitor]

I tell you what, I wouldn't mind a tripod that came with an umbrella holder in/on it somewhere! Or something that you could attach to a tripod to do that...

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2012/09/20/diy-photography-hacks-stay-dry-with-a-hands-free-umbrella-holder-for-your-tripod/
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[jeffa4444]

Crap focus system, and you guys are worried about weather sealing...okay.

How about being able to do non center focusing in that weather...good luck with that,

Ive got around 5500 shots taken with the 6D the only poor focus shots were user error not down to the camera. Bad workmen always blame their tools. The 5DMIII Ive taken thousands of shots with similar level of out of focus shots all user error.

 

[candyman]

I tell you what, I wouldn't mind a tripod that came with an umbrella holder in/on it somewhere! Or something that you could attach to a tripod to do that...

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2012/09/20/diy-photography-hacks-stay-dry-with-a-hands-free-umbrella-holder-for-your-tripod/
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That's a funny one.
Usually you have some wind that comes with the rain. It will blow against or under the umbrella. That will cause vibration on the tripod and camera. Sharp image?
I would use a separate stand and attach the umbrella to that.

 

[Bernard]

If you've learned anything from this thread (and I know I haven't) it's that Bernard has never shot a wedding. That's really the only logical conclusion I can draw.

Good to know that you know you haven't.
I agree with what you know you don't know, but obviously the thing you know others should know is incorrect, as you know.

 

[eninja]

Crap focus system, and you guys are worried about weather sealing...okay.

How about being able to do non center focusing in that weather...good luck with that,

Ive got around 5500 shots taken with the 6D the only poor focus shots were user error not down to the camera. Bad workmen always blame their tools. The 5DMIII Ive taken thousands of shots with similar level of out of focus shots all user error.

+1

 

[Sporgon]

And please keep it civil, there are no cavemen over here... or at least I think so. Thank you very much.

At least a caveman would be able to shoot from his dry cave when it's raining. Perhaps that's what gave Canon the idea of a stone age AF system..... :-X

Seriously though, I'm one of those whom has no issues with the AF system on the 6D. It is improved from the 5D / 5DII, I believe it's a closed loop or something; it will react and reconfirm if not on target, whereas the 5D didn't. Certainly tests done by Roger at Lens Rentals showed it to be much more accurate than the older 5D. However in the sort of shooting I do there is generally time, when using an outer point, to consider the orientation of the contrast I am trying to focus on, so it matches the orientation required by the AF point. I can understand that people who shoot in environments that don't allow this will find the system frustrating compared with cameras that has x or + outer points.

We all have different desires and requirements. For myself to 'up grade' to a 6DII I would want a full mag alloy body ( purely psychosomatic on my part), firmer user interface on the controls and an up grade to the 'wheel + 8 way controller' on the back. 1/8000 is useful for very fast lenses, but then I accept you can't have everything in a cheaper model. Not bothered about the tiny difference in flash sync; I use HSS anyway.

 

[bdunbar79]

If you've learned anything from this thread (and I know I haven't) it's that Bernard has never shot a wedding. That's really the only logical conclusion I can draw.

Good to know that you know you haven't.
I agree with what you know you don't know, but obviously the thing you know others should know is incorrect, as you know.

Ok, so, what do you use then? What camera do YOU use for weddings? 1Dx? 1Ds3? 1D4? Which one? If the 6D is not pro enough, seriously, which one do you use? If you shoot weddings fine, but I just would like to know which camera you use and why.

 

[exquisitor]

That's a funny one.
Usually you have some wind that comes with the rain. It will blow against or under the umbrella. That will cause vibration on the tripod and camera. Sharp image?
I would use a separate stand and attach the umbrella to that.

If the tripod will be used only as a support for the umbrella, shooting at daylight, it would be fine. Anyway if there is a wind, the whole point of the umbrella is gone, it won't help. I prefer to use rain cover, it's more flexible and can be used with or without tripod.

 

[Bernard]

Ok, so, what do you use then? What camera do YOU use for weddings? 1Dx? 1Ds3? 1D4? Which one? If the 6D is not pro enough, seriously, which one do you use? If you shoot weddings fine, but I just would like to know which camera you use and why.

You got it about right. 1Dx and 1Ds3, albeit with a 5D2 as a backup's backup (never had to use it at an event, but good to know it's there). The three cameras colour-match very well.
Stick to primes, some old Leica, some Zeiss. I find you get better results if you know your lenses and go to where you need to be. No AF, but the chipped lenses do have focus confirmation (which is only ever useful for the aisle shot if the newly-married couple is in a hurry).

There's more than one way to cover weddings. This works for me.

 

[Loswr]

1Dx and 1Ds3...some old Leica, some Zeiss.

Which of those lenses are weather sealed to match your 1-series bodies, for all that standing in the rain?

 

[bdunbar79]

Fair enough. I miss my 1Ds3. I also miss the 1/300s flash sync speed of the 1D4. But the IQ couldn't touch the 1Ds3.

 

[Loswr]

Who are we all fooling? The 6D- that i own (and selling!)- just needs a decent Af system. The 9pt system, 1 cross point garbage doesnt belong on ANY camera in this age. Its an embarrasment.
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Really?

The current AF system in the 6D goes to -3EV.

That's better than any other camera in Canon's current lineup.

