More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]

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We received some interesting information about Canon’s full frame mirrorless project, or should we say projects?</p>
<p>We’re told that there are three active full frame mirrorless cameras currently in different stages of development and that we should be seeing at least one come to fruition before the end of 2018. Photokina in September of 2018 would make the most sense for at least one of the following cameras.</p>
<p>The first project is a full frame mirrorless camera with a native EF mount. This is something we have said has to happen for Canon to enter the world of full frame mirrorless cameras. They cannot abandon the hundred million+ EF lenses out there.</p>

<p>The second project, and this is the first we’ve heard of it, is a smaller full frame mirrorless camera with a new mount. We weren’t told if it’s a modified EF-M mount or something else. I don’t think this is too far fetched, as Canon hasn’t seemed all that interested in developing a wide range of EF-M lenses for APS-C mirrorless cameras.</p>
<p>The third project is a fixed lens full frame camera that is in very early stages of development and won’t be coming in 2018, if at all.</p>
<p>All of this is believable and that’s why we’re posting it. For the moment, please remember this is a [CR1] post and to treat it accordingly.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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Its very believable to me, Canon is wanting to get a enthusiast level mirrorless camera right the first time. As far as a fixed FF, I'd speculate that a curved sensor might also be on trial, it would certainly allow for size and weight reduction.

I'd vote for a EF lens mount with my pocketbook.
 
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WeekendWarrior said:
Canon just running behind as usual.
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I don't mind. I rather Canon get it right for professional use than having their user be guinea pigs on paid assignments.

The first two options intrigue me: native EF lens, and new mount. If the new mount have adapter with good EF compatibility I don't mind. When the Sony A7III and new Canon mirrorless camera release next year, consumers will have alot of choices on FF mirrorless.
 
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As much as it would be nice to see canon releasing something this year, it's good to know another full frame option is coming within a year. I don't really care if it's a mirrorless or whatever , just as long as it'll fit somewhere nicely between a 6d2 and a 5d4. And please don't hold back on giving us the best sensor you can create . I remember reading the 6d2 was getting its own dedicated sensor and how excited I was only to find out later it was no better than the original.
 
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Feels like one of us wrote this rumor. ::)

All three of these things were predicted by the forum to some extent. I've been beating the 'don't be surprised if the first go in FF mirrorless is a fixed lens rig' drums, while the 'they might build both mounts' approach is the easiest way to appease everyone while not having people freak out with what doesn't get launched on day one.

(The above paragraph is not a victory lap by any stretch, as this proposed rumor feels like Canon testing all waters and trying to please everyone -- something they never do right out of the gate. So again, see the first line of my post, and understand that I am taking this rumor very lightly.)

But can we please stop equating 'mirrorless with a (full) native EF mount' to being the only way to not 'abandon the hundred million+ EF lenses' out there? A well made adaptor doesn't leave 100 million lenses behind.

There are drawbacks to adaptors, certainly -- questions of robustness, what happens when you accidentally leave it at home, etc. -- but it's not like a skinny mount + Canon made EF adaptor will ruin AF performance or lens IQ. It would be (effectively) a modular EF mount, not some 3rd party metabones nonsense.

- A
 
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jolyonralph said:
Well, if it's EF mount and DSLR sized it better be pretty damn impressive in other ways if they have any chance of selling.
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This sounds impressive to me:

  • Mirror slap = RIP
  • Comfortably enjoy mirrorless with high-end pro glass -- with a lovely chunky grip.
  • Handles identically to the 5D4 or 6D2 on your other shoulder.
  • Has a comically wide AF point spread since you can poll the majority of the sensor
  • Amplifies light in dark rooms, which pairs well with MF tools for instances when the light is too low to AF
  • Breathes new life into Zeiss or (dubiously AF'd) Sigma Art lenses -- gives Canonites an on-demand manual focusing screen for under $6k

Trust me, that will sell just fine, just not to mirrorless enthusiast spec-sheet adoring fanboys. It will sell well to current Canon photographers.

- A
 
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Might explain why the 6d mkii seemed like a mediocre release. Resources might have been pulled elsewhere.

Before I get jumped on, its not that bad, but a bit dated/underwhelming from what I keep seeing in comments and reviews. Just not enough to get me to jump from my 80d.. .still want full frame though!
 
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Canon Rumors said:
I'd never buy a Canon FF mirrorless that requires an adaptor for EF lenses.
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Sure, and that's a fair opinion, but that is not remotely what you said in the opening.

Implying that an adaptor is the equivalent of leaving EF behind is (IMHO) irresponsible without substantiation. It could be a pain, sure, but EF will still work!

- A
 
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I have been wondering about a fixed lens mirrorless since the RX1R II came out. If you want the smallest, lightest full frame option, this could be it, especially if the sensor has enough mp's so you can zoom by cropping, as well as by zooming with your feet. You give up being able to change lenses, but if you put a lens on it that is significantly different than a 35mm prime (for example) you start picking up weight and size. A fixed lens design may have some advantages in terms of lighter weight and greater strength. The older fixed frame cameras had leaf shutters integrated into the lens, rather than the focal plane shutters in interchangeable lens cameras, but I don't know whether that is a consideration anymore.

A small light fixed lens mirrorless certainly wouldn't be a swiss army knife, but it might a handy little tool that would complement a bigger, more flexible DSLR setup. On the other hand, I am not willing to pay Sony RX1R II or Leica Q prices for a small fixed lens lightweight, even if the lens comes with the price of the camera. Then again, you can always put a 40mm pancake on the lightest full frame Canon you can get your hands on.
 
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BillB said:
The older fixed frame cameras had leaf shutters integrated into the lens, rather than the focal plane shutters in interchangeable lens cameras, but I don't know whether that is a consideration anymore.
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I want to say a few of the RX1, RX1R, RX1R II and Leica Q designs indeed put leaf-shutters in those embedded fixed lens designs -- they enjoy a screamingly fast sync speed as a result, like 1/2000s or so.

Then there's the whole 'never need AFMA' as (presumably) that can completely be dialed in at the factory. ::)

Again, fixed lens won't set the world alight, but (a) it's awesome FF batting practice for Canon to dial in a future FF ILC platform, and (b) a way to offer a pricey / bougie $3k+ prestige item with high margins if Canon wants to.

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
Canon Rumors said:
I'd never buy a Canon FF mirrorless that requires an adaptor for EF lenses.
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Sure, and that's a fair opinion, but that is not remotely what you said in the opening.

Implying that an adaptor is the equivalent of leaving EF behind is (IMHO) irresponsible without substantiation. It could be a pain, sure, but EF will still work!

- A
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What about a lens mount comparable to the EF-S approach. Fully compatable with EF lenses without an adapter, but with a lockout feature, so that lenses could be designed to only fit into a mirrorless camera that allowed the lens to intrude further into the camera body?
 
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