Nikon D600 announced - $2100, let's see how Canon response!!!

[Loswr]

Personally, I'll never buy a camera that lacks AFMA. Now, I'm not going to buy one, but the D600 does have AFMA. If Canon omit that from an entry-level FF body (as the omitted it from the 60D, despite having it in the 50D), that will be a serious error, IMO.

I don't think the D600 has AFMA which is what will keep me from buying it.
Diane

I think you don't think so because you read DPR too much. : If that's the only thing stopping you...you should go ahead and order your D600. It does have AFMA, just read the specs as listed by Nikon.

 

[simonxu11]

Personally, I'll never buy a camera that lacks AFMA. Now, I'm not going to buy one, but the D600 does have AFMA. If Canon omit that from an entry-level FF body (as the omitted it from the 60D, despite having it in the 50D), that will be a serious error, IMO.

I don't think the D600 has AFMA which is what will keep me from buying it. And if Canon does not put that feature in it's rumored 6D, then I won't be buying it either.
Diane

It does have AFMF or "Fine tuning" is called by Nikon

"Nikon Multi-CAM 4800 autofocus sensor module with TTL phase detection, fine-tuning"
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/spec.htm

 

[bbasiaga]

Its funny the features that everyone considers 'necessary' or a body is 'DOA'. There would have to be 1,000 versions of each model to make everyone happy. Or everyone would have to buy a 1Dx/Nikon Equivalent.

A little lesson on how screwed up econonomics are: someone said 'electronics are supposed to get cheaper...' well, they do - but that doesn't mean the price has to go down. Inflation is generally calculated on how much it costs to get what you paid for yester-year, in today's dollars. Only, you can't get a new 1DII anymore, so they compare it to the next thing - say the 1DX. Its more? Yes, but it offers more features. So they determine the relative value, and guess what, its only really 2% more, or in some cases its less. Buy a car in 1990? A nice Lexus for $20k? That same one costs $40k now? But wait...look at all those safety systems, bells, whistles, buzzers, and knick knaks the '90 model didn't have. Lo and behold, the new one is actually the same price - from an inflationary/technological stanpoint. That is how the calculation works. Its how stuff is 50% more expensive now, but inflation has been 'very low' for a 'long time'. Its also why food isn't included in inflationary costs. Your potato today has no technological advantage over the one from 20yrs ago, but its still twice as expensive. What would the world's governments have to do about that if that was part of inflation?

So companies think that way. They don't want to provide better prices, they want to provide better value for the price. And that can occur at a higher price point as long as the 'value' allows it to. That is exactly what happened with the 5DIII. It has a LOT more features than the II. And therefore a lot more Value. So it is 'fairly priced' in the eye of the seller. Its up to us to validate the value calculation buy either buying or not buying the stuff.

-Brian

 

[DianeK]

It does have AFMF or "Fine tuning" is called by Nikon

"Nikon Multi-CAM 4800 autofocus sensor module with TTL phase detection, fine-tuning"
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/spec.htm

I stand corrected, and gladly...this camera has now become more desirable to me as I am not that invested in Canon glass that I couldn't switch.
Diane

 

[DianeK]

I think you don't think so because you read DPR too much. :

Busted

 

[hyles]

I think it is nearly impossible to compare price of 5DIII and d800. beside the cost of producing the camera, there are many othere causes we don't even know about to bring up cost.
Least but not last, d800 has a newly developed sensor, with AF and meccanical part allready used in d3, d700, d3x, d4, . 5DIII is a completly new camera, with a new sensor, new AF, new body. This may be one of the reason of a higher price for the camera.
Diego

 

[marinien]

I think you don't think so because you read DPR too much. :

Busted

Thanks neuro! I was the first in this thread who talked about no AFMA with the D600 :-[

 

[theqspeaks]

I, personally, will give Canon about a year to release a budget FF because am invested in the system. I don't need an FF that can track a fly flying towards me, a frame rate fast enough to capture a balloon exploding, or weather sealing tight enough I can take the camera diving. I do want better AF than a Rebel/60D (the 7D AF would do), AFMA, 5 FPS would be plenty, and a significant improvement in IQ over what any of those cameras can deliver. Better noise control at higher ISO levels (at least clean images @ 3200... please?) would be greatly appreciated. I will gladly pay two grand for such camera and promise to eventually buy a 24-70 MKII and whatever will replace the 430EXII.
Deal Canon?

