New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

[Sella174]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55.

Theoretically, yes. But everybody likes zoom lenses, for various reasons.

 

[noncho]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

EF-S 24 would be near to 40 pancake FOV on FF. It's also near to EF-M 22/2, so I hope will be cheap, light and F2.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

Something like this would only make sense if it's f/2 or faster. 17-55 f/2.8 IS covers the range and has IS. Yes, it's more expensive, but it's focal length range is useful.

I disagree for form factor reasons. If it's a pancake lens, there's your value proposition. It might not be for you, but many folks would love to turn their APS-C rigs into inconspicuous + easier-to-bring-with-them-everywhere 35mm FF equivalent walkaround setups.

So I think that a fairly quick (say F/2) wider prime in a pancake format would be very well received I think.

- A

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what if it was a f/2.8 lens without IS like the EF 40? I see little value in that. A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55. Either that or pick up the M with the 22 f/2, which is still less inconspicuous than an APS-C body.

This gets to the specificity of shooters' needs:

If you want a tiny camera/lens size + an AF prime in the 24-50mm FF-equivalent focal length + APS-C sensor --> EOS-M + 22mm pancake (plus a lot of Fuji options)

But if you want all that with a proper optical viewfinder, you are out of luck. Some would say that's too picky a combination. Give up one of your requirements: you could opt for an MF lens on an adapter, a large 20mm or 24mm prime with an EF mount, or use the 40mm pancake with an effective FL of 64mm.

Others might get a P&S for that need.

And others would celebrate more pancakes from Canon. I imagine that I'm not the only one.

- A

 

[unfocused]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

If it's a 24mm equivalent (15mm) this would be interesting. But 24mm...no thanks.

 

[preppyak]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

I see little value in that. A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55. Either that or pick up the M with the 22 f/2, which is still less inconspicuous than an APS-C body.

This is why: http://camerasize.com/compact/#448.303,448.345,ha,t

For me, I do adventure sports, which either involves long treks, or being put into a small case in the back of my boat. That weight makes a very big difference over miles, and it effects how the camera handles. The EOS M can't AF, which makes it of limited use for multi-frame bursts. It's the same issue with basically all the mirrorless cameras; I need portability AND the ability to shoot action.

Moreover, if the new lens ends up being about the size of the 22 STM, I can own it and the 40mm pancake and still have $400+ and 1lb of weight saved. If it ends up being f/2 instead of f/2.8, then its even better off than the 17-55 (IS is of no use to me in action shooting)

 

[preppyak]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

And others would celebrate more pancakes from Canon. I imagine that I'm not the only one.

Bingo. I was against the 40mm when it was released...didnt think it made sense with the 50mm already out there. But I get it now.

A combo of pancakes or smaller EF-S lenses would be great. 24mm is fine, though like others I'd obviously also like a 15-16mm EF-S prime and a longer prime (something in the 60-85 range).

Cause to date, the best mirrorless cameras dont quite measure up to what I need. If Canon can beat them there, giving me a useable combo with a DSLR instead, I'd gladly stay with them as a lineup

 

[Sella174]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

OK, been thinking ... if Canon made this rascal weather-sealed ... oh, boy!

 

[ahsanford]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

OK, been thinking ... if Canon made this rascal weather-sealed ... oh, boy!

Is there a single EF-S weather-sealed lens? I don't believe there is...

Surely, they'd save the first weather-sealed EF-S lens for use with a sealed body like the 7D (or 7D2), so I'd think it would be saved for a super high quality EF-S zoom, like a 17-55 F/2.8 IS Mark II if they ever made one.

If pancakes are coming to EF-S, we should keep our feet on the ground. Don't expect IS, massive apertures, or weather-sealing. Small size has a cost.

Again, if pancakes are coming, I'll use Canon's last two pancakes as a read of things to come. They will be small and sharp. USM would be the most we could hope for, I think (and that would be awesome).

- A

 

[Sella174]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

Surely, they'd save the first weather-sealed EF-S lens for use with a sealed body like the 7D (or 7D2), so I'd think it would be saved for a super high quality EF-S zoom, like a 17-55 F/2.8 IS Mark II if they ever made one.

An EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS blah Mark II ... why isn't there a barf emoticon?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

Sometimes I get jealous of my friends who shoot with Nikon. One of them bought Nikon 35mm F1.8 DX lens, and that's great. : When I see the flash SB700 (medium model) also serving as master wireless, am ashamed of the 430 EXII not do the same. When I complain of the lack of APS-C primes (here in CR) tell me that I can buy Sigma 30mm F1.4, or Canon 28mm F2.8 IS. :-[ Seriously, Sigma costing $500 without image stabilizer, and Canon costing $550 for only F2.8? :-X APS-C allows a lens 24mm (or 22mm) F2 very compact and below $300. Come on, Canon! I'm waiting.

