More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Sporgon]

There are two big features that could add HUGE value and bring Canon in line with what the competition is offering at a lower price point -

1. dual card slot

In what world would adding another card be regarded as adding HUGE value ?

 

[Loswr]

Because those who aren't committed aren't buying the 6D, they are going Nikon.

Interesting opinion. Care to back that up with any factual data? Hint: "My two friends bought a D750 instead of a 6D," is an anecdote, not data.

In what world would adding another card be regarded as adding HUGE value ?

In the world of, "My opinions are representative of the majority." Lots of people seem to live in that exact fantasy world, despite ample evidence to the contrary.

 

[K]

There are two big features that could add HUGE value and bring Canon in line with what the competition is offering at a lower price point -

1. dual card slot

In what world would adding another card be regarded as adding HUGE value ?

The real world.


This is now a 16 page thread. Go back and read the posts that clearly prove the advantages and value of a dual card slot.

 

[Loswr]

We get it, K. You wish Canon would sell the 5DIII/IV for the price of the 6D/II. My old Irish Da would have some advice for you...wish in one hand, sh!t in the other, and see which fills up first. Best of luck to you...

 

[dcm]

There are two big features that could add HUGE value and bring Canon in line with what the competition is offering at a lower price point -

1. dual card slot

In what world would adding another card be regarded as adding HUGE value ?

The real world.


This is now a 16 page thread. Go back and read the posts that clearly prove the advantages and value of a dual card slot.

I have a pair of 6Ds. Single slot is fine by me. No SD or CF failures in 15 years of digital photography so backup isn't an issue. I get new cards for each body and replace them after 3 years rather than wait for them to fail. Error prevention is sufficient for many of us. Same as replacing/upgrading my hard drives every three years. Don't need the convenience. 32Gb cards are fine for raw+JPG shooting all day, copy / backup at night so I can start with a fresh card next day. I haven't needed to shoot more than a thousand images in one day but I could always get a larger card if needed. Oh wait, I have a pair of 64Gb cards for shooting video. I always have two cards for each body anyway. I imagine Canon knows there are a lot of people like me that are satisfied by the 6D and they have other options for those that aren't.

If I was shooting professionally I might want the peace of mind and convenience of dual slots. But I would have purchased a 5D or 1D body instead. My plan for next FF body has always been a 1D anyway, but not for dual card slots. Even if I have them I'm not sure I'll use them - more power draw and heat. I wonder how many people that have them actually use them.

Reminds me of the clamor about how the lack of USB port on the iPad or optical drive on MacAir would doom them. I've had them since day one and never missed these myself. Just because another vendor has it doesn't mean anything. Do people complain about lack of dual slots on the Sony, ... forums?

 

[K]

We get it, K. You wish Canon would sell the 5DIII/IV for the price of the 6D/II. My old Irish Da would have some advice for you...wish in one hand, sh!t in the other, and see which fills up first. Best of luck to you...

So according to you, the addition of a dual card slot transforms a 6D into a 5D3?

 

[Loswr]

So according to you, the addition of a dual card slot transforms a 6D into a 5D3?

Yes, that's exactly right. In fact, maybe all you need to do is shove two microSD cards into the 6D's lousy single card slot, making it into a double card slot and turning the 6D into a 5DIII. Is your hand full yet?

 

[StudentOfLight]

For years I've done just fine with one memory card in my 60D and 6D. I just hope the new camera will be fully compatible with SD-U3. The Samsung NX1 seems to do fine with shooting 4K video with these cards so for a 6D with relatively low stills fps the U3 cards should suffice even if there is a decent bump up in resolution.

 

[mrzero]

I've been following this thread as an amateur 6D owner and, while I might have missed it in all the discussion about whether the 6D line is "pro" or not, and whether you can shoot a wedding with it, there is one major reason that dual slots should be on the 6D line. The built-in GPS makes this a born travel camera. When I am travelling, I don't have the luxury of nightly backups to a laptop or a tablet or whatever. Even if I did, I wouldn't want to spend the time to do it. Consequently, no backups until I get home, and travel photos are almost always once-in-a-lifetime photos. Add a second slot (SD, CF, whatever) and you finally have the option of doing in-camera backups. To me, adding the GPS but leaving off the second card slot is a design flaw. It may have been an intentional crippling of features by Canon, but the 6D Mark II is a chance to correct that flaw. I hope they do so.

 

[Loswr]

...there is one major reason that dual slots should be on the 6D line. The built-in GPS makes this a born travel camera. When I am travelling, I don't have the luxury of nightly backups to a laptop or a tablet or whatever. Even if I did, I wouldn't want to spend the time to do it. Consequently, no backups until I get home, and travel photos are almost always once-in-a-lifetime photos.

The most likely reason you'd lose your 'once-in-a-lifetime' travel photos is having your camera stolen...having two cards in your camera won't help. Take the time to backup nightly, or risk the consequences.

