New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]

[brad-man]

...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this. I wonder what 'pro' means? I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system. That's what 'pro' means to me...

It will no doubt have the new sensor tech (whatever that is), better weather sealing, and the 5DIII AF system. Oh yes, and a very high purchase price. That's what "pro" means to Canon

 

[Haydn1971]

A Pro APS-C camera ??? Not really thought about Neuros concept of a 1D style body, but I'm thinking a step up in AF (45 points ?) pixel count (30mpx) and low light performance in a 7DII sized body, with a lower priced clipped version, a 8D perhaps (20mpx) ? To mirror the 5D/6D duo ! That way, they could realistically drop the 60D and look at a revised line up below, moving up the 650D replacement into a 60D price with the mirrorless range filling in below - a 1000 series as mirrorless EF-S perhaps ?

A Pro APS-C would hopefully also to me a range of "L" EF-S lenses -
- Fisheye 6mm - Fixed f4.0
- Ultrawide 8-20mm f4.0
- Standard 15-45mm f2.0 < been talk of f2.0 standard for a while
- Standard 15-85mm f4.0
- Tele 45-135mm f2.8 < a 70-200mm for crop, in white perhaps ;-)
- Tele 45-135mm f4.0

 

[Lee Jay]

I really hope they don't go anywhere near a 1D style body on a 7D2 as that would be an immediate deal breaker for me.

For me as well.

 

[Otara]

An EF-S fisheye zoom? Does the Tokina 10-17mm sell that well? After years of not making any circular fisheye lenses (note there was one for the FD mount), does Canon suddenly see a market for those on both FF & APS-C? Wouldn't it compete with both the upgraded EF-S 10-22mm and the EF 8-15mm L, which serves as diagonal fisheye lens for APS-C?

Very popular underwater lens. Bit niche admittedly.

Otara

 

[2n10]

An EF-S zoom fisheye and a wider replacement to the EF-S 10-22?

My impression was the EF-S 10-22mm should be upgraded, specifically to have wider short end and maybe some IQ improvement.

An EF-S fisheye zoom? Does the Tokina 10-17mm sell that well? After years of not making any circular fisheye lenses (note there was one for the FD mount), does Canon suddenly see a market for those on both FF & APS-C? Wouldn't it compete with both the upgraded EF-S 10-22mm and the EF 8-15mm L, which serves as diagonal fisheye lens for APS-C?

My guess is the Sigma 4.5mm full fish eye has enough sales that Canon wants to compete?

I never liked the weird look of the full circle with mass vignetting...

As far as the 60D, does this means the astronomy one too?

Good question on the 60D.

 

[2n10]

...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this. I wonder what 'pro' means? I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system. That's what 'pro' means to me...

Here's hoping your definition is at least close.

 

[distant.star]

i have the 17-55 and if used carefully, dust is a really non-issue. i use mine everywhere. if canon does anything more to this lens, it will make it more expensive that it already it is...pushing it well into L territory. same goes for the 10-22 which i also have.

What does "L territory" mean?

The current EF-S 17-55 is around $1050 to $1200.

Current price for the EF135mm L is $989.

Current price for the non-IS 70-200 F/4.0L is $629.

 

[Promature]

What is the advantage of EF-S glass?

Seriously? Lighter, cheaper, and in the case of the 17-55, no FF equivalent (i.e., FF equivalent 27-88 f2.8 with IS).

 

[Promature]

...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this. I wonder what 'pro' means? I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system. That's what 'pro' means to me...

After upgrading my glass, this is where I'd like to go next. I just can't justify FF and a pro APS-C camera should be in 6D pricing territory, hopefully cheaper.

 

[Edwin Herdman]

...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this. I wonder what 'pro' means? I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system. That's what 'pro' means to me...

Given the pretty outstanding prices on the 5D III we're seeing, and the likely even lower price of the 6D, I wouldn't mind seeing a high-resolution APS-H sensor - so long as it still represents a per-area resolution increase over the 7D. It would be awkward to work with, though, so I'm sure that's not a terribly popular opinion. I'm assuming it'll just be an APS-C sensor and I'm already thinking seriously about going for whatever is released, if they can get anywhere close to the gains the 6D is showing (I'm hoping the quality increase will be at least as good as from the 5D III to the 6D, as we have every right to expect).

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the AF system - I don't think they could use the 5D's AF system because its AF points already cover over 50% of the viewfinder horizontally. It would be great though. I personally don't think they need to go all the way to 41 cross-type points, but any bump in the number of cross-type points would be welcome. I think that just adopting some of the new controls (acceleration/deceleration adjustments for tracking, for example) out of the 5D, as well as the other general type improvements, would make it a worthwhile upgrade already, though they'll work much better with a dense AF grid, of course.

 

[Marsu42]

It was also noted that the 1100D and 60D would quietly be discontinued in the first part of 2013 with no replacements being imminent.

So they do merge the lines again after the 60d/7d split - this probably means the the 7d2 sensor is such an improvement that they couldn't sell the 60d anymore anyway, nor can they drop the 60d price because the 650d is near.

 

[Loswr]

Seriously? Lighter, cheaper, and in the case of the 17-55, no FF equivalent (i.e., FF equivalent 27-88 f2.8 with IS).