 

[Dantana]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

Sounds like a nifty little lens. I only wish it was EF and not EF-S, but I guess that's being selfish.

 

[Maximilian]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

We’re also told that a new USM motor will also be introduced some time this year, and it will be called “C-USM”, which stands for Compact Ultrasonic Motor. This technology is likely to first appear in a new 50mm lens.

No no no no no!!! It is a compact USM motor that made the last 50mm f1.4 a piece of unreliable garbage. Why would you do this again when you already have a reliable usm motor that is small enough to fit in the new 24, 28, 35 mm IS lenses?

sigh!
exactly my thought.

and my second thought was:
"C" stands not for "compact" but for "cheap" or "cheesy".
Maybe I'll be disabused and the thing will be better and faster than I believe now. :-\

 

[Sella174]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

... Nikon 35mm F1.8 DX lens ... When I complain of the lack of APS-C primes (here in CR) tell me that I can buy Sigma 30mm F1.4, or Canon 28mm F2.8 IS. :-[ Seriously, Sigma costing $500 without image stabilizer, and Canon costing $550 for only F2.8? :-X APS-C allows a lens 24mm (or 22mm) F2 very compact and below $300. Come on, Canon! I'm waiting.

And I'm seriously eyeballing a Fujifilm X-T1 with Fujinon XF 27mm F2.8 ... although in your case the Fujinon XF 23mm F1.4 R looks the ticket.

(I'm sorry, but on the other hand, I've been yapping for years that Canon needs to give us EF-S primes. Now when they finally appear to wake up, taking into account this is a CR1, they're behind the wave and playing catch-up to others.)

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

"This technology is likely to first appear in a new 50mm lens."

A long last a 50mm 1.4 that has decent AF and AF that doesn't break if you look at it the wrong way?

 

[Maximilian]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

... and AF that doesn't break if you look at it the wrong way?

LOL
if it'll be like that, then I might even consider to buy this "Cheap" or "Cheesy" USM.

 

[slclick]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

What's keeping Canon from producing a hybrid STM-USM?

 

[ahsanford]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

What's keeping Canon from producing a hybrid STM-USM?

No idea, but as a still shooter, STM is kind of the devil to me. If they ever offered such a lens, I trust it would have a switch to move between STM and USM.

That focus switch would be called "Still" or "Movie".

- A

 

[slclick]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

What's keeping Canon from producing a hybrid STM-USM?

No idea, but as a still shooter, STM is kind of the devil to me. If they ever offered such a lens, I trust it would have a switch to move between STM and USM.

That focus switch would be called "Still" or "Movie".

- A

I follow you, and I am in the stills, rarely to never use the video on my body camp.

 

[Random Orbits]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

I see little value in that. A person bringing both the 24 and 40 and possibly something else might be better served by the 17-55. Either that or pick up the M with the 22 f/2, which is still less inconspicuous than an APS-C body.

This is why: http://camerasize.com/compact/#448.303,448.345,ha,t

For me, I do adventure sports, which either involves long treks, or being put into a small case in the back of my boat. That weight makes a very big difference over miles, and it effects how the camera handles. The EOS M can't AF, which makes it of limited use for multi-frame bursts. It's the same issue with basically all the mirrorless cameras; I need portability AND the ability to shoot action.

Moreover, if the new lens ends up being about the size of the 22 STM, I can own it and the 40mm pancake and still have $400+ and 1lb of weight saved. If it ends up being f/2 instead of f/2.8, then its even better off than the 17-55 (IS is of no use to me in action shooting)

That's a great size comparison except if you need to bring other lenses for other focal lengths anyway...

I hope you're right about the new lens being the same size as aperture as the 22 f/2, but I'm guessing it'll closer to 28 f/2.8 in size rather than the 22 f/2.

 

[Random Orbits]

Re: New EF-S 24mm & USM Motor Coming? [CR1]

Sometimes I get jealous of my friends who shoot with Nikon. One of them bought Nikon 35mm F1.8 DX lens, and that's great. : When I see the flash SB700 (medium model) also serving as master wireless, am ashamed of the 430 EXII not do the same. When I complain of the lack of APS-C primes (here in CR) tell me that I can buy Sigma 30mm F1.4, or Canon 28mm F2.8 IS. :-[ Seriously, Sigma costing $500 without image stabilizer, and Canon costing $550 for only F2.8? :-X APS-C allows a lens 24mm (or 22mm) F2 very compact and below $300. Come on, Canon! I'm waiting.

Picked up my 28 f/2.8 IS for 350 during the last holiday season's sales from one of the NYC superstores. It's a nice lens, but not very popular.