More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Ozarker]

You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :

Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.

Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.

Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.

This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.


But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.

Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?

If you are a paid event photographer, I would go for the 7D2 for the following reasons -

1. Dual card slot data integrity. It isn't a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN a card will fail. You can't reshoot an event. Many data recoveries succeed, but NOT ALL. Of those that succeed, rarely are 100% of the photos recovered. After all, the whole reason a failure took place is because data on the card became corrupted. In this day and age of social networking - reputations can be ruined quickly and hard earned referrals lost. Ignore all the morons who will say this isn't that important. If that was true, the 5D and 1D series would have one slot, but they don't. You owe it to yourself, your business and the customer to protect the images. The 7D2 does that at a very reasonable price point. It is almost unethical not to.

The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.

It is not "crippled". Just does not have those features. Evil Canon is trying to upsell you to...??? Wait, there is no upsell. Thanks for helping with the point. ;D Hmmm... maybe the "downsell" is the game. ;D But, but, but...Is the 1Dx a general purpose camera? I've never thought of it as being so. I've never seen it touted by Canon as being "general purpose" either. Of course, without a headphone jack or silent shutter, how could the 1Dx possibly be considered a "professional" camera? (sarcasm)

The upsell from a 1D-X is the 1D-C. (Which includes the headphone jack and 4K)

You are right, I'd forgotten that 4k was available on DSLRs in April 2012 when the 1Dx was released. That is certainly what photo journalists and sports shooters were looking for when they bought their "crippled" general purpose 1Dx cameras. Then again, the 1Dc isn't a "general purpose" camera either, is it? No.

 

[StudentOfLight]

You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :

Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.

Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.

Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.

This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.


But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.

Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?

If you are a paid event photographer, I would go for the 7D2 for the following reasons -

1. Dual card slot data integrity. It isn't a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN a card will fail. You can't reshoot an event. Many data recoveries succeed, but NOT ALL. Of those that succeed, rarely are 100% of the photos recovered. After all, the whole reason a failure took place is because data on the card became corrupted. In this day and age of social networking - reputations can be ruined quickly and hard earned referrals lost. Ignore all the morons who will say this isn't that important. If that was true, the 5D and 1D series would have one slot, but they don't. You owe it to yourself, your business and the customer to protect the images. The 7D2 does that at a very reasonable price point. It is almost unethical not to.

The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.

It is not "crippled". Just does not have those features. Evil Canon is trying to upsell you to...??? Wait, there is no upsell. Thanks for helping with the point. ;D Hmmm... maybe the "downsell" is the game. ;D But, but, but...Is the 1Dx a general purpose camera? I've never thought of it as being so. I've never seen it touted by Canon as being "general purpose" either. Of course, without a headphone jack or silent shutter, how could the 1Dx possibly be considered a "professional" camera? (sarcasm)

The upsell from a 1D-X is the 1D-C. (Which includes the headphone jack and 4K)

You are right, I'd forgotten that 4k was available on DSLRs in April 2012 when the 1Dx was released. That is certainly what photo journalists and sports shooters were looking for when they bought their "crippled" general purpose 1Dx cameras. Then again, the 1Dc isn't a "general purpose" camera either, is it? No.

As a freelancer I want general purpose cameras, and good crossover between body functions and capabilities is essential for me. Since I need the aforementioned, the 1D-X is not a camera for me.

 

[jeffa4444]

As someone who uses his 6D almost daily their is very little I would change. The current 20.2MP sensor exhibits banding in certain lighting situations like very grey skies or fog, a sensor without banding is No. 1 on my list.
I don't need removable focusing screens so would prefer fixed system less dust issues then.
The annoying feature on the 6D is forgetting to turn-off GPS after use and with the cameras powered down the GPS still sucks juice from the battery a fix for this would be welcome.
Finally more cross type AF points please one in the centre doesn't cut it.

 

[Ozarker]

You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :

Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.

Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.

Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.

This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.


But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.

Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?