Ditto!
Diane

Ditto ditto!
Q

 

[Musouka]

While it's talking about the iPhone 5, I think it somehow applies to Canon as well.

If you think the iPhone 5 is boring, I've got bad news for you. The iPhone 6 will be, too. And the iPhone 7, and every iPhone after that. Minor aesthetic variations on the same well-loved theme. They'll also, in all likelihood, be fantastic.

The only thing that will change the iPhone's design is a dramatic decline in iPhone market share, but that doesn't seem in the offing. Not any time soon, anyway. It takes years to slow down a juggernaut.

So get comfortable with your boring iPhone and your boring iPad and your boring MacBook Air. They're that way because they have to be. Because we want them to be. Because it's the only way that makes sense.

The Worst Thing About the iPhone 5 Is Also the Most Brilliant

 

[simonxu11]

I think it is nearly impossible to compare price of 5DIII and d800. beside the cost of producing the camera, there are many othere causes we don't even know about to bring up cost.
Least but not last, d800 has a newly developed sensor, with AF and meccanical part allready used in d3, d700, d3x, d4, . 5DIII is a completly new camera, with a new sensor, new AF, new body. This may be one of the reason of a higher price for the camera.
Diego

d800 has a new sensor, new body, updated af and metering used in d4, shutter life @20,0000
5d3 has a new sensor(maybe updated), new body, new af from 1dx, metering from 1100d, shutter life @15,0000

 

[FunkyCamera]

Half plastic, overpriced, usual Nikon poor image quality, very inaccurate autofocus... don't know why they even bothered. Pointless gimmick camera. Bit I guess they'll just bribe dxo to give it 10x the score it deserves again.

 

[Zlatko]

At the end of the day, Canon will Milk their customers because they have good glass... people are bought into a system. The 5d3 was overpriced for this reason, and they got away with it... but many people are peed off that a similar costing body, costs 500-700 less. Had the 5d3 have similar DR and low ISO noise performance as the D800, it would have been a different story.

You're quite mistaken. The 5D3 is a nearly perfect blend of pro camera (1DX, 1DsIII, 1DIV) and small camera (5D2, 7D) in performance, features and size. There are a number of ways in which the 5D3 is perfectly suited to my work and the D800 isn't (quiet shutter mode, variable file sizes, high ISO performance, autofocus performance, radio-controlled flash system, etc.). The D800 doesn't meet my needs as well. I've heard the same sentiments from other pros — they felt that Canon had really listened to their needs with the 5D3 and Nikon really hadn't with the D800. (Of course, a landscape photographer has different needs and may be happier with the D800).

Rather than "getting away with it [higher pricing]" or "milking" their customers, Canon have delivered exactly what some photographers need at the 5D3's price level. This idea of deviously "milking" customers with "overpriced" gear is unfounded in an age when customers have very good alternatives and can switch brands without a big financial loss.

 

[K-amps]

At the end of the day, Canon will Milk their customers because they have good glass... people are bought into a system. The 5d3 was overpriced for this reason, and they got away with it... but many people are peed off that a similar costing body, costs 500-700 less. Had the 5d3 have similar DR and low ISO noise performance as the D800, it would have been a different story.

