New Kit Lens Coming for EOS 5D Mark IV [CR2]

[Haydn1971]

24-200mm full frame lens - yes please !

Image quality of the 24-70mm f4 - hyperventilating

In a package the size and weight of a 24-70mm f4 - show me where to order !

Now, can we have the 50mm IS next please !

 

[ahsanford]

I'm not sure what the hate is for the 24-105 lens. I got that lens when I bought my 5DM3 and used it solidly for a year, which then was replaced by the 24-70 and some fast primes. It's a great all-around lens. Not the sharpest when compared to lenses costing twice as much, but still a great lens. Take a chill-pill guys. I'd gladly recommend that lens for first-time buyers looking to get any FF Canon dSLR, even the 5Dm?.

There's no hate for the 24-105 lens, but people who just ponied up $3500 for a FF rig probably aren't going to slap a 4.5x zoom on it when there are sharper options out there, that's all.

And Canon has recognized this. They've moved the 24-105L downmarket to a plasticky / STM / Non-L / variable aperture lens, and I think that was wise.

- A

 

[LDS]

For every five people that roll their eyes at a 28-300L refresh, there's one person who gets really excited about it. Because peoples' needs vary.

I'm not saying a bigger zoom range is bad - I was talking about looking for it just because "bigger is always better" and feeling diminished if your camera comes with a good 24-105/4 instead of a bad 14-600/11-32.

IMHO a 5D should be sold body only, but I understand Canon needs a kit to make it more appealing, after more sales are better, and Canon rightly doesn't care who and why buys its camera. I too was a bit surprised of the lens probably chosen for it, but Canon may have established that's what is needed. I would still be surprised if most kit buyers in this price/features range just look for a "big zoom" instead of a good lens to begin with - but one able to exploit the camera performance.

The reason may be video? There are so many prospect buyers for a basic video-oriented kit at 5D prices?

 

[slclick]

24-105L Mk2 would be welcomed. The OP said nothing of whether it was of L designation or not. Maybe a thin coat of gunk.

 

[ahsanford]

24-105L Mk2 would be welcomed. The OP said nothing of whether it was of L designation or not. Maybe a thin coat of gunk.

The only variable max aperture L lenses currently sold are (a) white, (b) run out to 300mm+ and (c) cost well over $1,000. None of that says 'kit' to me.

All UWA / WA / Standard L zooms are fixed max aperture to my knowledge. So this would be a first if the rumor is correct.

So I read variable max aperture as 'non-L' to me. Canon may surprise us, though...

- A

 

[jebrady03]

I honestly don't understand video-centric zoom lenses with variable apertures. To me, that type of lens just SCREAMS to be a fixed aperture lens.

 

[Maui5150]

Only one real Kit lens,

70-200

Almost everyone basically gets it, so why not a Kit Lens that is usable compared to one on the side

 

[ahsanford]

I honestly don't understand video-centric zoom lenses with variable apertures. To me, that type of lens just SCREAMS to be a fixed aperture lens.

It's a kit lens for *all* purposes, not just video. Some stills folks might appreciate the weight/size/cost savings a non-fixed max aperture brings.

- A

 

[slclick]

It's a CR2 so variable is variable. Could be an L. Could be a opinion, which we know some are very robust.

 

[dak723]

I think Canon understands that the vast majority (maybe 90% or more?) of folks buying the 5D IV already have numerous L lenses. They are upgrading from previous 5D versions or the 6D, so they already own the 24-70 L or 24-105 L or some other L lens. These folks will buy the body only version of the 5D IV.

So, why would someone buy the 5D with a kit lens? they might if:

It was a new lens with a wider telephoto range.
It was a lens that was much better suited for video.

So, Canon would not be stupid to offer such a kit lens. It might entice some buyers to get the kit package rather than buying the body only.

 

[NancyP]

I take it that power zoom is meant to make the zoom smooth and consistent. It sounds like a good movie lens. Not everyone who would buy a 5D4 has a convenient movie-friendly lens. Also - quality - you don't need the level of resolution for video as for stills photography. Uniformity - also good for the wide-range zoom.

Me, I am still using the 6D for stills with vintage lenses.

 

[StudentOfLight]

It makes sense to me, with dual pixel AF, a new lens that has smooth power zoom for video makers will be in demand.

Certainly, its not for everyone, but some will definitely want it.

I have not bought a DSLR with kit lens since my new 40D many years ago, and I sold that 28-135 immediately.