 

[eninja]

To me, adding the GPS but leaving off the second card slot is a design flaw.

Design flaw??? - sorry I fed.

 

[K]

...there is one major reason that dual slots should be on the 6D line. The built-in GPS makes this a born travel camera. When I am travelling, I don't have the luxury of nightly backups to a laptop or a tablet or whatever. Even if I did, I wouldn't want to spend the time to do it. Consequently, no backups until I get home, and travel photos are almost always once-in-a-lifetime photos.

The most likely reason you'd lose your 'once-in-a-lifetime' travel photos is having your camera stolen...having two cards in your camera won't help. Take the time to backup nightly, or risk the consequences.

Jeesh!

This person straight up said they don't have the luxury to do backups and if they did, they wouldn't want to spend the time for it on their vacation - yet, they are still told "do a backup at night" all in an effort to hound those people who express the value of dual card slot and who have the audacity to voice it.

Theft can and does happen. This has been used as some kind of bizarre argument against dual slots in that "nothing you do is 100%" ...which is nonsense of course. Having a single card is even more vulnerable IN ALL SCENARIOS. If you can take that single card out of the camera and keep it on your person, then theft is taken care of. But you can do that with a dual card strategy also - except now you not only protect against theft, but you also protect against card failure which isn't common - but it isn't as uncommon as some make it out to be.

In my view, if Canon would just offer this simple feature - they would greatly simplify data protection for so many users out there.

How much does a back up hard drive cost? Maybe I don't want to lug around a laptop or other computing device that can accept an SD card and store my photos while on vacation? What a terrible thing it is to ask that a camera have the ability to record my images to two cards! People are asking for too much!


I don't believe I'm in some minority of thinkers on this. I don't dismiss the idea that there are people out there who could care less - but I believe a lot more do care than not. Now, the question of whether they care enough to not buy the camera is completely different and that argument was illogically attempted in this thread. Obviously, with the success of the 6D, many users were willing to look past this. But I'd bet that the vast majority would not reject having a dual card slot if it was just offered in the original 6D. If Canon just said "here you go, two SD" would there even be any threads or posts in opposition to it - people lamenting and wishing it wasn't there? I think we know the answer to that.

Then why do some people just insist on putting up argumentative resistance to the idea that consumers can expect a particular feature on a camera that is offered by others at similar price point? Is it just for the sake of debating on a webforum? Or does it have any sincerity?

How about the Nikonians? Do they show dissatisfaction about having 2 card slots in everything from the D7100, D610 and up?


I think anything over $1,200 should have it. Nikon does. 80D should have it if it ever comes out. This has nothing to do with FF for semi-pro this or that.


Buying a full frame camera for $2,100 without 2 card slots is like buying a BMW without A/C.

Then having some BMW fanatics tell you that you can just roll down the windows on a hot day.


8)

 

[Loswr]

This person straight up said they don't have the luxury to do backups and if they did, they wouldn't want to spend the time for it on their vacation - yet, they are still told "do a backup at night"

If the feature under discussion was an LTE chip for instantaneous cloud backup after each shot, that would mitigate image loss from camera theft. As a justification for a second card slot, it's a weak argument.

As for 'not having time' or 'not willing to spend the time' while on vacation, that's also a weak argument. If it's important, you make the time. If you don't, you risk the consequences. Bummer that I got malaria when I went to Tanzania, I didn't have time or want to spend time to take my Malarone pills every night.

Buying a full frame camera for $2,100 without 2 card slots is like buying a BMW without A/C.

Except for one very important detail. The only place you can buy a new BMW without A/C is fantasyland.

By the way, how many card slots does the $2500 full frame Sony a7S have? How many card slots does the $2700 full frame Nikon Df have? How many card slots does the $6400 full frame Leica M have?

 

[Don Haines]

This person straight up said they don't have the luxury to do backups and if they did, they wouldn't want to spend the time for it on their vacation - yet, they are still told "do a backup at night"

If the feature under discussion was an LTE chip for instantaneous cloud backup after each shot, that would mitigate image loss from camera theft. As a justification for a second card slot, it's a weak argument.

As for 'not having time' or 'not willing to spend the time' while on vacation, that's also a weak argument. If it's important, you make the time. If you don't, you risk the consequences. Bummer that I got malaria when I went to Tanzania, I didn't have time or want to spend time to take my Malarone pills every night.

Buying a full frame camera for $2,100 without 2 card slots is like buying a BMW without A/C.

Except for one very important detail. The only place you can buy a new BMW without A/C is fantasyland.

By the way, how many card slots does the $2500 full frame Sony a7S have? How many card slots does the $2700 full frame Nikon Df have? How many card slots does the $6400 full frame Leica M have?

The thing is, ALL storage devices die.
It is not a question of IF, it is a question of WHEN.
That is why, as professionals, we back up our data, and if done properly, in multiple locations.

Two cards in a camera is safer than 1 card. NOBODY is disputing that. There is argument as to how necessary it is, but just because it has never happened to you YET does not mean it never will.