You're quite mistaken. The 5D3 is a nearly perfect blend of pro camera (1DX, 1DsIII, 1DIV) and small camera (5D2, 7D) in performance, features and size. There are a number of ways in which the 5D3 is perfectly suited to my work and the D800 isn't (quiet shutter mode, variable file sizes, high ISO performance, autofocus performance, radio-controlled flash system, etc.). The D800 doesn't meet my needs as well. I've heard the same sentiments from other pros — they felt that Canon had really listened to their needs with the 5D3 and Nikon really hadn't with the D800. (Of course, a landscape photographer has different needs and may be happier with the D800).

Rather than "getting away with it [higher pricing]" or "milking" their customers, Canon have delivered exactly what some photographers need at the 5D3's price level. This idea of deviously "milking" customers with "overpriced" gear is unfounded in an age when customers have very good alternatives and can switch brands without a big financial loss.

Looks like you are carrying a peeve from our disagreement on the 24-70 thread.

No one said that the 5D3 was not a good blend/ all round camera, I own one myself. But I still think they Milked me and you.

 

[vlim]

D600 = 1975€ in paris

We can already pre order it

 

[EYEONE]

At the end of the day, Canon will Milk their customers because they have good glass... people are bought into a system. The 5d3 was overpriced for this reason, and they got away with it... but many people are peed off that a similar costing body, costs 500-700 less. Had the 5d3 have similar DR and low ISO noise performance as the D800, it would have been a different story.

You're quite mistaken. The 5D3 is a nearly perfect blend of pro camera (1DX, 1DsIII, 1DIV) and small camera (5D2, 7D) in performance, features and size. There are a number of ways in which the 5D3 is perfectly suited to my work and the D800 isn't (quiet shutter mode, variable file sizes, high ISO performance, autofocus performance, radio-controlled flash system, etc.). The D800 doesn't meet my needs as well. I've heard the same sentiments from other pros — they felt that Canon had really listened to their needs with the 5D3 and Nikon really hadn't with the D800. (Of course, a landscape photographer has different needs and may be happier with the D800).

Rather than "getting away with it [higher pricing]" or "milking" their customers, Canon have delivered exactly what some photographers need at the 5D3's price level. This idea of deviously "milking" customers with "overpriced" gear is unfounded in an age when customers have very good alternatives and can switch brands without a big financial loss.

Looks like you are carrying a peeve from our disagreement on the 24-70 thread.

No one said that the 5D3 was not a good blend/ all round camera, I own one myself. But I still think they Milked me and you.

It's true. The 5D3 is amazing and priced too high. We should probably be more upset about it than we are.

I would have expected Nikon to to better than $2100. I think Canon could actually undercut Nikon here. Basically release a 5D2 with an expanded 7D AF system for $1,999, alone that would be enough.

 

[ashmadux]

Wow, $2,100 and Nikon doesn't even give you a full metal body? I hope Canon isn't so cheap with the magnesium alloy. You can get the 7D for $1200 and the body is a tank. Hopefully the 6D will be the same. :-\

7D, built like a tank, but rebel-like IQ. Even 650D is better.

Nope, im shooting fashion week with a 'rebel' t2i- this rebel iq whoops 7d booty. Disclaimer- using the t2i because of image quality, and 7d is being retired, ready for trade in. Noisy POS.

 

[Loswr]

Nope, im shooting fashion week with a 'rebel' t2i- this rebel iq whoops 7d booty. Disclaimer- using the t2i because of image quality, and 7d is being retired, ready for trade in. Noisy POS.

The T2i and 7D use the same CMOS image sensor...but you're claiming the T2i has substantially better IQ? That's like buying two bottles of Guinness Extra Stout from different liquor stores and claiming one tastes much better...I suppose it's possible - but if so, it's clearly subjective and most likely due to having smoked something first...

 

[EYEONE]

Wow, $2,100 and Nikon doesn't even give you a full metal body? I hope Canon isn't so cheap with the magnesium alloy. You can get the 7D for $1200 and the body is a tank. Hopefully the 6D will be the same. :-\

7D, built like a tank, but rebel-like IQ. Even 650D is better.