I have not bought a DSLR with kit lens since my 1100D (18-55mm & 75-300mm)

I quickly got the stellar 100mm non-L macro and also pre-ordered the 40mm STM. As a rsult when I borrowed my uncle's 24-105L a couple of months later I was quite underwhelmed so I decided instead to get the Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC when I went full frame. It cost about the same as the Canon FF-kit. It meant that I sacrificed the 70-105mm range but gained f/2.8. I can easily work around 105mm (take a step forward and/or crop) but I want that darn f/2.8... YMMV #nostalgia

 

[douglaurent]

All Canon EF mount lenses will be obsolete (and I write this owning 100+x EF mount lenses), if Canon wants to compete with the mirrorless A7 and future A9 series of Sony by using a new mount (or never release any pro mirrorless camera).

I bought the 1DX2, and my last DSLR I will ever buy is one 5D4 for nostalgic reasons. But working with the advantages of mirrorless cameras, I can clearly see that DSLRs are a dead system in the future with too many workflow handicaps.

I really hope that Canon does find a solution for pro large sensor camers with the existing EF mount, so all the lenses still can be used. Nobody needs a third Canon mount.

Canon also needs to understand that the relaxed, decade-long domination of the pro market together with Nikon is over and they need to react faster. Once Sony comes out with an A9 at Photokina that includes all missing features of DSLRs, there are hardly any reasons to buy more Canon products.

 

[Loswr]

I have not bought a DSLR with kit lens since my new 40D many years ago, and I sold that 28-135 immediately.

I have not bought a DSLR with kit lens since my 1100D (18-55mm & 75-300mm)

My only dSLR kit lens was the 24-105/4L bought with a 5DII. My first dSLR was a T1i, and I bought the 17-55/2.8 with it.

 

[scyrene]

All Canon EF mount lenses will be obsolete (and I write this owning 100+x EF mount lenses), if Canon wants to compete with the mirrorless A7 and future A9 series of Sony by using a new mount (or never release any pro mirrorless camera).

I bought the 1DX2, and my last DSLR I will ever buy is one 5D4 for nostalgic reasons. But working with the advantages of mirrorless cameras, I can clearly see that DSLRs are a dead system in the future with too many workflow handicaps.

I really hope that Canon does find a solution for pro large sensor camers with the existing EF mount, so all the lenses still can be used. Nobody needs a third Canon mount.

Canon also needs to understand that the relaxed, decade-long domination of the pro market together with Nikon is over and they need to react faster. Once Sony comes out with an A9 at Photokina that includes all missing features of DSLRs, there are hardly any reasons to buy more Canon products.

Yawn.

 

[aceflibble]

The existing 24-105 f/4L was marked as discontinued in a few UK stores, last year. Could be it was just a temporary halt to production, maybe it means that version isn't being made any more and all stock since has been the last of the line?
It makes sense to get a new kit lens out, because the existing 24-105 is beaten by Sigma's version in every regard, and it really doesn't hold up well on neweer 5D cameras. It was a great lens when it came along with the first 5D, but that was a 12.5mp sensor; the larger sensors have later cameras have always shown up the 24-105's weakness. Given how much better top-end 'kit lenses' have become for other manufacturers—take a look at the Fuji 18-55, for instance—it is about time Canon caught up with a better kit lens for their higher-end bodies.

 

[wsmith96]

There's no hate for the 24-105 lens, but people who just ponied up $3500 for a FF rig probably aren't going to slap a 4.5x zoom on it when there are sharper options out there, that's all.

And Canon has recognized this. They've moved the 24-105L downmarket to a plasticky / STM / Non-L / variable aperture lens, and I think that was wise.

- A

Perhaps the new lens is actually meant for the rumored 6D II?

 

[Don Haines]

I wondered why the 5D3 did not come in a kit with the 24-70F2.8..... Now that would be a great kit lens

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

The Nano-USM in the 18-135mm was very impressive; the optics? Not so much. I would hope that a full frame lens would have a little more attention to optical upgrades, but the Nano USM is the real deal - a fantastic bridge between USM and STM. Still not crazy about MF by wire, but it does work better than the STM versions.

 

[gsealy]

To me, a kit lens is oriented to the first time buyer of the full frame 5Dx camera. The buyer needs to have something to shoot pictures with. So therefore, it seems to me that it should be a lens that is able to be used in a wide variety of situations. The 18-135mm range is not too bad. But I would think it could even be expanded a bit to 18-200mm. Now the purchaser can shoot landscapes, as well as zoom into capture wildlife, and so on. They can do portraits too. After the initial purchase, then the buyer is likely to do what everybody does: improve the quality of the lens they have by purchasing more lenses. This what we do. You can't help it once you are hooked.