If you are a paid event photographer, I would go for the 7D2 for the following reasons -

1. Dual card slot data integrity. It isn't a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN a card will fail. You can't reshoot an event. Many data recoveries succeed, but NOT ALL. Of those that succeed, rarely are 100% of the photos recovered. After all, the whole reason a failure took place is because data on the card became corrupted. In this day and age of social networking - reputations can be ruined quickly and hard earned referrals lost. Ignore all the morons who will say this isn't that important. If that was true, the 5D and 1D series would have one slot, but they don't. You owe it to yourself, your business and the customer to protect the images. The 7D2 does that at a very reasonable price point. It is almost unethical not to.

The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.

It is not "crippled". Just does not have those features. Evil Canon is trying to upsell you to...??? Wait, there is no upsell. Thanks for helping with the point. ;D Hmmm... maybe the "downsell" is the game. ;D But, but, but...Is the 1Dx a general purpose camera? I've never thought of it as being so. I've never seen it touted by Canon as being "general purpose" either. Of course, without a headphone jack or silent shutter, how could the 1Dx possibly be considered a "professional" camera? (sarcasm)

The upsell from a 1D-X is the 1D-C. (Which includes the headphone jack and 4K)

You are right, I'd forgotten that 4k was available on DSLRs in April 2012 when the 1Dx was released. That is certainly what photo journalists and sports shooters were looking for when they bought their "crippled" general purpose 1Dx cameras. Then again, the 1Dc isn't a "general purpose" camera either, is it? No.

As a freelancer I want general purpose cameras, and good crossover between body functions and capabilities is essential for me. Since I need the aforementioned, the 1D-X is not a camera for me.

Of course it isn't the camera you want or need. You said that, but it isn't "crippled " either. There certainly isn't some conspiracy by Canon to purposefully leave out a feature so that they can upsell you for the purpose of ripping you off. BUT even if Canon does leave features off of one camera and include such features on another... so what. Sometimes tech actually trickles up. Take, for instance, the 70D's dual pixel AF. The 1Dx doesn't have that either. It can't mount an EFS STM lens either (available first in EFS not EF). Is the 70D "crippled" because it does not shoot at 12 fps? I think not. Is the 1Dx crippled because it does not have dual pixel AF? Nope. Two different camera models with two very different purposes and two different markets. Neither is "crippled".
Do videographers want to use auto focus on EF lenses AND record onboard so that they can get all that AF noise from the lens in their recording? I don't think so. Doesn't a hot shoe mounted tascam for lapel mics or other device offer the headphone jack? Yup.

I understand wanting every feature in every camera at the price one wants because, "I want it! I want it! I want it!" and "They should do it because I want it!". The fact is, it will never happen. There will always be equipment releases made just months before some new tech is perfected for market. Some around here claim it is a vast conspiracy. Others know it is just the nature of ever expanding technology and R&D.

The 1Dx isn't for you? I don't care. The fact remains, it is not "crippled".

 

[theunreal]

Nice to hear. I hope they will keep this camera reputation as an affordable good camera for low light. I was sure they are going to improve the AF system but as I saw many complaints for more sd card slots, I thought they will add another one.

 

[Sporgon]

Nice to hear. I hope they will keep this camera reputation as an affordable good camera for low light. I was sure they are going to improve the AF system but as I saw many complaints for more sd card slots, I thought they will add another one.

If the Dual Card brigade moaning on CR do in fact represent the majority, and Canon MR is in tune, then you can guarantee they will fit it with two card slots because everyone who already has a 6D will upgrade to the new one, and all those people who haven't yet bought the 6D because of it's crippling single card will buy the mark II. So Canon will sell them like hot cakes.

On the other hand it just could be possible that the Dual Card brigade here on CR do not, in fact, represent what most people want.............

 

[jeffa4444]

Personally never worried about the single SD card slot. Ive been fortunate and never had an SD card failure on a Canon (I have had it happen on an Olympus Pen equally single slot) and always carry extra cards.

Like stated elsewhere film cameras never had back-up rolls yet we managed then and with largest capacity up to 512GB on a Sandisk card were not likely to need to take cards in and out of the camera often.

