Eldar said:
Eldar, if you like your single malts then may I humbly suggest the 16-year old Bushmills. I think it is good enough to rival the Lagavulin Distillers Edition. Sante!
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More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]
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Eldar, if you like your single malts then may I humbly suggest the 16-year old Bushmills. I think it is good enough to rival the Lagavulin Distillers Edition. Sante!
Even the 6D looks huge next to my beloved Mamiya-Sekor DTL 1000 circa 1969 (135 film SLR). I have to say that I like the grip on the 6D, it fits my hand better than the M-S, and I wear a size 6 glove. Dinky doesn't do it for me, though I love light weight.
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8D ??Matthew Saville said:
If one Canon FF could be at 1000-1400$ max at the release date, thats could be a great news for customers
... but a 8D is not a rumors, just a dream for now
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Bernard said:
The Nikon entry level full frame, the D610 has them. Their crop camera comparable to the 70D, the D7200 has them. For the price they're likely to ask, the 6D II should have them as well.
Why not add a level of convenience to an item that is sure to be used by enthusiasts and pros alike?
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The cost and size associated with adding a 2nd SD slot seems to come up quite often. The best I can say is that Nikon offers this at a very low price point and in small body cameras. D7200 is a good example. On FF, the D610 and D750. Both of which are less expensive than the 5D3 is now, even at the blow-out gray market pricing of the 5D3. And the Nikons are sold by authorized retailers too. But the 5D3 isn't going to be around forever. Once the replacement is announced, production will cease and quantities will shrink. Then it will be back to $3,000 or more on the Canon system to get a few specific features that Nikon offers for $1,500 on FF.
100% Agreed.
People in this forum act like we're asking to borrow Canon's sister when we ask for a 2nd SD slot on the 6D2.
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neuroanatomist said:
Correction, instead of "asking" should be "expecting" ...I don't ask anything of Canon.
But I'm still not sure why you think this is some costly or unreasonable expectation? No one expects Canon to package a flagship camera for an entry level price. Your argument is unreasonable. You suggest that is what I expect. Maybe delusional people expect that, but they can go on living in their fantasy world. In my world, the real world, I look at what competitors are doing and I see Canon's biggest competitor offering it up no problem.
So the question then becomes, based on the angle you've taken - what IS and ISN'T a high end feature? Apparently, dual card slots by your implied reasoning is. According to Canon's practices, it seems so.
Nikon does it easily for under $2K, and they are also providing better metering and AF system too! Precisely what you mock. But forget the better AF that ALL Nikons have over the 6D. Stick to the card slots.
It is silly Canon treats this as a high end feature and users cite costs. But we all know that isn't the truth. Has nothing to do with price, and has everything to do with functionality and selectively crippling camera to provide negative incentive to Canon system owners potentially thinking of doing anything commercial for the up-sell to the 5D line. All for a feature that is cheap and easy to implement (see Nikon).
I'll repeat it a million times. Canon is rumored to release a $2,200+ MSRP FF camera in 2016, with one lousy SD slot. How is this not perceived as being petty on Canon's part? Let the bold line sink in for a minute. FF in 2016 at over $2,000 dollars and a stinking 2nd card slot is viewed as an upscale feature. wowzers.
Perhaps we'll use an automotive analogy to help people understand. Things like standard features. Then there are upgrades or premium/luxury features. Goes by price. Don't expect leather seating and premium audio and navigation in an econobox. That's reasonable. Nor a high performance V-8 engine in a budget car. However, cars of certain prices all have competitive features as a standard for their CLASS. It would be like driving a new Lexus off the lot with a missing radio/CD player to save a few dollars.
The 6D and rumored 6D2 might not be a flagship or high end model, but it's a higher class of camera in the spectrum of DSLR and at its price point, the dual slot ought to be a 'standard feature' ....
Who can honestly argue with a straight face that Canon is doing everyone a big favor by saving us, the consumers, a few dollars by omitting it on a $2,200+ camera. OH GEE THANKS CANON for looking out for our wallets.... :
Even on the price savings argument, even if that could be taken seriously - that is yet another negative for Canon. Those citing cost to implement aren't saying anything good about Canon. Because, if Canon has to further increase the price of an already $2,000+ camera for an extra SD card slot - what does this say about Canon? That is awful if you really think about it.
What is next? No strap will come with it, or battery sold separately to keep MSRP down?
