NEW - Sony FF mirrorless cameras + new lenses to support

[AvTvM]

It looks good to me. The most important thing now is body size. I have a feeling it's slightly bigger than RX1.

of course it will be slightly larger than a RX-1 body. The A7/R have a NEX-grip glued on up front and a Oly OMD-1 pyramidal hump on top.
But it is smaller than a Leica M. And no mechanical "Messy-Sucher". And cost is only a third.

Here is an image comparison between the A7 and Leica M made by Vaclav (Thanks!). It’s a photoshop work and the A7 carries the Zeiss 50mm f/2.0 ZM lens

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/short-news-secret-code-to-save-25-on-the-a7-a7r-sigma-announces-24-105mm-a-mount-lens/

 

[Dylan777]

It looks good to me. The most important thing now is body size. I have a feeling it's slightly bigger than RX1.

of course it will be slightly larger than a RX-1 body. The A7/R have a NEX-grip glued on up front and a Oly OMD-1 pyramidal hump on top.
But it is smaller than a Leica M. And no mechanical "Messy-Sucher". And cost is only a third.

Here is an image comparison between the A7 and Leica M made by Vaclav (Thanks!). It’s a photoshop work and the A7 carries the Zeiss 50mm f/2.0 ZM lens

I just saw this and this is why I want one NOW. I will pre-order it with 50mm f1.8: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/the-a7-vs-leica-m9-vs-canon-5d-size-comaprison-by-vaclav-mach/

 

[JohnnyT]

Dylan777 writes: Have you ever shoot with RX1?
No, and it is not an interchangeable lens camera, whats your point?

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"Here is an image comparison between the A7 and Leica M made by Vaclav (Thanks!). It’s a photoshop work and the A7 carries the Zeiss 50mm f/2.0 ZM lens

I'm liking the looks of that comparison, where are the long lenses?

 

[Dylan777]

Dylan777 writes: Have you ever shoot with RX1?
No, and it is not an interchangeable lens camera, whats your point?

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"Here is an image comparison between the A7 and Leica M made by Vaclav (Thanks!). It’s a photoshop work and the A7 carries the Zeiss 50mm f/2.0 ZM lens

I'm liking the looks of that comparison, where are the long lenses?

My point is.... there is [size=24pt]35mm sensor built in[/size] tiny chassis.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Let's talk honestly. To be small, you need a lens also small. This leads us to two options: ??? Lenses truly small (and very limited) like 40mm pancake, or F4-5.6 zoom... :-[ I'm not excited about either option. I imagine that the scarce supply of compatible lenses is a problem that will not be solved in less than two years. Yet it seems that Sony NEX has the best balance between size and image quality.

 

[Don Haines]

The problem with Sony has been poor customer support to a extreme. A 2-3 month turnaround for repairs is not something I'd ever buy into. Then, they have also dropped support entirely for items that didn't sell well, even entire product lines. This hasn't happened yet with mirrorless cameras, but I don't recall seeing any new ff lenses since they dropped ff DSLR bodies. Owners are possibly never going to see upgrades. I guess buying a throw away P&S camera is fine, but spending large amounts on a system that they will drop at the tip of the hat does not appeal to me.

+1000000000000000

As a past user of the Olympus 4/3 cameras (4/3, not micro 4/3), I have been stung by having bought into a dead-end system..... With no warning the system ended.... no more new bodies, no more lenses, nothing said by Olympus.... just silence... This is why I would only consider Canon or Nikon as a system now... and I went with Canon because of the glass...

 

[Promature]

What interests me more is the RX10.
"RX10:
- 1 inch sensor camera
- fixed 24-200mm f/2.8 constant aperture lens
- $1298"

 

[tnargs]

As a past user of the Olympus 4/3 cameras (4/3, not micro 4/3), I have been stung by having bought into a dead-end system..... With no warning the system ended.... no more new bodies, no more lenses, nothing said by Olympus.... just silence... This is why I would only consider Canon or Nikon as a system now... and I went with Canon because of the glass...

Don't count your chickens. I was a heavy Canon FD user the day they walked away and stranded me, with not so much as an adapter. Olympus treated you better than that.

 

[Don Haines]

As a past user of the Olympus 4/3 cameras (4/3, not micro 4/3), I have been stung by having bought into a dead-end system..... With no warning the system ended.... no more new bodies, no more lenses, nothing said by Olympus.... just silence... This is why I would only consider Canon or Nikon as a system now... and I went with Canon because of the glass...

Don't count your chickens. I was a heavy Canon FD user the day they walked away and stranded me, with not so much as an adapter. Olympus treated you better than that.
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The FD mount dates back to before camera electronics and had no way to accommodate autofocus. In 1987 they introduced the Electro-Focus mount (EF) and incorporated into it the electrical signals and power feeds required in the "digital age" of photography. At this point in time they p****d off a lot of users, but unfortunately for them, the world was changing from manual lenses to electronic lenses... the market for manual lenses was dropping like a stone and the electronic lens market was the future.