 

[Zv]

Personally never worried about the single SD card slot. Ive been fortunate and never had an SD card failure on a Canon (I have had it happen on an Olympus Pen equally single slot) and always carry extra cards.

Like stated elsewhere film cameras never had back-up rolls yet we managed then and with largest capacity up to 512GB on a Sandisk card were not likely to need to take cards in and out of the camera often.

We also managed just fine "back in the day" with the 5D Mark II and 7D which were both high end pro use camera bodies.

But still we are not satisfied until we get our dual slots in every single camera!! Even the M! Heck why not the Powershot too!

In fact two is so amateur! It's all about the three nowadays!

 

[Sabaki]

Each day that passes, I'm settling on getting a 6Dii

I want it to be my landscape, lowlight and events camera.

I understand the AF system won't be the latest and greatest but I'd like it to be competent enough to shoot stage shows with some dancing.

A feature I'd love to be included, is a hypofocal length indicator. It'd be cool for landscapes

 

[NancyP]

Current 6D is good. I use manual focus lenses on it, and I have replaced the stock screen with the Eg-S superfine screen, makes things so much nicer. I would be disappointed if they made everyone use the stock screen. I don't care about dual slots, I don't shoot events for pay. I haven't had a card fail, but then again, I bought a few decent brand cards from reputable brick-and-mortar retailers like B and H or the local store (not Chinese Internet sellers, possibly intentionally or unintentionally fraudulent), maybe I have 4 16 G for the SLRs and another 4 4 G for the compacts over the years - not a robust sample number. I don't see myself getting the 6D2 unless there is a major sensor change.

 

[StudentOfLight]

You can repeat it a gazillions times, it's still the same old saw. I don't see you decrying Sony for providing one lousy stinking card slot on the $3200 MSRP FF a7RII. Wowzers. :

Interesting you bring that up. I have no reason to bring Sony into the discussion or even my line of thinking as they are not a serious camera system. Sony is outrageously overpriced amateur toys.

Simply put, Sony builds sensors then thinks about the camera to put around it. Canon builds cameras, and works on developing sensors as a part of creating the camera. Perspective, but it does matter.

Sony cameras are showcases for a sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in a real camera system and the results are impressive. Canon is technically lagging on some aspects of sensor design, but the total package makes for a superior system than the combo of Nikon who knows how to build cameras, and Sony who has fancy sensors. That says a lot for Canon.

This statement is my opinion, and it will probably anger a lot of people.


But all that doesn't change that Canon is rumored to put out a FF camera in 2016 with a single SD slot for over $2,000. There may be bigger ripoffs out there (Sony), but that doesn't excuse Canon on this.

Seems you are having trouble letting things go, like you hang on a little too hard. This ought to help loosen your grip a little. Then you'll have somewhere to put that extra card you are worried about. Especially since you have absolutely no idea what that second card slot would cost Canon (or the rest of us). Or whether or not it will even fit in light of the fact that the 6D has wifi and GPS... features the Professional Model 1Dx you say they are trying to upsell does not have. Is the 1Dx "crippled" too?

If you are a paid event photographer, I would go for the 7D2 for the following reasons -

1. Dual card slot data integrity. It isn't a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN a card will fail. You can't reshoot an event. Many data recoveries succeed, but NOT ALL. Of those that succeed, rarely are 100% of the photos recovered. After all, the whole reason a failure took place is because data on the card became corrupted. In this day and age of social networking - reputations can be ruined quickly and hard earned referrals lost. Ignore all the morons who will say this isn't that important. If that was true, the 5D and 1D series would have one slot, but they don't. You owe it to yourself, your business and the customer to protect the images. The 7D2 does that at a very reasonable price point. It is almost unethical not to.

The 1D-X is crippled. It doesn't have a headphone jack. It also lacks a silent shutter mode, which would be useful for wildlife and event shooting. So as a general purpose camera, the current 1D-X is not the body for me.