The hard core Canon apologists in here would gain a little bit of credibility if they would or could show an occasional balanced perspective by offering up or recognizing legitimate criticisms of Canon. Nope, not here. It is nothing but non-stop total defense and apologist tactics for Canon. This is fanaticism.
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K said:
You could say the same thing about pop up flash. Canon don't think you need that either. Personally I agree.
I don't see the big deal; if Nikon provide precisely what someone wants above all others, why not purchase Nikon ? It's never been easier to change systems as it is now. Canon gear still realises top dollar on e bay, as does Nikon. Just sell up. If I wasn't happy that's what I would do - and have in fact - when I wasn't happy with Nikon not providing (and officially stating that they would never provide) a FF camera.
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Celebrating 20 years of model photography!
NancyP said:
Hey, that was my first SLR! (Almost wrote DSLR)
Brings back old memories... a pentax screw mount if I recall correctly.
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K said:
Ask, expect, potayto, potaahto. No still means no.
K said:
You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :
K said:Who can honestly argue with a straight face that Canon is doing everyone a big favor by saving us, the consumers, a few dollars by omitting it on a $2,200+ camera. OH GEE THANKS CANON for looking out for our wallets.... :
No one is.
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Just curious. Question to K - and actually to all the others who continually hammer Canon on specific wants. (Not to say the wants aren't legitimate. Logically 2 card slots are a safer alternative than 1).
How many times have you emailed, called, or written Canon and expressed your opinions? Or do you just complain on the forum(s)?
Just wondering.
How many times have you emailed, called, or written Canon and expressed your opinions? Or do you just complain on the forum(s)?
Just wondering.
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Sporgon said:
I very much prefer the Canon system overall. And this isn't about "if you don't like it, leave" ...this is about Canon offering an important and reasonable feature in a $2,000+ camera.
But to your point, if I could only have one FF DSLR and $2,000 or less to spend. It certainly would not be any single-slot 6D or 6D2. I'd move to Nikon. But I run a 5D3 for all the important stuff and it isn't an issue to me personally or directly. I'm not made of money, but I was able to get these bodies. Most of the folks I know, work with, associate with or talk to at times cannot afford a 5D3. Most, not all. Yet they all would definitely like and value a 2nd slot to protect their data.
The 7D2 is a really good option for that. It is priced very well too. In the other thread comparing the 6D to 7D2 - I made a very good case for the 7D2. It is a better overall camera for pro use. But....it is crop. Apples to Oranges. Recommending that would be changing the subject. Again, at $2,000 or more, it is a little shameful Canon would omit a 2nd slot.
Just because I personally aren't effected by it, doesn't mean I don't see the value in it for others. Canon really should open up the possibility that a cheaper FF body could be used for commercial use, and not fear that it will somehow kill the sales of their precious 5D line.
Canon will NOT lose 5D sales to a 2-slot equipped 6D2 because those people were NOT going to buy the 5D anyway because it is too much money for them. An extra $1,000+ premium is a lot. At ;east keep them in the Canon system.
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You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :
Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.
Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.
Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.
This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.
But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.
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K said:You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :
Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.
Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.
Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.
This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.
But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.
Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?
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The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.CanonFanBoy said:K said:You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :
Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.
Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.
Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.
This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.
But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.
Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?
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StudentOfLight said:The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.CanonFanBoy said:K said:You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :
Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.
Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.
Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.
This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.
But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.
Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?
K said:
It is not "crippled". Just does not have those features. Evil Canon is trying to upsell you to...??? Wait, there is no upsell. Thanks for helping with the point. ;D Hmmm... maybe the "downsell" is the game. ;D But, but, but...Is the 1Dx a general purpose camera? I've never thought of it as being so. I've never seen it touted by Canon as being "general purpose" either. Of course, without a headphone jack or silent shutter, how could the 1Dx possibly be considered a "professional" camera? (sarcasm)
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The upsell from a 1D-X is the 1D-C. (Which includes the headphone jack and 4K)CanonFanBoy said:StudentOfLight said:The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.CanonFanBoy said:K said:You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :
Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.
Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.
Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.
This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.
But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.
Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?
K said:
It is not "crippled". Just does not have those features. Evil Canon is trying to upsell you to...??? Wait, there is no upsell. Thanks for helping with the point. ;D Hmmm... maybe the "downsell" is the game. ;D But, but, but...Is the 1Dx a general purpose camera? I've never thought of it as being so. I've never seen it touted by Canon as being "general purpose" either. Of course, without a headphone jack or silent shutter, how could the 1Dx possibly be considered a "professional" camera? (sarcasm)
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