To continue on, the decision was made to design the new lens system (EF) rather than trying to modify the old system (FD), with a view on long term needs. Since the flange distances were similar, this meant that the only possible adaptors would involve optical elements.... A few very expensive lenses were shipped back to Canon to be modified for the new mount, but for most lenses the cost of modifications would have been worth more than the lens, so most lenses became orphans.

As well, part of the transition from one mount to the other seems to have involved upgrading the optical qualities of the lenses.... For instance, I have an FD mount 800F5.6 lens at work and I am positive that my 70-200 zoom lens plus tele-converter out-resolves it....

The next "revolution" to be expected in Canon-land is mirrorless.... when that happens, flange distances will decrease further and we can expect the EF mount to slowly die out as less and less cameras are made to use the mount. There will probably be a FF version of the EF-M mount that emerges at that time.... and similar to with the EF-M mount, there will probably be an EF to EF-FFmirrorless mount adaptor. I would expect the same thing to happen in Nikon-land as well.... but the ease of making a mechanical adaptor for either system will save all the old lenses this time.

 

[tnargs]

It would be interesting to know, of those here who are saying they would buy the new Sony....

[1] Would it be a supplementary camera, or your main camera?

[2] If it would be your main camera, what system would you be moving from? FF DSLR? APS_C DSLR? Smaller mirrorless?

 

[Pi]

My thought is, I have one full frame body, and multiple wonderfull L lenses whose mass equal 2 or 3 time that of my fullframe body.
I'd love to carry them all, but oh my aching back!
For a travel kit I'd like lighter lesses of equal quality to my L glass, as well as the lighter body.
Also smaller lenses typically cost less, less glass, less metal, hence less mass.

They can be smaller only when wide (no retrofocal), and their wide lenses are really smaller. At longer FL's and same fast apertures, the only ting you might be missing is the AF, which is hardly a plus.

Still, that looks like a very interesting camera.

 

[CharlieB]

Jeeze ...

Anyone who says FF lenses are big... has not been around the rangefinder lenses. You can get TINY 21mm, 24mm, 28mm.... even 35 and 50mm lenses. Once you get to about 75mm... they grow a little, but are still tiny compared to SLR lenses. The 90mm Summicron ApoAsph (arguably one of the sharpest lenses ever produced) is about the same size (more or less) as the SLR counterpart 85/1.8. It weights a bunch more though, and is priced about... ten times more (more or less).

I was sitting at work today, lamenting the vastness of my Leica M bodies and lenses (snobbery), but... I just cannot justify an M9. If there is a good FF body that I can use... and it can be fit with Leica M lenses via flange adapter, I'd get it. If not... I can see the lenses and bodies going to a dealer in NY, in trade for something expensive in Canon land.

 

[9VIII]

New here, been lurking.
So I guess I just dont get the full frame mirrorless excitment!
My thought is small mirrorless body, APS-C sensor, small light weight lenses, decent lens speed.
Full Frame sensor means fast lenses are BIG lenses! Not really conducive for light weight travel kits.
Enjoying my full frame 6D and multiple L lenses, but they are heavy!

Actually it ends up with the crop sensor being worse pretty much everywhere. If you put a 50f1.4 on crop, it's still going to collect light a little worse than an 85f2 on full frame, and they end up almost the same size. Then consider that the 85mm lens at f2 is going to be way sharper, and then consider that the full frame sensor inherently collects more detail. Crop sensors are generally just a lose lose situation, except if you can't afford full frame.
The advantage of crop sensors is they're cheap, the same sort of advantages that work in favor of full frame for light gathering actually work against it in manufacturing.

 

[EchoLocation]

Dylan, I knew you'd be excited about this thing!
I have been waiting for this camera for years!!!(probably since the M9 was first announced.)
Unless something crazy happens to dissuade me, i'm almost definitely going to preorder whichever one has better AF. I'm thinking the A7 is better for me as the PDAF should(my thinking, am i right?) be better than the A7r. I'm also more inclined to 24mp instead of 36, and with the A9 probably coming next year, i'm happy to buy the cheaper one now, and then get the true top of the line in a year or so.
I'm thinking of buying the Sony Zeiss 24mm F2 lens. I'm having a hard time figuring out which lenses will have AF functionality.
Dylan and Gino, and others buying this camera, what lenses will you use? will you buy any of the new lenses to use with it?
I'm in China, but i'm in the process of selling my D700, and 24-70. I love love love this camera and lens, but it is just wayyyy to heavy! i'm very excited to have an EOS-M and the Sony A7!!!!
This is also a great return to my Minolta roots. i started out in my high school photography class using an old Minolta, and I am very excited to go back to something small and simple instead of these crazy monster DSLR's that everyone is so in to nowadays. I'm sick of having a heavy backpack and sore shoulders!