It is not "crippled". Just does not have those features. Evil Canon is trying to upsell you to...??? Wait, there is no upsell. Thanks for helping with the point. ;D Hmmm... maybe the "downsell" is the game. ;D But, but, but...Is the 1Dx a general purpose camera? I've never thought of it as being so. I've never seen it touted by Canon as being "general purpose" either. Of course, without a headphone jack or silent shutter, how could the 1Dx possibly be considered a "professional" camera? (sarcasm)

The upsell from a 1D-X is the 1D-C. (Which includes the headphone jack and 4K)

You are right, I'd forgotten that 4k was available on DSLRs in April 2012 when the 1Dx was released. That is certainly what photo journalists and sports shooters were looking for when they bought their "crippled" general purpose 1Dx cameras. Then again, the 1Dc isn't a "general purpose" camera either, is it? No.

As a freelancer I want general purpose cameras, and good crossover between body functions and capabilities is essential for me. Since I need the aforementioned, the 1D-X is not a camera for me.

Of course it isn't the camera you want or need. You said that, but it isn't "crippled " either. There certainly isn't some conspiracy by Canon to purposefully leave out a feature so that they can upsell you for the purpose of ripping you off. BUT even if Canon does leave features off of one camera and include such features on another... so what. Sometimes tech actually trickles up. Take, for instance, the 70D's dual pixel AF. The 1Dx doesn't have that either. It can't mount an EFS STM lens either (available first in EFS not EF). Is the 70D "crippled" because it does not shoot at 12 fps? I think not. Is the 1Dx crippled because it does not have dual pixel AF? Nope. Two different camera models with two very different purposes and two different markets. Neither is "crippled".
Do videographers want to use auto focus on EF lenses AND record onboard so that they can get all that AF noise from the lens in their recording? I don't think so. Doesn't a hot shoe mounted tascam for lapel mics or other device offer the headphone jack? Yup.

I understand wanting every feature in every camera at the price one wants because, "I want it! I want it! I want it!" and "They should do it because I want it!". The fact is, it will never happen. There will always be equipment releases made just months before some new tech is perfected for market. Some around here claim it is a vast conspiracy. Others know it is just the nature of ever expanding technology and R&D.

The 1Dx isn't for you? I don't care. The fact remains, it is not "crippled".

Since you don't believe that a camera can be "crippled" obviously your logical conclusion is that your favourite camera is not crippled.

IMHO a "crippling" is not only for up-selling but also to force cross-selling. Take the TC80-N3 for example. For years that has been sold separately when Nikon bodies have timer control functions programmed into the camera. The magic lantern guys also implemented it in various non-1D bodies, so a timer control via software is obviously possible on the Canon system. Built-in TC is only now being sold in the 7D-II and 5Ds cameras but omitting that function in the 1D-X was intended to force a cross-sell of a mostly unnecessary accessory (Crippling for cross-sell not upsell to a more expensive body).

Say for example you are doing a 3x camera timelapse project. With the Canon system you would need to fork out extra to buy three timer controls whereas with Nikon you could just shoot with your three cameras.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Current 6D is good. I use manual focus lenses on it, and I have replaced the stock screen with the Eg-S superfine screen, makes things so much nicer. I would be disappointed if they made everyone use the stock screen. I don't care about dual slots, I don't shoot events for pay. I haven't had a card fail, but then again, I bought a few decent brand cards from reputable brick-and-mortar retailers like B and H or the local store (not Chinese Internet sellers, possibly intentionally or unintentionally fraudulent), maybe I have 4 16 G for the SLRs and another 4 4 G for the compacts over the years - not a robust sample number. I don't see myself getting the 6D2 unless there is a major sensor change.

I was a bit disappointed that Canon didn't already implement on-sensor ADC technology in the 5Ds (~R) sensor, if the 6D-II doesn't offer the benefits of that technology then I'm in the same boat as many others who will persist with what we have or perhaps dabble with the ever-improving mirrorless options out there.