Nope, im shooting fashion week with a 'rebel' t2i- this rebel iq whoops 7d booty. Disclaimer- using the t2i because of image quality, and 7d is being retired, ready for trade in. Noisy POS.

They have the exact same sensor. It's not really possible for them to have different IQ

 

[Helevitia]

At the end of the day, Canon will Milk their customers because they have good glass... people are bought into a system. The 5d3 was overpriced for this reason, and they got away with it... but many people are peed off that a similar costing body, costs 500-700 less. Had the 5d3 have similar DR and low ISO noise performance as the D800, it would have been a different story.

You're quite mistaken. The 5D3 is a nearly perfect blend of pro camera (1DX, 1DsIII, 1DIV) and small camera (5D2, 7D) in performance, features and size. There are a number of ways in which the 5D3 is perfectly suited to my work and the D800 isn't (quiet shutter mode, variable file sizes, high ISO performance, autofocus performance, radio-controlled flash system, etc.). The D800 doesn't meet my needs as well. I've heard the same sentiments from other pros — they felt that Canon had really listened to their needs with the 5D3 and Nikon really hadn't with the D800. (Of course, a landscape photographer has different needs and may be happier with the D800).

Rather than "getting away with it [higher pricing]" or "milking" their customers, Canon have delivered exactly what some photographers need at the 5D3's price level. This idea of deviously "milking" customers with "overpriced" gear is unfounded in an age when customers have very good alternatives and can switch brands without a big financial loss.

Looks like you are carrying a peeve from our disagreement on the 24-70 thread.

No one said that the 5D3 was not a good blend/ all round camera, I own one myself. But I still think they Milked me and you.

It's true. The 5D3 is amazing and priced too high. We should probably be more upset about it than we are.

I would have expected Nikon to to better than $2100. I think Canon could actually undercut Nikon here. Basically release a 5D2 with an expanded 7D AF system for $1,999, alone that would be enough.

I would buy that if the sensor and ISO noise were on par with the MK2 or better. I love my 7D minus the ISO noise. Basically I want the D600 with a Canon label on it. The 1/4000 is kind of a bummer, but not a deal breaker. I would also like to see usb 3. So my perfect Canon Camera would be FF sensor, 6-7fps, built-in flash, 1/8000, usb 3, better ISO noise than the 7D, great AF system. If Canon can do that, I will be a first day buyer.

The current rumored specs have me concerned. I really want a built-in flash. I bought the 7D in May, assuming Canon would come out with an entry level FF DSLR by the end of the year. I planned on selling my 7D and upgrading to the new camera, so I hope I made the right decision. I guess we will know more next week? On the bright side(for me), I got my 7D for $1250, so I think I could get most of my money back. The only lens I have is the 70-200 IS USM II. If Canon doesn't come out with a competitor to the D600, I might consider selling all equipment and switching. I'll wait for reviews before making that choice.

 

[EYEONE]

I would buy that if the sensor and ISO noise were on par with the MK2 or better. I love my 7D minus the ISO noise. Basically I want the D600 with a Canon label on it. The 1/4000 is kind of a bummer, but not a deal breaker. I would also like to see usb 3. So my perfect Canon Camera would be FF sensor, 6-7fps, built-in flash, 1/8000, usb 3, better ISO noise than the 7D, great AF system. If Canon can do that, I will be a first day buyer.

The current rumored specs have me concerned. I really want a built-in flash. I bought the 7D in May, assuming Canon would come out with an entry level FF DSLR by the end of the year. I planned on selling my 7D and upgrading to the new camera, so I hope I made the right decision. I guess we will know more next week? On the bright side(for me), I got my 7D for $1250, so I think I could get most of my money back. The only lens I have is the 70-200 IS USM II. If Canon doesn't come out with a competitor to the D600, I might consider selling all equipment and switching. I'll wait for reviews before making that choice.

I think the 6D has to have a pop up flash. It won't, but it should. The only use a pop up flash is to me is for controlling other external flashes. To me that's a huge deal.