Again, I chuckle. Guffaw, even. While it's true that there's no 2x-7/8x f/2.8 IS zoom for FF, the crop factor affects DoF for the same framing and FF sensors collect more total light meaning lower noise. So, the real FF equivalent of the 17-55/2.8 is a 27-88mm f/4.5 lens, meaning the 24-105mm f/4L IS on FF is wider, longer, and faster (DoF for same framing), still has IS, and is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper when bought as a FF kit lens. The >1.3-stop lower noise more than compensates for the loss of 1-stop of aperture, in terms of shutter speed. All you lose are the f/2.8 AF point(s). Don't get me wrong - I loved the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and I think it's the best general purpose zoom for APS-C, but the 24-105mm f/4L IS on FF is better spec'd and delivers better IQ than the 17-55 on APS-C.

 

[unfocused]

It was also noted that the 1100D and 60D would quietly be discontinued in the first part of 2013 with no replacements being imminent.

So they do merge the lines again after the 60d/7d split - this probably means the the 7d2 sensor is such an improvement that they couldn't sell the 60d anymore anyway, nor can they drop the 60d price because the 650d is near.

I think "merge" might not be correct. They could very well do what they did with the 7D and 60D – Introduce the 7DII and then wait 9-12 months and follow it up with a 70D. Nikon has allowed both the D300 and D7000 to languish, while they upgrade lower-level models. You are correct in that the T4i pretty much matches the 60D currently and Nikon's actions means there is no real pressure on Canon to upgrade the 60D at this time. But, I think there is still room in the lineup for a 70D and I doubt that Canon will leave what could be a $1,000 gap between the T4i and the 7DII.

 

[distant.star]

Given the pretty outstanding prices on the 5D III we're seeing, and the likely even lower price of the 6D, I wouldn't mind seeing a high-resolution APS-H sensor

I KNEW we couldn't get through this without someone saying he wants an APS-H. All I can say is that if you beat a dead horse long enough you'll get dog food!

To paraphrase George Carlin as the returned Jesus the Christ, APS-H definitely ain't comin' back.

 

[Promature]

Seriously? Lighter, cheaper, and in the case of the 17-55, no FF equivalent (i.e., FF equivalent 27-88 f2.8 with IS).

Again, I chuckle. Guffaw, even. While it's true that there's no 2x-7/8x f/2.8 IS zoom for FF, the crop factor affects DoF for the same framing and FF sensors collect more total light meaning lower noise. So, the real FF equivalent of the 17-55/2.8 is a 27-88mm f/4.5 lens, meaning the 24-105mm f/4L IS on FF is wider, longer, and faster (DoF for same framing), still has IS, and is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper when bought as a FF kit lens. The >1.3-stop lower noise more than compensates for the loss of 1-stop of aperture, in terms of shutter speed. All you lose are the f/2.8 AF point(s). Don't get me wrong - I loved the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and I think it's the best general purpose zoom for APS-C, but the 24-105mm f/4L IS on FF is better spec'd and delivers better IQ than the 17-55 on APS-C.

I was thinking more about light capture, but you bring up good points about DoF and better ISO performance for FF. Maybe my aversion to FF isn't quite justified.

 

[Loswr]

I was thinking more about light capture, but you bring up good points about DoF and better ISO performance for FF. Maybe my aversion to FF isn't quite justified.

Really, FF gives you more choices. You can choose a shallower DoF and a lot less noise, or choose the same DoF and slightly less noise, compared to APS-C. The only relevant downside to FF is the higher cost of bodies and often lenses. If you can afford it, FF is the way to go.

 

[shinjuku-thief]

i think there is no question that these upgraded lenses will be a lot more expensive.

it´s canon after all...

New things are more expensive, who'd have thunk it?

...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this. I wonder what 'pro' means? I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system. That's what 'pro' means to me...

This is interesting to me, as well.

And when it is released, I won't expect it to come at a lower pricepoint than the 6D.

 

[Loswr]

...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this. I wonder what 'pro' means? I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system. That's what 'pro' means to me...

This is interesting to me, as well.

And when it is released, I won't expect it to come at a lower pricepoint than the 6D.

If it's actually a 1-series body, I'd expect to pay $3800...and I'd cheerfully do so!

 

[AvTvM]

love my EF-S lenses. All of them. 10-22, 17-55, 60 Macro.
Don't care at all for any of the lenses rumored here.

I only want one more EF-S lens:
* EF-S 50-150/2.8 IS ...

• of course in black (!)
• size and weight like the Sigma 50-150/2.8
  • 4-stop IS and Ring-USm AF
  • rounded 9 aperture blades
    • image quality just like the 70-200/2.8 L IS II
      

 

[verysimplejason]

I was thinking more about light capture, but you bring up good points about DoF and better ISO performance for FF. Maybe my aversion to FF isn't quite justified.

Really, FF gives you more choices. You can choose a shallower DoF and a lot less noise, or choose the same DoF and slightly less noise, compared to APS-C. The only relevant downside to FF is the higher cost of bodies and often lenses. If you can afford it, FF is the way to go.

and WEIGHT (for some people...).