 

[Loswr]

IMHO a "crippling" is not only for up-selling but also to force cross-selling. Take the TC80-N3 for example. For years that has been sold separately when Nikon bodies have timer control functions programmed into the camera. The magic lantern guys also implemented it in various non-1D bodies, so a timer control via software is obviously possible on the Canon system. Built-in TC is only now being sold in the 7D-II and 5Ds cameras but omitting that function in the 1D-X was intended to force a cross-sell of a mostly unnecessary accessory (Crippling for cross-sell not upsell to a more expensive body).

Unlikely. The 7DII/5Ds are three years newer. Historically, once Canon incorporates a feature like this it will be offered in all 'similar' future bodies (i.e. all xD cameras in this case).

 

[Ozarker]

Say for example you are doing a 3x camera timelapse project. With the Canon system you would need to fork out extra to buy three timer controls whereas with Nikon you could just shoot with your three cameras.

Nothing you say means that the camera is "crippled" You KNOW what the features are before you buy the camera. The features you need are not available on one model or brand? Then go to another model or brand.

It makes no difference what the people at Magic Lantern do when hacking cameras. So what? Canon decided it made sense to sell the feature in the form of hardware rather than software. You seem to think this is underhanded or dishonest. It isn't.

If a photographer is contracted to do a 3 camera time lapse project and is stupid enough to not figure into the bid the extra equipment he may have to get to do the job, then he deserves the lumps he gets. Nobody forces a person to take the upsell, downsell, or cross sell. Nobody. If a person does not like the choices then he should not make them.

Frankly, all this sounds like armchair quarterbacking. "Canon sucks." "Canon makes crippled cameras." Blah, blah, blah. "If only they would do this or that." "The other company does it and it pisses me off that Canon doesn't."

The fact is that Canon makes very good products and so does the competition. No company is going to please everybody.

However, there is a real solution to the problem: Take your brain and design and build the perfect camera for the masses at the price they all want to get it for. Design just one model that does what everyone wants it to do in every conceivable situation and every possible job. You could call it "Super Cam!"

The fact is you wont because you don't have the mental ability to do it. I don't either. But it doesn't take much mental prowess to armchair quarterback the decisions made by those who do have the ability and must also turn a profit while doing it.

The only thing that causes a product to be "crippled" is the person who drops it and causes it to break and not function as designed or advertised. I've a sneaking suspicion there are people on the Nikon, Sony, Fuji, etc. forums that complain all the time about the brands they chose to buy into also.

Sometimes it seems this forum is just for crying and moaning and complaining. All the chronic complainers ought to thank their lucky stars that there are people of ability out there designing and producing the technological marvels we use each day and take for granted. Why? Because they will never produce anything themselves. They cannot. Their field of expertise won't permit it. Professional complainers can only produce, well, complaints. And that is a miserable way to live life. It can, in fact, be quite crippling.

 

[StudentOfLight]

The fact is you wont because you don't have the mental ability to do it.

I assume you and I both live in the free world so you are entitled to your opinions just as I am to mine, however the above is an insult directed at me.

Designing, manufacturing, marketing and sales is not a purely mental process. It takes financial and human resources as well. If I had unlimited resources I would design and manufacture and market "the perfect camera" as I see fit. However, I (like most other people) live in a world with limited time and resources and so have to rely on service providers and manufacturers to provide the items I want and/or need.

I'm not a Sony or Nikon user. I have been a Canon user for a number of years now with range of bodies and lenses. I love the ergonomics but feel that there are some areas of the body designs and features that need attention. Is this not a fair assessment of the situation?

Whether you label that as
a) "Crippled" or
b) "Must try harder next time" or
c) "Perfectly good for my personal needs" or
d) "Annoyingly is missing X thing that would make my life easier" or
e) Other

is really up to the individual.

There is no need to insult people just admit that you have a difference of opinion.

 

[Zv]

The term "crippled" is relative. It implies a disadvantage or inability to function normally in a natural environment.

For example - I can't swim, luckily I don't live in the sea, but does that mean I'm crippled in some way since I lack that ability?