What is your real problem?
That it doesn't cover the viewfinder with AF points for subject tracking?
Or something else?

His real problem is that the 6D's AF system doesn't work for him. If you look back, the 7D's AF system didn't work for him, either. I wonder if he'd have the same problem if he tries a 1D X, I suspect he would.

 

[Moulyneau]

Ive got around 5500 shots taken with the 6D the only poor focus shots were user error not down to the camera.

Yea the 6D's central focus point is outstanding and better than all of the ones in the 5D mk III. It's all about if you like focus & recompose technique. I do. If some of you don't, I can understand why you'd want to see an upgrade there.

And I love my 6D for what it is. I think the 6D mk 2 needs other major improvements. The AF system will be better, but it wont reach the 5D or 7D series in terms of speed and number of AF points... but in terms of AF sensitivity, the 6D is already better. Depends on what you need. I don't need 5D's or 7D's AF. You guys may have a different opinion and I respect that.

If not for the AF, I really like the 6D but I use it only with wide angles like 8-15 and 16-35. And I do belong to the recomposing-haters, at least with fast lenses. Each his preferences... For example recomposing with the 35mm at 1.4, no way for me. Whenever AF is critical, e.g. primes or longer focal stuff, I'll grab the 5D3 anytime.

Apart from the usual upgrade stuff, just wishing Canon will beef up the AF points to "today's" level. I for one don't give a rat's butt about dual card slot, but a joystick would make me drool. Most likely they won't add one but when you get used to it, it's difficult to live without!

 

[super_newbie_pro]

28Mpx for the 6D MK II vs 20 for the 6D MK1 ... ==> The size of the photosites will be smaller ; Should we see this as bad news for low-light sensitivity ? SONY, to be better on that, has not diminished the size of photosites , but they have increased them on the SONY A7S with only 12Mpx ... Guests looking for a good camera to take pictures in very low light will they have to skip this 6D Mark II ?

 

[JohnBran]

Crap focus system, and you guys are worried about weather sealing...okay.

How about being able to do non center focusing in that weather...good luck with that,

+1

Soo true!!!

 

[JohnBran]

btw, can we return back to topic ...

i do wonder what is Canon planning with 6D Mk2. I'm in the marked for new FF camera and i'm sitting on the fence . This is the first time i'm considering leaving Canon.
Right now 6D is selling for 1600 euro but Nikon D750 is 1800 euro! There is no question that Nikon is better camera so what will Canon deliver to compete with D750 that at point when 6Dmk2 comes out at about 2200 euro , D750 will probably fall down to 1300 euro ( guessing here that 6Dmk2 will come out in about year from now).

 

[Bernard]

Which of those lenses are weather sealed to match your 1-series bodies, for all that standing in the rain?

If you've used high quality manual focus primes, you'll know that "weather sealing" is a non-issue. They don't pump air in and out like zooms do, and their machined focusing helicoids don't let water in. You do need to have them serviced every few years, but they keep working for decades. I still use one Zeiss 25 that I bought as a teenager in the 80's, and it's still sharper than any digital sensor I've attached it to. Can't wait to try it out on the 5Ds.

 

[Loswr]

Which of those lenses are weather sealed to match your 1-series bodies, for all that standing in the rain?

If you've used high quality manual focus primes, you'll know that "weather sealing" is a non-issue. They don't pump air in and out like zooms do, and their machined focusing helicoids don't let water in. You do need to have them serviced every few years, but they keep working for decades. I still use one Zeiss 25 that I bought as a teenager in the 80's, and it's still sharper than any digital sensor I've attached it to. Can't wait to try it out on the 5Ds.

My concern was more about water ingress at the lens mount. The rubber gasket on 'sealed' L-series lenses is there for a reason...

 

[Sporgon]

Which of those lenses are weather sealed to match your 1-series bodies, for all that standing in the rain?

If you've used high quality manual focus primes, you'll know that "weather sealing" is a non-issue. They don't pump air in and out like zooms do, and their machined focusing helicoids don't let water in. You do need to have them serviced every few years, but they keep working for decades. I still use one Zeiss 25 that I bought as a teenager in the 80's, and it's still sharper than any digital sensor I've attached it to. Can't wait to try it out on the 5Ds.

Bernard; you're yanking the chain now. You do know where the first port of call is for water when it comes into contact with an interchangeable lens camera ?

 

[privatebydesign]

Which of those lenses are weather sealed to match your 1-series bodies, for all that standing in the rain?

If you've used high quality manual focus primes, you'll know that "weather sealing" is a non-issue. They don't pump air in and out like zooms do, and their machined focusing helicoids don't let water in. You do need to have them serviced every few years, but they keep working for decades. I still use one Zeiss 25 that I bought as a teenager in the 80's, and it's still sharper than any digital sensor I've attached it to. Can't wait to try it out on the 5Ds.

Bernard; you are fast becoming the new class clown.

The reason your 30 year old Zeiss seems impervious to moisture is not because of the engineering, any helicoid however finely machined lets in water unless both it and the tubes they are pushing have a seal, it is because it has no electronics for the moisture to damage.

As for your "sharper than any digital sensor I've attached it to" comment, that just illustrates complete lack of understanding of another fundamental photography concept, system resolution.

So you are shooting weddings with a 1DS MkIII and 1DX along with manual focus and manual aperture lenses?