If your camera only has the one slot, yes, you can put a 512GB card into your camera and shoot 20,000 images on your once-in-a-lifetime around the world trip, but that is not smart data management.... that is one-fault-wipes-all data management. A smart photographer would use multiple smaller cards so that a data disaster changes from "I lost all the pictures of my trip" to "I lost my images of Paris". A smart photographer would back up those images and not carry the backup in the camera bag..... "someone stole my camera and the backup that was sitting beside it". Some will backup to the cloud from the hotel room... yes, it is slow, but when you are sleeping, who really cares?

There are lots of strategies to keep your data safe. Relying on the camera to do it for you or ignoring the possibility is just sticking your head into the sand.

 

[privatebydesign]

By the way, how many card slots does the $2500 full frame Sony a7S have? How many card slots does the $2700 full frame Nikon Df have? How many card slots does the $6400 full frame Leica M have?

The $45,000 Hasselblad H5D 200c has a single CF card slot too, that makes that an amateur camera by some peoples reckoning!

People equating two card slots to anything are sadly deluded, the marketing departments have them sold hook line and sinker.

 

[Loswr]

Two cards in a camera is safer than 1 card. NOBODY is disputing that. There is argument as to how necessary it is, but just because it has never happened to you YET does not mean it never will.

If your camera only has the one slot, yes, you can put a 512GB card into your camera...

So true.

Now, if I were K...I'd have made the argument that with a dual slot camera you have the functionality to copy images from one card to the other, so you could in theory keep a 512GB card in the camera and another in the hotel safe and back up to it from your in-camera card nightly using only the camera. One could argue that would save space by not having to bring another device (laptop, standalone photo backup HDD device, etc.) on the trip. Of course, that's going to eat up batteries, so you'll need extras...and when will you charge them, especially if the room power goes off when you take your keycard out of the slot by the door....

 

[K]

By the way, how many card slots does the $2500 full frame Sony a7S have? How many card slots does the $2700 full frame Nikon Df have? How many card slots does the $6400 full frame Leica M have?

The $45,000 Hasselblad H5D 200c has a single CF card slot too, that makes that an amateur camera by some peoples reckoning!

By Canon's reckoning it would be amateur. It is they who treat it as a pro-only feature. But really, Canon says nothing about pro vs amateur. It is simply their way to push people up to higher end bodies. Canon isn't content bringing that type of satisfaction to people with a less than $3,500 budget (for FF).


The HD5 is intended to be used tethered to a computer within a studio. CF card is there so that the camera is not useless without a tether. Serious medium format is done on very steady tripods or mounts - tethered. So, bad example on that.

 

[privatebydesign]

By the way, how many card slots does the $2500 full frame Sony a7S have? How many card slots does the $2700 full frame Nikon Df have? How many card slots does the $6400 full frame Leica M have?

The $45,000 Hasselblad H5D 200c has a single CF card slot too, that makes that an amateur camera by some peoples reckoning!

By Canon's reckoning it would be amateur. It is they who treat it as a pro-only feature. But really, Canon says nothing about pro vs amateur. It is simply their way to push people up to higher end bodies. Canon isn't content bringing that type of satisfaction to people with a less than $3,500 budget (for FF).


The HD5 is intended to be used tethered to a computer within a studio. CF card is there so that the camera is not useless without a tether. Serious medium format is done on very steady tripods or mounts - tethered. So, bad example on that.

It isn't canon that are saying it, it is internet 'experts' who say it is so.

By omitting the 2nd slot, it is a direct move against anyone with any kind of professional use aspirations for this camera.

See what I mean?

As for this comment.

The HD5 is intended to be used tethered to a computer within a studio. CF card is there so that the camera is not useless without a tether. Serious medium format is done on very steady tripods or mounts - tethered. So, bad example on that.

Clearly you are not familiar with Annie Leibovitz, her latest Vanity Fair Star Wars shoot has been all over the photography press for days. Tell her she isn't 'serious', then try and tell me again it is a bad example......

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/4/8542501/annie-leibovitz-star-wars-portraits-vanity-fair

 

[JohanCruyff]

So what was this thread originally about?

Wedding photographers, dual card slots and brides on the rainy day.

That's what I thought. Weird title for a thread though. ;D

LOL Yep

It seems that the general consensus on desirable features of a 6DII is that it is can track a bride running for the church door in pouring rain, and be suitably water proofed in order to achieve this without failing even when non weather sealed lenses are used. It should have dual card slots with a lockable door to stop wedding guests stealing them. And lastly the retail price should be raised to >$3500 so it can be professional.

Ok, but why can't Canon engineers put a new yellow button on the 6D2 "stop raining NOW"? Why do they insist crippling the firmware?

 

[NorbR]

Of course, that's going to eat up batteries, so you'll need extras...and when will you charge them, especially if the room power goes off when you take your keycard out of the slot by the door....

Ah, but what if the room has two keycard slots ... ?