Same thing for a camera - It doesn't have X feature but still has the ability to carry out it's primary function in it's designated environment. Does my 6D work under water? Nope. Is it crippled? No. The fact that it only has one card slot does not cripple the camera relative to what it is designed to do - take pictures. Now, if it came with half a sensor then you could say it was crippled.

 

[StudentOfLight]

The term "crippled" is relative. It implies a disadvantage or inability to function normally in a natural environment.

For example - I can't swim, luckily I don't live in the sea, but does that mean I'm crippled in some way since I lack that ability?

Same thing for a camera - It doesn't have X feature but still has the ability to carry out it's primary function in it's designated environment. Does my 6D work under water? Nope. Is it crippled? No. The fact that it only has one card slot does not cripple the camera relative to what it is designed to do - take pictures. Now, if it came with half a sensor then you could say it was crippled.

Normal is a comparative, based on what is common among others.

How you define primary function is another matter as well. I would argue that no one buys a DSLR for it's primary function. Your mobile phone can perform the primary function of recording an image. You buy a DSLR for secondary and tertiary functions and features, in order to reliably increase your chances of successfully capturing a desired moment and with increased quality. You don't buy it for the primary function.

 

[ksgal]

How you define primary function is another matter as well. I would argue that no one buys a DSLR for it's primary function. Your mobile phone can perform the primary function of recording an image. You buy a DSLR for secondary and tertiary functions and features, in order to reliably increase your chances of successfully capturing a desired moment and with increased quality. You don't buy it for the primary function.

I'm looking at the above and wishing I could hold my hand down here.

No, I bought my PHONE to be a bleeping PHONE - not to do its secondary crappola function of being a camera. If I could have a better phone at the loss of the camera I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I bought my CAMERA to be a CAMERA - not because it could be a phone, or a TV or anything else.

As much as I spend on dslr gear, I sure to Heck hope that I bought it for it's primary function.

And I apologies for arguing over splitting hairs, and please proceed with the noodle beating!

 

[StudentOfLight]

How you define primary function is another matter as well. I would argue that no one buys a DSLR for it's primary function. Your mobile phone can perform the primary function of recording an image. You buy a DSLR for secondary and tertiary functions and features, in order to reliably increase your chances of successfully capturing a desired moment and with increased quality. You don't buy it for the primary function.

I'm looking at the above and wishing I could hold my hand down here.

No, I bought my PHONE to be a bleeping PHONE - not to do its secondary crappola function of being a camera. If I could have a better phone at the loss of the camera I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I bought my CAMERA to be a CAMERA - not because it could be a phone, or a TV or anything else.

As much as I spend on dslr gear, I sure to Heck hope that I bought it for it's primary function.

And I apologies for arguing over splitting hairs, and please proceed with the noodle beating!

To glue hairs back together again...

I didn't say that a mobile phone's primary function is taking pictures. I said that they too can perform a camera's primary function, which is to capture an image. Taking pictures could be a secondary or tertiary etc... function of a mobile phone, but the fact remains that smart phones can perform that function regardless of level of quality they are able achieve.

 

[Zv]

The term "crippled" is relative. It implies a disadvantage or inability to function normally in a natural environment.

For example - I can't swim, luckily I don't live in the sea, but does that mean I'm crippled in some way since I lack that ability?

Same thing for a camera - It doesn't have X feature but still has the ability to carry out it's primary function in it's designated environment. Does my 6D work under water? Nope. Is it crippled? No. The fact that it only has one card slot does not cripple the camera relative to what it is designed to do - take pictures. Now, if it came with half a sensor then you could say it was crippled.

Normal is a comparative, based on what is common among others.

How you define primary function is another matter as well. I would argue that no one buys a DSLR for it's primary function. Your mobile phone can perform the primary function of recording an image. You buy a DSLR for secondary and tertiary functions and features, in order to reliably increase your chances of successfully capturing a desired moment and with increased quality. You don't buy it for the primary function.

What?

Then what do we buy them for? To use as office paperweights?