 

[scott]

Please join us for a very special announcement.

is it ok to post this

 

[Dylan777]

It would be interesting to know, of those here who are saying they would buy the new Sony....

[1] Would it be a supplementary camera, or your main camera?

[2] If it would be your main camera, what system would you be moving from? FF DSLR? APS_C DSLR? Smaller mirrorless?

For me, it will be everyday and landscape camera(assuming Sony will release some UWA soon)

 

[Dylan777]

Dylan, I knew you'd be excited about this thing!
I have been waiting for this camera for years!!!(probably since the M9 was first announced.)
Unless something crazy happens to dissuade me, i'm almost definitely going to preorder whichever one has better AF. I'm thinking the A7 is better for me as the PDAF should(my thinking, am i right?) be better than the A7r. I'm also more inclined to 24mp instead of 36, and with the A9 probably coming next year, i'm happy to buy the cheaper one now, and then get the true top of the line in a year or so.
I'm thinking of buying the Sony Zeiss 24mm F2 lens. I'm having a hard time figuring out which lenses will have AF functionality.
Dylan and Gino, and others buying this camera, what lenses will you use? will you buy any of the new lenses to use with it?
I'm in China, but i'm in the process of selling my D700, and 24-70. I love love love this camera and lens, but it is just wayyyy to heavy! i'm very excited to have an EOS-M and the Sony A7!!!!
This is also a great return to my Minolta roots. i started out in my high school photography class using an old Minolta, and I am very excited to go back to something small and simple instead of these crazy monster DSLR's that everyone is so in to nowadays. I'm sick of having a heavy backpack and sore shoulders!

Will start with Sony 50mm f1.8. I'm not big fan of 3rd party, manual focus lenses.

I like to add these:
1. 14, 16 or 17mm for landscape
2. 85mm for portrait

If you look at my signature below, I might end up with just 5D III + 70-200 for shooting moving subject. Will see what Sony has to offer in lenses first.

Don't get me wrong, I love my 50L, 85L II, 135L, 24-70 II and 70-200 f2.8 IS II. With 2 kids, it just too big to carry around for me. We have annual pass to Disneyland(in Anaheim, CA), my wife and I usually take RX1 and/or Fuji x100s with us. Both of my 5D III and L lenses are stay home. I feel it a waste...

However, when my 5yrs plays soccer, swiming and ballet the 5D III + 70-200 and 135L is killer combo.

 

[RLPhoto]

I won't be buying into another system. It's use would be limited to me if I can't use my 600rts or the stack of canon glass I already have. Too bad canon isn't as daring as it used to be.

 

[Dylan777]

I won't be buying into another system. It's use would be limited to me if I can't use my 600rts or the stack of canon glass I already have. Too bad canon isn't as daring as it used to be.

I can't afford 600rts, therefore, I'm going FF + fast primes ;D

I started with 40D + 50 f1.4, 17-55 and 550EX flash. My taste has changed.

 

[AvTvM]

It would be interesting to know, of those here who are saying they would buy the new Sony....
[1] Would it be a supplementary camera, or your main camera?
[2] If it would be your main camera, what system would you be moving from? FF DSLR? APS_C DSLR? Smaller mirrorless?

1) a mirrorless FF-sensor system camera like the Sony A7/R will be my only camera (other than smartphone)
2) Currently Canon 7D + all good EF-S lenses and a few good EF-lenses and a few speedlites. Will definitely have been my last DSLR system and my last APS-C camera.
Like the new Sony A7/R (as per rumored specs), but don't like Sony at all.

For my photography as amateur/enthusiast I need only one camera system at a time and I don't want to buy, own, store, insure, carry, learn and use more than one camera system in parallel.

Looking for a small light photographically fully capable FF-sensored mirrorless camera and a small set of "AF-only" lenses. [no manual focus ring, no manual focus gear, no distance window, but weathersealed @ IP67].

Ideally a 24-70/85 f/4.0 IS for street/city/events/general purpose/walkaround, a 20mm/4.0 pancake mainly for landscape/city/architecture, a minimalist pancake 40mm/2.0 for street/people @normal angle, a 85/2.0 pancake for studio/portraits/concerts and a very compact and light tele lens for travel, say a 200mm/4.0 plus 1.4x teleconverter. Plus wireless ETTL flash trigger built into camera and 2 slave speedlites. Entire system for less than the price of a Leica M240 with 50/2.0. That's it.

Since I am most familiar with Canon's UI and prefer it over any other I've touched so far, I am still hoping for Canon to put 5D Mk. IV innards sans mirrorbox and prism into a Sony A7/R-sized body. Plus above mentioned lenses. If such a package comes at reasonable price before my 7D dies or I get too sick and tired of waiting, I'm in. Otherwise I'll buy elsewhere whatever comes closest to my shopping list.

If I had to buy tomorrow, it would be the A7R (preferred) or A7 ... depending on AF performance ... plus 24-70/4 plus EF-adapter.